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Posted: 7/1/2022 9:15:55 PM EDT
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The Court said that "sensitive spaces" can be restricted. However, the restricted space must be under immediate police protection i.e. govt building with security checking everyone at the door and able to react to a crime within the space. A park is not that. A store is not that. A library is not that. A restaurant is not that.
These people knowingly violated the rights of New Yorkers. I hope that there are heavy penalties associated with such blatant violations. |
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Posted: 7/1/2022 9:44:04 PM EDT
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Do we know if the social media requirement or live fire applies to the permits for semi autos?
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Posted: 7/1/2022 9:47:31 PM EDT
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Looks like this is where they got their list of "sensitive" places. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/07/01/bruen-guns-rights-carry-sensitive-places/
As Timothy Zick and Diana Palmer wrote recently in the Atlantic: Both red and blue states have created an archipelago of “sensitive places,” such as “public transit, polling places … athletic facilities, public swimming pools, riverboat casinos, school-bus stops, pharmacies, business parking lots, public highways, amusement parks, zoos, liquor stores, airports, parades, demonstrations, financial institutions, theaters, hotel lobbies, tribal lands, and even gun shows.” All these sensitive-place designations are now subject to challenge as insufficiently analogous to regulations that existed in the past. |
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Posted: 7/1/2022 11:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  @HiramrangerYou said you had conversations with Nolo this morning. Please recap some of it here. We need a boost to morale here. All I see is darkness. I wish I could. Talked with him tonight as well. HUGE plans… you’ll be HAPPY! |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 7:38:26 AM EDT
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Happiness is contempt petitions. Lots of them.
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Posted: 7/2/2022 8:00:37 AM EDT
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What about all those people in NYC that got a carry permit solely because they deal with cash or jewels on a daily basis and need to carry into banks to make deposits? There are thousands of people who carry because of that in NYC.
Now if that bank doesn't have a "guns allowed" sign, it's a felony. So...carry permits are 100% worthless to those people now. @nolocontendere I hope you have plans to overturn ALL of these BS new laws. Where do we donate???? |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 8:37:30 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *SNIP* @nolocontendere I hope you have plans to overturn ALL of these BS new laws. Where do we donate???? |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 8:39:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In for info. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: *SNIP* @nolocontendere I hope you have plans to overturn ALL of these BS new laws. Where do we donate???? +1 FUCK these people |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 8:57:46 AM EDT
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I sure hope that any lawsuits include personal financial penalties for all legislators who willfully voted to violate Constitutional Rights of New Yorkers.
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Posted: 7/2/2022 11:41:10 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I sure hope that any lawsuits include personal financial penalties for all legislators who willfully voted to violate Constitutional Rights of New Yorkers. That does not exist. That’s why we need an independent investigation organization to nail them on something else. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 11:48:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Court said that "sensitive spaces" can be restricted. However, the restricted space must be under immediate police protection i.e. govt building with security checking everyone at the door and able to react to a crime within the space. A park is not that. A store is not that. A library is not that. A restaurant is not that. These people knowingly violated the rights of New Yorkers. I hope that there are heavy penalties associated with such blatant violations. This should be hugely important. No carry sensitive places almost makes sense if there is an adequate number of armed LE to immediately protect everyone. If Hochul wants to make everywhere sensitive let her pay for constant SP presence everywhere. If dems want to take things backward force them to put police presence in schools if they want schools to be gun free, eta - And everybody who is a victim of crime in a 'sensitive' but unprotected place should immediately sue NYS |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 12:06:26 PM EDT
[#12]
HTF is anybody going to pass a qualification when you can't touch a handgun in NY unless you have a permit?
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Posted: 7/2/2022 12:37:05 PM EDT
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It looks like NY has actually opened the door to out of state carry….
