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looks pretty sweet, I have alot of friends with whipples and I had a turbo stang. Once you boost a V8, you will never go back to N/A.
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this is going to be some crazy ride. That thing would be a blast on the Autobahn. I know a great stretch that is a pretty long straight all I can say is that would be so much fun.
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Wow! So much potential win in this; I bet once completed; that Challenger can eat anything on the road... I will tag this baby and wait for the final product.
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looks pretty sweet, I have alot of friends with whipples and I had a turbo stang. Once you boost a V8, you will never go back to N/A. Are you going to cut any weight off of the challenger or will it still be full weight? Not much weight reduction. My scale weight before the project was 4082lbs w/ a full tank of gas. Braille battery saved 49lbs over stock Flywheel is 15lbs lighter Exhaust is 44lbs lighter - Most of that was in the loss of the 2 rear resonators. The Magnaflow Competition exhaust is lighter than stock as well. Assorted bits and pieces - 11bs Drive Shaft is 7 lbs lighter Total weight - 3956bs. The problem is I added weight too. Roll Cage - ? Blower added 7 lbs over the stock intake and air cleaner set up. - The intercooler only weighs 4 lbs. I dont know how much the plumbing and fluids will add. Nitrous bottle full weights 14lbs Wider rims + heavier rubber - ? Heavier Axles - ? Ill get a new total weight after its all said and done, I am guessing she will be 4300lbs or so w/ all the extra's with most of the weight coming from the cage. Yeah she is a fat pig, but low 10 second timeslips will really make up for it! (Fingers crossed) |
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That Beast has low 10 e.t. written all over it.
you have some real style - |
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Nice looking ride. Personally, I'd take a used vette any day and still be faster with fewer mods.
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Nice looking ride. Personally, I'd take a used vette any day and still be faster with fewer mods. Thanks for the compliments. I looked at a Z06 Corvette and really loved it. Unfortunately, I need a back seat so it was out. The GT500 had a 10K market adjustment so I passed on that one, and the SS Camaro felt really cramped to me. It might have been the sunroof taking up space. I will say that my combo will put more horsepower and torque to the ground than a new supercharged ZR1 does at the crank! One thing I know for sure, is there is always someone faster and someone with more money! |
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cool, very impressive,
just curious whats it run originally compared to the potential low 10's you hope to reach? if you dont mind me asking how much in mods do you have into your ride? should that your set up be pretty reliable? for the total money spent what are some other cars in that price range. ive allway wanted to build somthing up for a track car but could really never decide if it would be better to build or buy at the end of the day |
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How fast do you want to go?
How much do you want to spend? AWESOME ride |
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Nice looking ride. Personally, I'd take a used vette any day and still be faster with fewer mods. |
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Very nice. Way past anything I would contemplate. My 2010 SRT8 is pretty much stock. Looking forward to seeing it complete.
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Faptacular!
I just want a 426 for my Charger R/T one day And fuck the people that say "You could have had this instead of this for XX amount of money." Built not bought |
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Was there a reason the base model wasn't bought if a new motor was going to be dropped in anyhow?
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Was there a reason the base model wasn't bought if a new motor was going to be dropped in anyhow? Just curious. Suspension components, brake components, frame setup for the V8, interior upgrades, PCM, ABS, TCS, BCM computer systems, transmission and other drivetrain parts. There are very notable differences in modern cars between base and the high end performance models. It's not the same as it used to be of just swapping the motor and putting air shocks in the back |
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Was there a reason the base model wasn't bought if a new motor was going to be dropped in anyhow? Just curious. Suspension components, brake components, frame setup for the V8, interior upgrades, PCM, ABS, TCS, BCM computer systems, transmission and other drivetrain parts. There are very notable differences in modern cars between base and the high end performance models. It's not the same as it used to be of just swapping the motor and putting air shocks in the back I'm sure there are some differences, but I highly doubt upwards to $17k of difference (the difference in base prices). http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html Not that I think the SRT8 is a bad choice at all, I just don't think the options are THAT different. Especially not 10-15k+ different...but this doesn't appear to be a "budget" oriented build, so it is really irrelevant. I was just curious. |
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Was there a reason the base model wasn't bought if a new motor was going to be dropped in anyhow? Just curious. Suspension components, brake components, frame setup for the V8, interior upgrades, PCM, ABS, TCS, BCM computer systems, transmission and other drivetrain parts. There are very notable differences in modern cars between base and the high end performance models. It's not the same as it used to be of just swapping the motor and putting air shocks in the back I'm sure there are some differences, but I highly doubt upwards to $17k of difference (the difference in base prices). http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html Not that I think the SRT8 is a bad choice at all, I just don't think the options are THAT different. Especially not 10-15k+ different...but this doesn't appear to be a "budget" oriented build, so it is really irrelevant. I was just curious. You may or may not be able to source wiring harnesses and computers from dealer stock. And they wouldn't be cheap. A performance NAG1 or 6 speed tremec is about 4K, Brembos front and rear are about 6K So we're at 10K already without even touching any computer or harness issues |
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those that can do those that can't will hate on you
nice build |
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Is it brand new? The under carraige looks spotless. How many miles did you put on it before building?
