barrel shroud? - AR15.COM

Posted: 2/6/2006 3:15:16 PM EDT

i was looking at the text of the new proposed NYS AWB and saw this:

(IV) A SHROUD ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY
15 ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE
16 NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT
17 ENCLOSES THE BARREL;[/quote\

what does this mean exactly? it seems every rifle has a wood or plastic guard that allows you to hold it with your non-trigger hand without being burned, even my 10/22. what defines a "shroud" vs a "slide"?

Posted: 2/6/2006 3:30:28 PM EDT

[#1]

Who knows what it means. In any case we need to ban Nomex/Kevlar gloves. With a pair of those puppies you don't need no 'stinkin shroud (or stock for that matter).

Posted: 2/6/2006 3:53:10 PM EDT

[#2]

The only thing I can think of is that they are confusing a heat shield as something used to actually hold the weapon vs. something that dissipates heat off the barrel.

Its obvious that the people who wrote these laws didn't do their homework, so I wouldn't be surprised. Anti-gun legislation is written by people who want nothing to do with firearms of all types; that includes actually researching them.

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:16:01 PM EDT

[#3]

so it seems a stock ruger 10/22 could be banned because it has a detachable mag and it has a plastic piece which partially covers the barrel so the gun can be held with the non trigger hand without being burned.

great

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:02:27 PM EDT

[#4]

Which is why its important we *all* push on our elected officials to stop this crap from passing.

They're looking to restrict us to pump shotguns, black powder and bolt actions. In the ideal world, we wouldn't even have that.

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:53:56 PM EDT

[#5]

sorry but the day the 10/22 gets banned.......

ASSHOLESSSSSSSSS

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:57:42 PM EDT

[#6]

upon reading it again, it really depends what "partially or completely encircles the barrel" means. does it mean that the barrel is completely encircled at one point, but othe rpoints of the barrel are exposed? (like AR handguards). does it mean that the barrel is partially encircled most of the way down, like on a 10/22? i don't know! going from the wording, it could go either way. i really don't want to be arrested and to be the first one to find out what it mean exactly... in a courtroom!

Posted: 2/6/2006 9:33:34 PM EDT

[#7]

could you include a little more context or a link to the wording of the ban? Doesn't this apply to hand guns only?

Posted: 2/7/2006 3:01:26 AM EDT

[#8]

This is probably which legislation he's talking about:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A02466&sh=t

Posted: 2/7/2006 4:16:12 AM EDT

[#9]

I stand corrected, that section wasn't applying to just to handguns.

Posted: 2/7/2006 4:27:14 AM EDT

[#10]

So I wonder if you use half a HandGuard on a AR15 that makes it legal. This is a bad joke or dream and If this is only the start of the new year, I hate to see what is about to come.

Posted: 2/7/2006 11:52:24 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
So I wonder if you use half a HandGuard on a AR15 that makes it legal. This is a bad joke or dream and If this is only the start of the new year, I hate to see what is about to come.

you'd have to cut off the pistol grip... the new proposed ban allows only ONE evil feature in addition to the detachable mag.

Posted: 2/7/2006 11:59:38 AM EDT

[#12]

The Democrats have been trying to get the current AWB to look like the the version of the AWB they originally passed in 2000 before Pataki compromised and replaced it with current Federal mirror ban.

It's critical that we keep the Republican majority in the Senate after the Nov 2006 elections. If we could mange to increase the Senate majority that would send a clear message to the Senate Democrats to back off their feel good anti-gun bills that have no effect on the criminal misuse of firearms in NY.

Posted: 2/7/2006 12:45:13 PM EDT

[#13]

what are the chances of us losing the senate in 2006? don't we only have a majority by like 6 votes now?

Posted: 2/7/2006 1:19:24 PM EDT

[#14]

I don't think the Senate majority is at risk in 2006. A few years ago the Democrats stated they were on target to attain a majority in 2008. The Republicans currently have an eight member majority.

I don't know what Republican controlled seats are at risk in 2006. Perhaps HiramRanger could shed some light on the subject.

If you care about maintaining you gun rights in NY go to the following link and contact your county Republican Committee. Ask them what you can do to help elect or keep your Republican NYS Senator in office.