“NONRESIDENTS OF THE STATE PARTICIPATING IN ANY LAWFUL RECREATIONAL FIREARMS RELATED ACTIVITY, AND WHILE IN THE COURSE OF TRAVELING TO AND FROM SUCH RECREATION ACTIVITY” Any lawful recreational activity and traveling to and from is pretty broad |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 12:50:58 PM EDT
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I started a fundraiser on Facebook for SAF for future legal action.
https://www.facebook.com/donate/601738927890400/ If not allowed here please delete. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 1:34:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I sure hope that any lawsuits include personal financial penalties for all legislators who willfully voted to violate Constitutional Rights of New Yorkers. It should include prison. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 4:20:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This should be hugely important. No carry sensitive places almost makes sense if there is an adequate number of armed LE to immediately protect everyone. If Hochul wants to make everywhere sensitive let her pay for constant SP presence everywhere. If dems want to take things backward force them to put police presence in schools if they want schools to be gun free, eta - And everybody who is a victim of crime in a 'sensitive' but unprotected place should immediately sue NYS Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Court said that "sensitive spaces" can be restricted. However, the restricted space must be under immediate police protection i.e. govt building with security checking everyone at the door and able to react to a crime within the space. A park is not that. A store is not that. A library is not that. A restaurant is not that. These people knowingly violated the rights of New Yorkers. I hope that there are heavy penalties associated with such blatant violations. This should be hugely important. No carry sensitive places almost makes sense if there is an adequate number of armed LE to immediately protect everyone. If Hochul wants to make everywhere sensitive let her pay for constant SP presence everywhere. If dems want to take things backward force them to put police presence in schools if they want schools to be gun free, eta - And everybody who is a victim of crime in a 'sensitive' but unprotected place should immediately sue NYS |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 5:41:07 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HTF is anybody going to pass a qualification when you can't touch a handgun in NY unless you have a permit? |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 6:10:31 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. They effectively made it impossible to get a CCW by implementing that. If you read the text, there is an exemption for possession of a weapon during a training class. They covered it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 6:15:22 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. They effectively made it impossible to get a CCW by implementing that. I would say they are openly trying to prevent all gun sales simultaneously creating a State run data base for gun and ammo sales indicating their next move to be forced confiscations. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 6:15:31 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you read the text, there is an exemption for possession of a weapon during a training class. They covered it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Exactly. They effectively made it impossible to get a CCW by implementing that. If you read the text, there is an exemption for possession of a weapon during a training class. They covered it. Lol so you show up to the class having never fired a handgun before and they expect you to pass an arbitrary shooting test? |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 6:17:43 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you read the text, there is an exemption for possession of a weapon during a training class. They covered it. That's a candy bitch ass cop out. How do you get said gun? Whoever wrote the law has no idea of the process required to get a handgun in NY. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 6:24:10 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol so you show up to the class having never fired a handgun before and they expect you to pass an arbitrary shooting test? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Exactly. They effectively made it impossible to get a CCW by implementing that. If you read the text, there is an exemption for possession of a weapon during a training class. They covered it. Lol so you show up to the class having never fired a handgun before and they expect you to pass an arbitrary shooting test? Good point |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 6:42:04 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a candy bitch ass cop out. How do you get said gun? Whoever wrote the law has no idea of the process required to get a handgun in NY. I guess the assumption is that the handgun would be provided by the trainer. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 7:12:20 PM EDT
[#24]
So with NY banning carry in ALL private businesses unless they put up a "guns allowed" sign...
What if a business doesn't have the "guns allowed" sign...and someone gets caught carrying there...but the business doesn't want to press charges or maybe they forgot to put up the sign? What? The state just prosecutes the person anyway? That is not going to stand in any court except a kangaroo court...which we don't have a shortage of in NY unfortunately. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 7:15:51 PM EDT
[#25]
Hell, the first issue is for the training program to actually exist.
