OK....I embellished my BF % tooooooooo low, but, it was single digits, long ago and faraway. Who here does not do the same in some form or another ? The 500lb ( slightly below parallel) squat was a goal I set and met though.[:D] ...Anyways... I have a pal who is a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist =(CSCS) as well as a DrChiro. These CSCS cert. guys are qualified by the sheepskin to train athletes at the pro.sports level. His one primary advocacy is people MISTAKE HUNGER FOR THIRST! So for folks trying to loose weight, try drinking lots of water when you[red] _'feel'_ [/red] hungry, it'll fill you up and be re-hydrating you, as well as not containing ANY CALORIES. A trick I've heard of is a ""large"" glass/tank[;)] of water before and after every meal. I just thought I'd pass this along if you havent heard it already.......byebye! [edited to add] .... James, my friend, He's kinda a artsy fartsy PC type guy......I have no problem with that. I can be artsy fartsy when it comes to certain things also other than gunz, but I think hes also..... Anti-ish, so I doubt he'd visit on a gunz board .