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Posted: 8/3/2005 8:02:36 PM EDT
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<This isn't GD and it isn't the Bear Pit. Please keep conversation here serious and respectful. --tbk1>
As below: the first part was a joke. It was not ment to be insulting to anyone. If that was out of line, I apologize. I do, however, stand by my statement that I do not have a holy book. My beliefs do not need a holy book of any form. If this is truely going to be a religion forum, open for all discussion about religion, then it should not be a "christians only" forum, which is what it rapidly appears to be becoming -- if its going to be a "christians only" forum, please change the forum title to such, so those of us who are non-christian know we're not welcome. |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 8:09:01 PM EDT
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 I didn't know a book title could be flippant or disrespectful.
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Posted: 8/3/2005 10:31:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/3/2005 10:45:54 PM EDT
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I rather like James in the King James Version
though Moses and 1 Nephi also hold dear parts of my heart and I have read all the other books (re-reading the OT now) it is just hard to read them all without losing the information and gospel they contain |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 11:02:26 PM EDT
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When I was 19 years old I read the "Authorized or King James "Version" of the Old and New Testaments, "translated" out of "original tongues" and with all "former translations" diligently "compared" and "revised", Red Letter "Edition" cover to cover. It included a pictorial pronunciation dictionary and other interesting instructional features. Some of the books in the Old Testament were hard to get through because they are nothing more than seemingly endless documentation of people begating other people, mulitple wives and concubines tracing the lineage of Abraham but I was resolved to read every word and I did. Since then I have read some better stuff. |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 11:09:49 PM EDT
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I read them at least once a year, not coutning random scripture reading. I do not have a red letter edition of the KJV, though at soem point I would not mind reading it. I have a red letter New International Version that I have strictly for bible studies ****Edited****<va-gunnut> I have been doing this since I was 19, so this year is my eigth year doing so, I do read things other than scripture though, in case people might think I spend all my time reading scripture. |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 11:13:37 PM EDT
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That's not very nice or respectful is it? |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 11:56:28 PM EDT
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 and no, that's not a joke, it actually sits inside a handmade dust jacket with Holy Bible inscribed on the front. Used to read it a lot in school, knew better than to take it as was. If I have anything approaching a religion it is the study of rifles. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 12:03:41 AM EDT
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Easy there or you may get one of these: <This isn't GD and it isn't the Bear Pit. Please keep conversation here serious and respectful. --tbk1> All I did was post the name of the book "The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin" so I'm not sure if "The Book of Rifles by W. H. B. Smith and Joseph E. Smith" will be classified as "not serious or dis-repectful". I guess it's all subject to interpretation......... |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 12:29:53 AM EDT
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I'm not the one who needs cautioning sysop/sysadmin.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 3:25:03 AM EDT
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I'm going to ask that everyone remember the rules in here. I'm sure most of you already know it.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:07:32 AM EDT
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Kang James here but I've notied very many churches moving to NIV or others.
Every time this happens the text gets further from the original. The "dumbing down" of the Bible in my opinon. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:08:49 AM EDT
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First my comment about it being arfcom was called a joke. If that was out of line, sorry.
Seriously, I don't have one. Why is that not a valid answer? |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:13:54 AM EDT
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This is a technical forum. It is a place for serious discussion--not jokes, sarcasm, or other banter which would be fine in GD. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:15:04 AM EDT
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Ok, fine. Jokes = bad. Understood. Why remove my comment about not having a holy book? Edit to add a cut'n'paste from above: I do, however, stand by my statement that I do not have a holy book. My beliefs do not need a holy book of any form. If this is truely going to be a religion forum, open for all discussion about religion, then it should not be a "christians only" forum, which is what it rapidly appears to be becoming -- if its going to be a "christians only" forum, please change the forum title to such, so those of us who are non-christian know we're not welcome. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:21:32 AM EDT
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Unitarian Universalism doesn't have a specific holy book, we probably read from the Bible more than most (especially the prophetic books of the Old Testament) but I have attended services where readings from the Koran and the Bhagavad Ghita were used.
