I'm talking about stuff like GNC Total Lean Burn 60.  I'm not expecting a miracle or something for nothing, just a little help to get me over a plateau and get the last 20 lbs off me.

Most of 'em are mostly caffeine.

I haven't known anyone who said they were effective for anything other than "uppers" (i.e. take a few Hydroxycuts and let's go).

Back in college I could work/study 20+ hours a day during the work week on those fuckers.



Maybe I've been tricked, but i think they help.

If they really worked, would there be any fat people left?

People would still be too fat and lazy to use them.



 

Wouldn't matter because their diets would still suck.


I personally like Lipo-6.  I have tried a few different kinds, and keep coming back to this one.  In fact, I just got a bottle last week.  It helps give me energy, and I use them as more of an "extra" kick in the pants before training.

they worked when they contained ephedra

Ive heard Ephedrine and caffeine works well.  Never had to use it myself, but I know people that have and liked the results.  Plus its cheaper than all the other pills, and there are not tons of ingreadents that may be useless or even dangerous.  





Caffeine is easy enough to get, and to get Ephedrine just buy primatene.  Its sold for asthma behind the counter at a pharmacy.  

Search EC stack for more details.





A pill can help, but diet and exercise is 95% of the battle.  I would make sure diet and exercise is good to go and I don't reccomend any pills until you hit a major plateau that you just can not break.

 

An ECA stack (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) is about the most effective that you can do legally.

And diet is probably 90% of that.

Ive done EC stacks (No aspirin) and have had great results with them. Bronkaid was the Eph that I used. Been off for a month and about to start the stack again.

ETA: It really came down mostly to a motivator for me. Placebo effect or not I did have more of an urge to run/gym it than when I wasnt on the stack.

Thermogetic pills are supposed to help you burn 10% or so more fat when used with proper diet and exercise.  

They are pretty damned expensive for only 10%.  If you are safely loosing 5 to 6 lbs per month, you are paying $$$ for an extra half pound of loss??  Not worth it in my book.  Did I mention that it boosts your blood pressure too?

I decided to go with an ECA stack and acquired the stuff this morning.  Got a box of Bronkaid at Walgreens along with some NoDoz and I took an 81mg Aspirin with it.  Bronkaid is kind of a hassle to buy.  Damn tweakers.....  Probably gonna go for a run in about an hour and see how I feel.  

did you just start on a full dose day one? My wife had jitters and anxious feelings when she did. I skipped the caffeine for two days then went full dose and didnt feel any odd feelings. Drink lots of water and dont overdo it. The heart is already going faster than it normally does. You will probably reach your max heartrate quicker with less activity on the ECA till your body gets used to it.

You have no idea what you are doing. Do your research before you mess with ECA.

This will help get him started.
http://www.hotnfit.com/ecstack.htm

After I took a full dose, I noticed I was slightly jittery.  My appetite was pretty much dead.  My resting heart rate went from the low 40's to the high 50's.  No other side effects noticed.

Who here has used the EC stack, and with what results?  I've always wanted to try it, but am always worried about drug tests at work.  Thanks for any responses.

it wont show up on any tests they dont look for it or if it does it doesnt seem to make a difference. Ive taken tests as Im a backup driver for the hotel. Either way Bronkaid/Primatine is an OTC asthma medicine not a prescription drug. No different than an inhaler.

First time I took EC stack was last year. I had been working on my cardio and weights for a while but wasnt pushing as hard as I knew I could and would take too many days off and still ate like crap. I quit soon after because I didnt get the "magic pill" effect. I knew it was my problem and not the stacks. I started again this year. I first started again (at 256lb size 38 pants were kinda loose) back about April. Eating cleaner (still have my vices though) and took the month of August as I was in Georgia with family. Im now sitting at 234 and a size 34 pants that are kinda loose. I dont chalk it all up to the EC stack but it certainly took away a bigtime excuse Ive always used: "Im too tired/lazy/unmotivated."

Im not training for anything or have a short term goal. I lose what I lose. I add as much distance to my runs as I can. I havent dont hardly any free weight work though. Just body weight (pushups, situps, pullups) I heard once and it sticks "Im training not to suck at life"

This.

I have dabbled in thermogenics since April.  I thought Lipo 6 and Cellucor D4 worked well.  I started around 275-280 and was 220 this morning.  Of course diet was HUGE part of it.

yep this. Not sure if the ban went back into effect, but about 1.5 years ago there was aloophole that allow ephedra again, guessing they closed the loophole since then.

J-

You can still get it at a pharmacy as an asthma medicine.  $13 for 60 Bronkaid pills at Walgreens, plus $6 for a bottle of NoDoz.  Just be prepared to show ID.  I've been cycling up since last Saturday.  I don't really feel too different, and I can't say if it's working or not, but I'll finish the box of Bronkaid out and see where I'm at.  Should be about 4 weeks when the box is empty, so that'll be a good time to cycle off.  For $20, it's a cheap experiment.  



 

Check out "vaporize" if you do not like stimulants.

It has a very mild stimulant effect but nothing like some of the others
Vaporize

As always do some research before you buy

I've been using these off and on for a while now. About 2 years.

They work very well!

Just make sure you cycle off of them routinely.