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Very, very cool.
Maybe I'll see it out and about sometime! (though Virginia is a big state) |
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Is it brand new? The under carraige looks spotless. How many miles did you put on it before building? Its pretty much brand new I took delivery of the car on 9/9/09 (I special ordered it). The car has not had its first oil change yet. I figured why go through all that trouble to pull the belly pan and change the oil, Ill just put a new motor in it!I I received the stroker motor in October and its been in build since December. The cam took a few different profiles to get it right and took 2 months before the final grind was approved. The final grind cam out to .685 lift with split duration on the intake and exhaust. My cam guy would kill me if I gave out all the specs on it. Its has also taken a bit of time to get all the parts as this car is being used to prototype quite a few parts. The drive shaft, axles, had not been installed on a 6 speed car yet and the driveline parts are significantly different than the parts on autos. This is the first car to receive 100mm throttle body ported for nitrous nozzles from Arrington and the drive by wire had to be modified to actuate the WOT sensor. Even the blower pulleys have to be custom machined to get the right combination of boost. When both phases of the build are done, I hope to be the first LC street car in the 9's on DOT tires. |
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Using a seat of your pants guess..how much hp do you think you'll have at the rear tires?
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Using a seat of your pants guess..how much hp do you think you'll have at the rear tires? Well I would hate to guess, but a similar combo with an automatic transmission w/ 15 pounds of boost with a 426 and a Whipple made 760.5hp at the tires without nitrous. I hope to hit mid 800's with a 100 shot and 20psi, and over 1000hp at the wheels when I add the twin turbos and water meth later. The dyno will tell the truth when that time comes and I will post a sheet. I only run on mustang dynos and they tend to read a few percent lower but at this level it wont make too much difference. |
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Using a seat of your pants guess..how much hp do you think you'll have at the rear tires? Well I would hate to guess, but a similar combo with an automatic transmission w/ 15 pounds of boost with a 426 and a Whipple made 760.5hp at the tires without nitrous. I hope to hit mid 800's with a 100 shot and 20psi, and over 1000hp at the wheels when I add the twin turbos and water meth later. The dyno will tell the truth when that time comes and I will post a sheet. I only run on mustang dynos and they tend to read a few percent lower but at this level it wont make too much difference. |
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What caused the change to TT?
It's going to be sick either way, just curious... |
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Wouldn't starting with the R/T saved a lot of money over the SRT8? Since you were going to do all this motor and chassis work, you've kind of negated the benefit of the SRT8 package over the regular R/T, right?
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Wouldn't starting with the R/T saved a lot of money over the SRT8? Since you were going to do all this motor and chassis work, you've kind of negated the benefit of the SRT8 package over the regular R/T, right? Very good question. I would have saved 4000-5000 if I started with an R/T. I ordered the car with every option except the sunroof and a R/T equipped nearly the same would have cost about $39000 or so. Here is why I didnt. I wanted the Brembo brakes and it costs about 6000 to upgrade an R/T I needed the 6.1 hemi block for my build. The 5.7 block is too small to get past 397 or so. Also the 5.7 used VVT cam which is a problem since i have a very aggressive blower cam that is not available with the 5.7. Next, I needed the SRT8 manifolds to mount the twin turbos to. If I got an R/T I would have had to source SRT manifolds since the Hellion kit wont bolt to a 5.7. (The twins were always in the plan) The R/T comes with heavier plastic clad wheels instead of the Forged Alcoa's. I want to keep the car looking as stock as possible. |
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Makes sense now that you describe the differences. Thanks for the explanation.