We don't see any holy book as being infallible or the only source of Truth. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:54:13 AM EDT
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I had not heard of UU (is that what you'd call it? I mean no disrespect) until you started posting here. Could you start a thread maybe with one or 2 paragraphs that explain in your words what UU's doctrine is? I know I could Google it but I'd rather hear it from someone that is just attempting to explain it, not to sell it. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:11:34 AM EDT
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Is this really so difficult?  We have a forum for "religious discussion." Within that forum we have a thread author who asks:
. . . and the first sentence of his thread is:
Now, in keeping with the <adamantly expected> spirit of serious discourse only here, we expect to not see posts such as, "I don't believe in such myths" or "I don't have a holy book." If someone does not have a "holy book" then this thread needs no response, as it doesn't apply to that individual. Is it so very difficult for some of you to just STFU from time to time? We hope for this thread to not be trolled, or soiled with bullshit, but assistance will gladly be provided as needed. Any non-Christian who wishes to have a "I don't believe in God" discussion is free to do so, to whatever degree Believers wish to argue/discuss--but interjecting atheistic comments into other discussion will not be tolerated. Start your own thread. If someone goes into the AR10 forum to interject bullshit into every thread about how they think the AR10 is crap/worthless/overpriced/unreliable (or whatever they think) then it is looked upon as trolling and dealt with. Same here. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:15:37 AM EDT
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deleted - was off topic.
sorry. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:21:57 AM EDT
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edited by me as it was already answered.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:23:43 AM EDT
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This is a firearms-related site, and even though it has never been discussed in the Staff forum, I think I can safely say this site has no "official arfcom position" regarding religion, atheism, God, no god, whatever. Speaking for myself, I view the atheists as even more pesky (of late) than the worst of the Bible thumpers. I guess minding one's own business is out of style. Discussing is fine, but beating the membership over the head with either view isn't going to happen here--that's all we care about. Things had gotten to the point where a Christian couldn't make a single post without an atheist chiming in with bullshit. Give it a rest (directed at atheists in general, not david_g17.) Please just go be an atheist--but please don't think anyone here gives a shit or wants to hear about your lack of a god.  This thread has been hijacked sufficiently--please abide by the rules and ask any further questions via IM. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:24:47 AM EDT
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its the position of anyone who can read a dictionary. I am an atheist, my religion is Unitarian Universalism. Some atheists (like myself) are religious, some consider themselves spiritual but not religious, some believe in nothing supernatural at all. Atheism is nothing more than a No answer to the question do you believe in God. It is the only question you can answer based on atheism. For any other question, you would have to be relying on some other belief system/philosophy. Atheism is incompatible with any religion that requires a belief in a personal Deity, but it is not a religion in itself. Nor is it a moral code, atheism is amoral. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:25:24 AM EDT
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sure, I don't want to screw it up so give me some time to think on it and I'll post some stuff |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:29:10 AM EDT
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I appreciate the responses. Its good to get a view on others beliefs. It alleviates ignorance and makes for better understanding. I am interested in Dinos take as his view is new to me and I find it interesting and am learning new stuff.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:34:46 AM EDT
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Back on topic - KJV only, here.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:37:00 AM EDT
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Apparently having my own set of religious beliefs, that don't require a holy book, now makes me unwelcome. I am not athiest. I am not christian. I don't really fall in any category.
I was hoping the religion forum would be a place for discussion, but apparently it is not. Just for clarification. "History of rifles" is ok as a "holy book" but "I don't have one" is not. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:38:30 AM EDT
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Could you give me a bit more information about this Bible? I recently learned that the Geneva Bible, not the King James, was used by many of the Puritans. I'm interested in learning more about it. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:40:46 AM EDT
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formerly NIV, but i've been reading from a digital copy lately so: NKJV.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:41:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:42:46 AM EDT
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Not necessarily, but jokes about matters of faith can cross the line.
I think you're overreacting a tad. Notice from the original post:
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:45:33 AM EDT
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Oh, and I usually read KJV, NIV, and Amplified in my studies. My main sword is an NIV Study Bible.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 10:09:40 AM EDT
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I use NIV but the KJV has a great flavor for some of the scripture (ie. Psalm 23, Luke 2, etc).
If I could read it, I think I would most prefer the original Hebrew and Greek version. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 10:32:04 AM EDT
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FotBR, I think your overreacting a bit. I posted much the same answer but I did it 1) without a joke 2) in a respectful manner Sometimes it not what you say, its how you say it. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 3:24:35 PM EDT
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OK, I'm jumping into this a little late and I'm sorry for that. I saw that some edits had been done early this morning by TBK1. Since he was handling this thread, I decided to move onto other discussions. I had a short time to check in this morning before work, and then during my 1/2 lunch break.