They're supposed to go from zero to training and testing almost everybody with a current license plus all new applicants in a year. Doesn't sound to me like something the ny govt is capable of. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 7:34:06 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So with NY banning carry in ALL private businesses unless they put up a "guns allowed" sign... What if a business doesn't have the "guns allowed" sign...and someone gets caught carrying there...but the business doesn't want to press charges or maybe they forgot to put up the sign? What? The state just prosecutes the person anyway? That is not going to stand in any court except a kangaroo court...which we don't have a shortage of in NY unfortunately. There is something in the text that there does not have to be a sign as such. The business can 'otherwise give express consent'. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 8:13:11 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol so you show up to the class having never fired a handgun before and they expect you to pass an arbitrary shooting test? I would guess they would expect you to pay for training prior to taking your test. No desire to be stomped by my fellow HTF peeps but I would hope anyone looking to carry a handgun who has no prior experience would seek out some training for their own benefit, their own safety, and for everyone else's safety. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 8:37:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would guess they would expect you to pay for training prior to taking your test. No desire to be stomped by my fellow HTF peeps but I would hope anyone looking to carry a handgun who has no prior experience would seek out some training for their own benefit, their own safety, and for everyone else's safety. How about you just get a carry license, then take it upon yourself to just practice, or pay for training if you can afford it. State mandated training is bs. Also...shooting a pistol at usual sd distances (7 yards) isn't exactly rocket surgery. I was doing it when I was 7 years old. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 9:30:17 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess the assumption is that the handgun would be provided by the trainer. Sounds like they will need body armor. Good thing Hockel will let them buy it for their profession. 
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Posted: 7/2/2022 10:01:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How about you just get a carry license, then take it upon yourself to just practice, or pay for training if you can afford it. State mandated training is bs. Also...shooting a pistol at usual sd distances (7 yards) isn't exactly rocket surgery. I was doing it when I was 7 years old. I was not agreeing with the states mandated training. It may not be rocket science to hit a target at 7 yards but I can assure you there are people who cannot do it. I spent years as RO doing sub-gun matches as well as 2 and 3 gun matches mixed in and I watched guys who owned various firearms for years who could not hit jack. I watched guys with years of gun handling experience violate the most basic firearms safety rules. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 10:28:28 PM EDT
[#31]
I've been googling and it looks like most states have a stupid easy test.
This looks like about as serious as it gets(I think it's texas) full size silo target 175/250 to pass my sample of what it takes to pass 100/100 at 3 yards 20 shots 75/100 at 7 yards 20 shots 10 shots at 15 yards where you shouldn't even need any points make up a few if you blew a few at 7 looks like you have to handle malfs live or take lost points most rapid fire stage is 5 in 15 seconds no hot reloads most fails are being stupidly unsafe, not the shooting score not guarantee ours will be even close but it's something to think about https://www.licensetocarry.com/top-10-reasons-why-students-fail-the-ltc-proficiency-demonstration/ |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 10:49:37 PM EDT
[#32]
Sales of "Weapons Permitted" stickers are gonna soar. Guess I'll just have to slap one on every door I open.
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Posted: 7/2/2022 11:54:48 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about all those people in NYC that got a carry permit solely because they deal with cash or jewels on a daily basis and need to carry into banks to make deposits? There are thousands of people who carry because of that in NYC. Now if that bank doesn't have a "guns allowed" sign, it's a felony. So...carry permits are 100% worthless to those people now. @nolocontendere I hope you have plans to overturn ALL of these BS new laws. Where do we donate???? |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 1:47:14 AM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: HTF is anybody going to pass a qualification when you can't touch a handgun in NY unless you have a permit? Sure, Someone that’s never touched a gun before is going to get 80% in the x ring at 150 feet no problem. |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 3:58:35 AM EDT
[#35]
The State of New York does not have a true constitutional provision for the right to bear arms. However, the state's Civil Rights Law includes the following provision:
State Right to Bear Arms in New York Civil Rights Law art. II, § 4 provides that " [a] well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed." Infringement: To break a law or pact, or encroach upon the rights of others. |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 6:56:22 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if the bank does not put up the signs, what about armed security? Certified armed security is an exemption. Only where they work while working, even they can't carry in any other sensitive area. I don't see any allowance for private bodyguards. Unless you're so vitally important to society that your security details is cops, of course. |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 7:18:23 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sales of "Weapons Permitted" stickers are gonna soar. Guess I'll just have to slap one on every door I open. How about real small signs put on the lower corners of windows and doors? Maybe even clear background stickers…. Barely noticeable. Must be high quality stickers to last decades. |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 8:57:01 AM EDT
[#38]
Ok, so if there is an exemption for armed security.