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Wouldn't starting with the R/T saved a lot of money over the SRT8? Since you were going to do all this motor and chassis work, you've kind of negated the benefit of the SRT8 package over the regular R/T, right? Very good question. I would have saved 4000-5000 if I started with an R/T. I ordered the car with every option except the sunroof and a R/T equipped nearly the same would have cost about $39000 or so. Here is why I didnt. I wanted the Brembo brakes and it costs about 6000 to upgrade an R/T I needed the 6.1 hemi block for my build. The 5.7 block is too small to get past 397 or so. Also the 5.7 used VVT cam which is a problem since i have a very aggressive blower cam that is not available with the 5.7. Next, I needed the SRT8 manifolds to mount the twin turbos to. If I got an R/T I would have had to source SRT manifolds since the Hellion kit wont bolt to a 5.7. (The twins were always in the plan) The R/T comes with heavier plastic clad wheels instead of the Forged Alcoa's. I want to keep the car looking as stock as possible. I'm confused, I thought you bought an entire new block (in the pictures)? Why did you need the Hemi? What do you mean the cam isn't available for the 5.7L –– was your guy only willing to do one for the 6.1L (thinking it would be more popular)? I bet you'll wind up getting this question a lot. |
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that monster is gonna eat fords and Crap chevy's all day long
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Wouldn't starting with the R/T saved a lot of money over the SRT8? Since you were going to do all this motor and chassis work, you've kind of negated the benefit of the SRT8 package over the regular R/T, right? Very good question. I would have saved 4000-5000 if I started with an R/T. I ordered the car with every option except the sunroof and a R/T equipped nearly the same would have cost about $39000 or so. Here is why I didnt. I wanted the Brembo brakes and it costs about 6000 to upgrade an R/T I needed the 6.1 hemi block for my build. The 5.7 block is too small to get past 397 or so. Also the 5.7 used VVT cam which is a problem since i have a very aggressive blower cam that is not available with the 5.7. Next, I needed the SRT8 manifolds to mount the twin turbos to. If I got an R/T I would have had to source SRT manifolds since the Hellion kit wont bolt to a 5.7. (The twins were always in the plan) The R/T comes with heavier plastic clad wheels instead of the Forged Alcoa's. I want to keep the car looking as stock as possible. I'm confused, I thought you bought an entire new block (in the pictures)? Why did you need the Hemi? What do you mean the cam isn't available for the 5.7L –– was your guy only willing to do one for the 6.1L (thinking it would be more popular)? I bet you'll wind up getting this question a lot. When I first started this project last year, no one had cracked the variable valve timing set up that the 5.7 cam uses. The 6.1 uses an old school cam that doesnt advance the valve openings at higher rpms. That is not an issue now as cams are available for the 5.7. The 5.7 upper ring land is also higher on the piston than on the 6.1 and with the amount of boost I am going to run, there would have been a potential strength issue. As for the engine, I did get a new block and heads. If I had a 5.7 I would have had $3500 in core charges since the block, and heads are different between the two engine types. I could have recouped that by selling the 5.7 stuff, but I dont have time to show it and ship it. Plus, with the Can/bus and VVT cam, it would have probably only worked in the Challenger. The Ram, 300 and Charger do not use the same 5.7 as the Challenger for the most part. I would have also had to buy an SRT intake manifold and SRT headers as well. |
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The awesome quotient was upped significantly with the addition of twin turbos.
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Seems those cars I've seen at local tracks are trying to push into the 12's (stockish).
So your plan is to just skip those, and the 11's too. Just get to it I like your style And yeah, there is a turbo thread on here. Make sure you put pics here and/or there when they're on! |
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that monster is gonna eat fords and Crap chevy's all day long There are alot of tough twin turbo Cobras and nitrous chevys out there.... I think he should do fine though. He might be a little on the heavy side though |
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When I first started this project last year, no one had cracked the variable valve timing set up that the 5.7 cam uses. The 6.1 uses an old school cam that doesnt advance the valve openings at higher rpms. That is not an issue now as cams are available for the 5.7. The 5.7 upper ring land is also higher on the piston than on the 6.1 and with the amount of boost I am going to run, there would have been a potential strength issue. As for the engine, I did get a new block and heads. If I had a 5.7 I would have had $3500 in core charges since the block, and heads are different between the two engine types. I could have recouped that by selling the 5.7 stuff, but I dont have time to show it and ship it. Plus, with the Can/bus and VVT cam, it would have probably only worked in the Challenger. The Ram, 300 and Charger do not use the same 5.7 as the Challenger for the most part. I would have also had to buy an SRT intake manifold and SRT headers as well. Cool, thanks for the explanation. How long do you think it'll be before you get it on the dyno and 1/4 mile? |
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