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Posted: 1/6/2006 9:50:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2006 6:56:47 PM EDT by JBravo223]
Can someone tack this?


From the NRA regarding NY AWB.



A 2466A, which seeks to drastically expand the state's ban on so-called "assault weapons" by adding pump action rifles and reduce the number of allowed features from two to zero. Additionally, the bill would give the State Police broad authority to designate additional firearms to be outlawed. Under the bill, those who wish to keep "banned" firearms lawfully possessed prior to January 1, 2007, must register them and have them tested for entry into the state's failed ballistic imaging program. Many of the guns affected by this bill are widely used in competitions and hunting. We anticipate swift action on these measures in the Assembly and also expect more anti-gun bills to come from the Democrat led Assembly. It is critical that you contact your lawmakers today and urge them to oppose A 9280 and A 2466A! Assembly members can be reached at (518) 455-4100, and State Senators can be reached at (518) 455-2800. We will keep you posted on other legislation as it is introduced.




Update - 1/9/2006

I emailed the the following question to the legislative director at NYS-RPA

What are your predictions for this year regarding control of the Senate, AWBs, etc... ?

response:


A lot depends upon who the Republicans nominate for the top of the
ticket. If it's Weld, people will stay home and we could be in big
trouble. There's a fight going on over which side, liberal or
conservative, will control the party when Pataki leaves. It's still
up in the air as far as I can tell. On the positive side, I think
John Spencer will get the nod against Hillary.

The liberal Democrats could have a big problem with Spitzer if Tom
Scouzzi decides to primary him. I think Scouzzi could take him out
which would be very good for us.


Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:48:44 AM EDT
From the NYSRPA Alert System:

A-9280, Requires the creation and imposition of restrictive
commercial practices and stringent recordkeeping and reporting to
prevent gun sales to criminals; requires liability insurance of at
least one million dollars; restricts premises of sales; imposes
additional license conditions.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a9280

Assembly Rules:

A-673A, Enacts the "Children's Weapon Accident Prevention Act";
creates crimes of failure to store a weapon safely in the first and
second degrees, aggravated failure to store a weapon, and criminally
negligent storage of a weapon in the first and second degrees;
provides affirmative defenses; directs the commissioner of education
to develop a weapons safety program.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a673

A-1170, Provides that a person who has been convicted of a felony
offense and who is issued a certificate of good conduct or relief
from disabilities shall not be entitled to obtain a firearm license
or to lawfully possess a rifle or shotgun.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a1170

A-2213, Provides for the submission by state and local law
enforcement authorities of expended projectiles and shell casings and
guns, found or otherwise coming into their possession, to the state
police pistol and revolver ballistic identification electronic
databank; requires the law enforcement agencies to make a record
thereof and submit within 30 days.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a2213

A-2302, Proscribes persons, firms or corporations engaged in the
retail business of selling firearms from selling, delivering or
transferring "child operated" firearms; defines "child operated"
firearm to mean a pistol or revolver manufactured 1 year after the
effective date of these provisions which does not contain a
childproofing device or mechanism incorporated into the design of
such pistol or revolver to effectively preclude an average 5 year old
from firing same.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a2302

A-2404,Requires the judge in a criminal proceeding or in a family
court proceeding, upon issuance of an order of protection, to inquire
as to the ownership of a firearm by the defendant or respondent.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a2402

A-2466A, Amends the definition of assault weapon to include
additional weapons; defines the terms "detachable magazine", "muzzle
break" and "muzzle compensator"; authorizes the division of state
police to promulgate rules and regulations for the addition of
information identifying assault weapons lawfully possessed prior to
January 1, 2006 to the pistol and revolver ballistic identification databank.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a2466

A-2837, Includes possession of armor piercing, frangible or
"devastator" ammunition as criminal possession of a weapon.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a2837

A-4471A, Prohibits the sale, use or possession of .50-caliber or
larger firearms.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a4471