NY GOP County Committees

Posted: 2/7/2006 3:54:25 PM EDT

[#15]

isn't that part under the definition of a pistol "assault weapon"
it is in the current AWB

Posted: 2/7/2006 3:57:19 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
isn't that part under the definition of a pistol "assault weapon"
it is in the current AWB

in the new bill, it's under both the pistol and rifle sections. in the existing ban, it's only under the pistol section.

here's the text of the new ban:

S 2. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law is REPEALED and
6 a new subdivision 22 is added to read as follows:
7 22. "ASSAULT WEAPON" MEANS ANY:
8 (A) SEMI-AUTOMATIC OR PUMP-ACTION RIFLE THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO
9 ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
10 (I) A PISTOL GRIP;
11 (II) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
12 NON-TRIGGER HAND;
13 (III) A FOLDING, TELESCOPING OR THUMBHOLE STOCK;
14 (IV) A SHROUD ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY
15 ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE
16 NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT
17 ENCLOSES THE BARREL; OR
18 (V) A MUZZLE BRAKE OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
19 (B) SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL, OR ANY SEMI-AUTOMATIC, CENTERFIRE RIFLE
20 WITH A FIXED MAGAZINE, THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT MORE THAN TEN
21 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;
22 (C) SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
23 MAGAZINE AND HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
24 (I) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
25 NON-TRIGGER HAND;
26 (II) A FOLDING, TELESCOPING OR THUMBHOLE STOCK;
27 (III) A SHROUD ATTACHED TO THE BARREL, OR THAT PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY
28 ENCIRCLES THE BARREL, ALLOWING THE BEARER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE
29 NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED, BUT EXCLUDING A SLIDE THAT
30 ENCLOSES THE BARREL;
31 (IV) A MUZZLE BRAKE OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR; OR
32 (V) THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AT ANY LOCATION
33 OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP;
34 (D) SEMI-AUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING:
35 (I) A PISTOL GRIP OR A VERTICAL HANDGRIP;
36 (II) A FOLDING, TELESCOPING OR THUMBHOLE STOCK;
37 (III) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF FIVE ROUNDS; OR
38 (IV) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE;
39 (E) SHOTGUN WITH A REVOLVING CYLINDER;
40 (F) CONVERSION KIT, PART, OR COMBINATION OF PARTS, FROM WHICH AN
41 ASSAULT WEAPON CAN BE ASSEMBLED IF THOSE PARTS ARE IN THE POSSESSION OR
42 UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE SAME PERSON; OR
43 (G) MODIFICATIONS OF SUCH FEATURES, OR OTHER FEATURES, DETERMINED BY
44 RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE TO BE
45 PARTICULARLY SUITABLE FOR MILITARY AND NOT SPORTING PURPOSES. IN ADDI-
46 TION, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE SHALL, BY RULES AND REGU-
47 LATIONS, DESIGNATE SPECIFIC SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE OR RIMFIRE RIFLES
48 OR SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUNS, IDENTIFIED BY MAKE, MODEL AND MANUFACTURER`S
49 NAME, TO BE WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF ASSAULT WEAPON, IF THE SUPERINTEN-
50 DENT OF STATE POLICE DETERMINES THAT SUCH WEAPONS ARE PARTICULARLY SUIT-
51 ABLE FOR MILITARY AND NOT SPORTING PURPOSES. A LIST OF ASSAULT WEAPONS,
52 AS DETERMINED BY THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE, SHALL BE MADE
53 AVAILABLE ON A REGULAR BASIS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
54 PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY WEAPON THAT HAS
55 BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE.