I think most of you are aware of the posting rules are in here. Everyone has been doing great the past couple of weeks, and I hope it continues. I'm not sure what I missed, but I'm willing to let the issue drop. Let's try to move forward from this point. Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 4:32:33 PM EDT
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The King James version was the first bible put into modern language. King James is an interesting figure himself. He was King of both England and Scotland, and he was known then as King James I and VI. He was King James I of England and King James VI of Scotland. Since he was Monarch of both countries, he united them by royal decree. Until King James ordered the 54 man "translation committee" to work, there was no Bible in the "modern" tongue. Again history here, and the Catholics will be pissed but; For many reasons, including this one, the Roman Catholic Church tried to assassinate King James many times during his reign. Most notably, in 1605 Roman Catholic Guy Fawkes attempted to blow up Parliament when the king was to have been present. The conspiracy was discovered and all co-conspirators were executed. This failed attempt is celebrated on November 5 in England each year and is known as Guy Fawkes Night. In the preface to the original publication, the Translation Committee wrote the following:
Rome felt that the common man did not need to read the Bible, that it was only for priests and scholars. In fact, until 1960 or so (maybe it was VaticanII), all bibles in Roman Catholic Churches had annotations to "explain" some of the things that were felt might conflict with Roman Catholic doctrinal teachings. After that date, the annotations have been removed, but there is still a Roman Catholic Bible, but now it uses the same source of translation as the King James version. Lots of bloodshed over this version of the Bible, no question. James was also the founding Monarch of the US. Of founding colonies here the King wrote:
Charlton Heston had this to say about the KJV, and I agree with him completely.
"The King James Bible of 1611", which is the full title, is the #1 most published book in history. |
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Posted: 8/5/2005 6:28:22 PM EDT
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The WORD of GOD
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Posted: 8/5/2005 6:42:51 PM EDT
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BIBLE
All translations I can get my hands on. |
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Posted: 8/5/2005 7:15:35 PM EDT
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i've been reading the kjv nelson study bible for about the last 2 yrs.
i really like the sound of the kjv,but it is hard to understand sometimes. this bible gives the niv version of the tougher words to understand.also has a good short commentary at the bottom of the pages. |
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Posted: 8/5/2005 7:19:59 PM EDT
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Ba'hai. You missed Ba'hai. And Assatruar.  |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 1:49:14 AM EDT
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Hey garandman, that respect thing is supposed to run both ways.. in theory anyway.
Gnostics.. They always forget the gnostics. hmmm.. Holy books? I dunno. I suppose the most true answer would be.... All of them. And I don't just mean religious texts but all books. |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 10:22:46 PM EDT
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Awwww crap, I said somethign to piss someone off, and for the life of me I cannot remember what it was, sorry for whatever it was |
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Posted: 8/6/2005 10:36:06 PM EDT
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KJV is #1, IMO. Some very smart people have told me that it is bar none the best translation out there, because it is, so far as possible, translated word-for-word from the original tongues. There is no interpretation; nobody trying to put (his idea of) the "sense" of the text into English idiom. That's why (and I had this confirmed by my son, who reads Greek  ) Paul sounds so odd to us, with sentences a mile and a half long and verbs buried out in the back 40, 300 yards from their objects: it's a word for word translation from Greek, and the Greek syntax and word order are preserved in the KJV.If I am (as I do all too infrequently) reading something closely, I do like to have a couple of other translations handy. Believe it or not, I am reliably informed that the Good News Bible is a sound (though idiomatic) translation. I do find it useful, though, to be able to compare 2 or 3 translations of a particularly dense or complex passage. |
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Posted: 8/7/2005 1:07:00 AM EDT
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Hmm, don't really have a holy book. Books I have read.
The Bible NIV KJV Some of the Torah Some of the Qur'an Some of the Pali and so other stuff. |
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Posted: 8/9/2005 2:05:18 AM EDT
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KJV and especially the NKJV are my choices.
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Posted: 8/9/2005 2:25:48 AM EDT
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****Deleted****<va-gunnut>
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Posted: 8/9/2005 8:17:13 PM EDT
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King James
red letter extra large type for my old eyes. 
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Posted: 8/10/2005 2:51:09 AM EDT
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The KJV Bible
The Book of Mormon The Doctrine and Covenants (of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints) The Pearl of Great Price(more LDS cannon) All very good books to read and try to live by. Also, I like Franklins Autobiography but it's not really a religious book but it has good words to live by. |
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Posted: 8/10/2005 5:01:29 AM EDT
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?que? 
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