A-9280, Requires the creation and imposition of restrictive
commercial practices and stringent recordkeeping and reporting to
prevent gun sales to criminals; requires liability insurance of at
least one million dollars; restricts premises of sales; imposes
additional license conditions.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=a9280



Jacob J. Rieper, Legislative Director
New York State Rifle & Pistol Association
http://www.nysrpa.org
http://www.rpa-pac.org
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:52:11 AM EDT
"A-2213, Provides for the submission by state and local law
enforcement authorities of expended projectiles and shell casings and
guns, found or otherwise coming into their possession, to the state
police pistol and revolver ballistic identification electronic
databank; requires the law enforcement agencies to make a record
thereof and submit within 30 days."


so does this mean if you have a good shoot defending your home, and the cops take your gun temporarily as per SOP, they're going to enter it into their database?
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 3:51:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
"A-2213, Provides for the submission by state and local law
enforcement authorities of expended projectiles and shell casings and
guns, found or otherwise coming into their possession, to the state
police pistol and revolver ballistic identification electronic
databank; requires the law enforcement agencies to make a record
thereof and submit within 30 days."


so does this mean if you have a good shoot defending your home, and the cops take your gun temporarily as per SOP, they're going to enter it into their database?



Sounds to me like they can haunt the ranges and then collect spent brass for their database.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 4:36:33 PM EDT
Why don't these people just get the hint and give up already.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:00:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Why don't these people just get the hint and give up already.



Because eventually these motherfu##ers will get their way and get our guns from us.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:46:26 PM EDT
A-2466A, Amends the definition of assault weapon to include
additional weapons; defines the terms "detachable magazine", "muzzle
break" and "muzzle compensator"; authorizes the division of state
police to promulgate rules and regulations for the addition of
information identifying assault weapons lawfully possessed prior to
January 1, 2006 to the pistol and revolver ballistic identification databank

The problem is getting a State Trooper to be able to identify an "assault weapon" in the first place.
I was pulled over for not using my directional one time, and when I told the Trooper I was carrying a hand gun and had my license on me he about lost it. After having me step out of my truck and place my hands on the hood he slowly retrieved my handgun from my coat pocket, the whole time he had his hand on his gun. Then I had to show him how to cross reference the ser# on my license to the pistol. He still asked me three times after that if the gun was illigal or stollen. I really wonder if I should even bother letting an officer know if I am armed next time unless he asks.

I called my assemblyman yesterday and left a message. I will try him back on Mon.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:14:03 PM EDT
[Because eventually these motherfu##ers will get their way and get our guns from us.
/quote]

I am really worried about this one. With the LEO shootings and everything going on around here. I am afraid this has a chance in the NYC area and maybe Nassau County. I am told thet UPSTATE holds some clout. I hope they could help defeat this. After all Shot Guns and Hunting Rifles are going to be hit.
All they want is to take ALL guns off this planet.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:28:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cowboyrick:
A-2466A, Amends the definition of assault weapon to include
additional weapons; defines the terms "detachable magazine", "muzzle
break" and "muzzle compensator"; authorizes the division of state
police to promulgate rules and regulations for the addition of
information identifying assault weapons lawfully possessed prior to
January 1, 2006 to the pistol and revolver ballistic identification databank

The problem is getting a State Trooper to be able to identify an "assault weapon" in the first place.
I was pulled over for not using my directional one time, and when I told the Trooper I was carrying a hand gun and had my license on me he about lost it. After having me step out of my truck and place my hands on the hood he slowly retrieved my handgun from my coat pocket, the whole time he had his hand on his gun. Then I had to show him how to cross reference the ser# on my license to the pistol. He still asked me three times after that if the gun was illigal or stollen. I really wonder if I should even bother letting an officer know if I am armed next time unless he asks.

I called my assemblyman yesterday and left a message. I will try him back on Mon.



That is messed up. Where in NY did this happen? I wisj NYS would become its own state that way the rest of us could live in peace.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:55:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2006 5:24:20 AM EDT by riese]
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Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:30:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By riese:

I know this has been asked before but what orginizations are on top of this that we can support?