What if everyone becomes an armed security guard? I was hired to protect this child (my child). |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 9:13:49 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, so if there is an exemption for armed security. What if everyone becomes an armed security guard? I was hired to protect this child (my child). NY has an insanely long and expensive course to become an armed guard. |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 9:39:07 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was hired to protect this child (my child). What is the going rate for paying yourself for personal protection of your child? |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 9:40:09 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NY has an insanely long and expensive course to become an armed guard. 40 hours if I’m not mistaken, then eight hours every year thereafter. |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 10:42:35 AM EDT
[#42]
S/B called The Concealed Carry Subversion Act.
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Posted: 7/3/2022 8:21:57 PM EDT
[#43]
Lanza gets it. They are mocking us and the SC.
 Senator Andrew Lanza Speaks on Senate Bill S51001 |
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Posted: 7/4/2022 2:03:37 PM EDT
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This is what it looks like when tyrannical ideologue's only concerned with power take over your state. They completely ignore the law and Constitution because it's suits their personal predilections, not those whom they were elected to serve. People are sometimes curious what life was like in 1776. Look around you now.
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:55:01 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 4) Database of all ammunition purchases 6) Background checks on ammunition purchases through the State Police. Another section creates a "background check fund" to finance this. Couple of things I noticed in re-reading the PDF this morning 1- Ammunition tracking wont just be for ammunition sales. It requires documenting ammunition received. Heaven help the small FFL who's off on his ammunition inventory Of course, after December the ammunition has to be kept out of reach of customers, but still, thats a mess. The state is taking on not just the background check for ammo, but taking over the background check on firearms transfers. You know that NYS wont be doing that for free. How much do other states charge per transfer? Five bucks? Ten bucks? You can bet that NYS will aim for their fee to be punitive, something in the range of $20-25 per check. Gotta rake those evil gun owners over the coals.... |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 10:59:43 AM EDT
[#46]
Since airports are now sensitive places does this mean you can not bring a rifle to transport to another state to hunt?
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Posted: 7/5/2022 2:13:32 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Since airports are now sensitive places does this mean you can not bring a rifle to transport to another state to hunt? This is all about concealed carry not about unloaded cased firearms for transport. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 2:26:35 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is all about concealed carry not about unloaded cased firearms for transport. Not the way I read it. "CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM, RIFLE OR SHOTGUN IN A SENSITIVE LOCATION IS A CLASS E FELONY." " 1. A PERSON IS GUILTY OF CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM, RIFLE OR SHOTGUN IN A SENSITIVE LOCATION WHEN SUCH PERSON POSSESSES A FIREARM, RIFLE OR SHOTGUN IN OR UPON A SENSITIVE LOCATION, AND SUCH PERSON KNOWS OR REASONABLY SHOULD KNOW SUCH LOCATION IS A SENSITIVE LOCATION." |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 2:33:20 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is all about concealed carry not about unloaded cased firearms for transport. In intent, yes. but even where they don't intend to be evil, they're still incompetent. What the text does is ban possession of a firearm,rifle or pistol almost everywhere. I see no exemption for secured transport. It seems quite possible to be a felon for a shotgun locked in your trunk if you drive in the wrong place. Carrying a locked case into an airport does seem to be a problem as the law stands. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 2:51:02 PM EDT
[#50]
So is the background check for purchasing a firearm conducted by the NYSP. Are they actually doing the NICS check as well? I thought Vermont tried that and it didn't work? Or is this just a step beyond after the NICS check?
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