A. 2466--A 3

1 S 3. Section 265.00 of the penal law is amended by adding three new
2 subdivisions 24, 25 and 26 to read as follows:
3 24. "DETACHABLE MAGAZINE" MEANS ANY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE, THE
4 FUNCTION OF WHICH IS TO DELIVER ONE OR MORE AMMUNITION CARTRIDGES INTO
5 THE FIRING CHAMBER, WHICH CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE FIREARM WITHOUT THE
6 USE OF ANY TOOL, INCLUDING A BULLET OR AMMUNITION CARTRIDGE.
7 25. "MUZZLE BRAKE" MEANS A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE MUZZLE OF A WEAPON
8 THAT UTILIZES ESCAPING GAS TO REDUCE RECOIL.
9 26. "MUZZLE COMPENSATOR" MEANS A DEVICE ATTACHED TO THE MUZZLE OF A
10 WEAPON THAT UTILIZES ESCAPING GAS TO CONTROL MUZZLE MOVEMENT.
11 S 4. Section 265.20 of the penal law is amended by adding a new subdi-
12 vision d to read as follows:
13 D. POSSESSION OF AN ASSAULT WEAPON ON PROPERTY OWNED OR IMMEDIATELY
14 CONTROLLED BY THE PERSON, OR WHILE ON THE PREMISES OF A LICENSED
15 GUNSMITH FOR THE PURPOSE OF LAWFUL REPAIR, OR WHILE ENGAGED IN THE LEGAL
16 USE OF THE ASSAULT WEAPON AT A DULY LICENSED FIRING RANGE, OR WHILE
17 TRAVELING TO OR FROM THESE LOCATIONS, BY A PERSON WHO LAWFULLY POSSESSED
18 SUCH WEAPON PRIOR TO JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND SEVEN AND WHO, PRIOR TO
19 APRIL FIRST, TWO THOUSAND SEVEN:
20 1. RENDERS THE ASSAULT WEAPON PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE; OR
21 2. SURRENDERS THE ASSAULT WEAPON TO THE APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT
22 AGENCY AS PROVIDED FOR IN SUBPARAGRAPH (F) OF PARAGRAPH ONE OF SUBDIVI-
23 SION A OF THIS SECTION; OR
24 3. REGISTERS THE ASSAULT WEAPON AS PROVIDED FOR IN SUBDIVISION SEVEN
25 OF SECTION THREE HUNDRED NINETY-SIX-FF OF THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW.
26 S 5. Subdivision 7 of section 396-ff of the general business law is
27 renumbered subdivision 8 and a new subdivision 7 is added to read as
28 follows:
29 (7) THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE SHALL NO LATER THAN JANUARY FIRST,
30 TWO THOUSAND SEVEN, PROMULGATE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE ADDITION OF
31 INFORMATION IDENTIFYING ASSAULT WEAPONS LAWFULLY POSSESSED PRIOR TO
32 JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND SEVEN TO THE DATABANK ESTABLISHED BY THIS
33 SECTION. SUCH RULES AND REGULATIONS SHALL, AT A MINIMUM, SPECIFY PROCE-
34 DURES BY WHICH THE OWNER OF AN ASSAULT WEAPON LAWFULLY POSSESSED PRIOR
35 TO JANUARY FIRST, TWO THOUSAND SEVEN IS TO DELIVER AN ASSAULT WEAPON AND
36 VERIFICATION OF A BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED BY 18 USC S 922 TO THE
37 REGIONAL PROGRAM FOR TESTING AND PROMPT RETURN. UPON RECEIPT OF THE
38 SEALED CONTAINER AND INSPECTION OF A CERTIFICATE PROVING THAT A BACK-
39 GROUND CHECK HAS BEEN CONDUCTED AND THE OWNER IS NOT PROHIBITED FROM
40 POSSESSING A FIREARM, THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE SHALL CAUSE TO BE
41 ENTERED IN THE AUTOMATED ELECTRONIC DATABANK PERTINENT DATA, INCLUDING
42 BALLISTIC INFORMATION RELEVANT TO IDENTIFICATION OF THE SHELL CASING AND
43 TO THE ASSAULT WEAPON FROM WHICH IT WAS DISCHARGED, AND THE DATE AND
44 PLACE OF THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO
45 CONDUCTED SUCH BACKGROUND CHECK.
46 S 6. Severability. If any provision or term of this act is for any
47 reason declared unconstitutional or invalid or ineffective by any court
48 of competent jurisdiction, such decision shall not affect the validity
49 or the effectiveness of the remaining portions of this act or any part
50 thereof.

Posted: 2/7/2006 7:44:39 PM EDT

[#17]

$5 says the original barrel shroud rule made it into there because of the TEC-9.

Posted: 2/7/2006 9:41:56 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
$5 says the original barrel shroud rule made it into there because of the TEC-9.

very possible... what idiots

Posted: 2/8/2006 12:24:27 PM EDT

[#19]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the shroud on the TEC-9 for heat dissipation and not for holding?

I've only seen a few people shoot a TEC-9 but they all gripped it with either one hand on the pistol grip and the other holding just above the magazine OR as you would grip any other pistol, two hands towards the pistol grip.