Read the threads about NYSRPA and your gun rights being worth $20 a year.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 3:41:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cowboyrick:
I really wonder if I should even bother letting an officer know if I am armed next time unless he asks.



There is no requirement in NY to notify a LEO that you are armed as there is in some states. I would not say anything at a routine traffic stop. If I was asked to step out of the car I would say something at that point.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 9:18:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By edpmedic:
[Because eventually these motherfu##ers will get their way and get our guns from us.
/quote]

I am really worried about this one. With the LEO shootings and everything going on around here. I am afraid this has a chance in the NYC area and maybe Nassau County. I am told thet UPSTATE holds some clout. I hope they could help defeat this. After all Shot Guns and Hunting Rifles are going to be hit.
All they want is to take ALL guns off this planet.



The LEO shootings were totally overblown. Two in the whole year, but they make a huge deal out of it because they happened in a short span of time. Oh noes! I'm pretty sure that more died in car accidents of their own making.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 2:43:34 PM EDT
How will taking our rifles away from us also prevent cops being shot with revolvers and semi-auto pistols? There is no connection between the shootings and the gun ban proposal. It's just more gun grabbing by Silver and company.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 6:51:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2006 6:54:34 PM EDT by JBravo223]
Please see my update in the original post
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 2:01:33 PM EDT
I only have one question!

Where is the NRA!?

TL1
ARFCOM Team Member
NRA Member
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 2:30:18 PM EDT
I got the initial alert from the NRA.

The real question is

Where are all the NY Gun Owners?
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 3:04:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2006 3:05:25 PM EDT by cowboyrick]
I just got off the phone with Assemblyman Tom Kirwan. He said he voted against A2466A. He also stated that there were 41 votes against the bill and 89 for it. Tom believs that the bill will not even reach the Senate floor.

I am still trying to learn exactly how this works, but this sounds like pretty good news. From what I am gathering, this asault weapons bill will stay right where it is and most likely not go into effect.

Link Posted: 1/9/2006 3:16:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2006 3:17:57 PM EDT by Beltfed]



Where are all the NY Gun Owners?



Honestly, I only think a small % of NY gun owners are politically aware of what is going on with anti-gun legislation.

Seriously, I have gun owning friends who have never donated a $1, made a phone call, wrote a letter, or voted for a candidate using the 2nd amendment as a main reason. Trust me, I've said things before but it goes in one ear and out the other.

So while there are many NY gun owners, I don't think many are that passionate about the hobby.

I'm sure there are even people who are that don't do shit to help prevent future bullshit anti legislation.



Link Posted: 1/9/2006 3:28:42 PM EDT
The way the NY legislature works in passing law is the same way the federal congress works. Identicial bills must pass the asesembly and senate and be signed into law by the govenor. Right now the ONLY thing stoping these bills from becomming law is the state senate, lead by majority leader Bruno.


Originally Posted By cowboyrick:
I just got off the phone with Assemblyman Tom Kirwan. He said he voted against A2466A. He also stated that there were 41 votes against the bill and 89 for it. Tom believs that the bill will not even reach the Senate floor.

I am still trying to learn exactly how this works, but this sounds like pretty good news. From what I am gathering, this asault weapons bill will stay right where it is and most likely not go into effect.


Link Posted: 1/9/2006 3:37:19 PM EDT
So when would these laws be up for vote in the Senate?
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 4:36:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2006 4:36:46 PM EDT by Beltfed]
41 against and 89 for it!!!!!!!!!! Holy shit.

We are fucking doomed, maybe not this year.....but.
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 4:41:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cowboyrick:
So when would these laws be up for vote in the Senate?



They won't as long as Bruno blocks them in the Senate. You can expect all these bills to pass the Assembly and die in the Senate codes committee.

It is critical that the Republicans maintain majority control of the Senate in the upcoming Nov 2006 election. Now is the time to donate to the NY Republican Party and your local Assembly/Senate candidates. If you and other family members can donate time working for the campaign committees that would be as or more important then donating money.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 6:48:25 PM EDT
bump... mod please tack
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