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Posted: 6/22/2003 10:35:45 AM EDT
Please pardon my ignorance, but can a resident of New York State legally buy and own a pre-ban Colt ar15?
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 10:44:23 AM EDT
well if your a street gang member, (you know one who doesnt obey the law anyway) then i guess it doesnt reallly matter does it? hehehe


Honestly I do not know I'm just doggin ya.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 11:50:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 1:00:23 PM EDT
What about the Albany Rochester etc. rules?
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 1:47:37 PM EDT
When I was looking on the NRA's law summaries page, I think I saw something about Colt AR-15's (brand specific) being banned, but not all AR-type rifles eh. I am not sure if this applied to pre-ban rifles as well.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 6:55:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2003 6:58:09 PM EDT by sharky30]
I think the NY ban specifically names the Colt AR15, but if it is a pre 94 one it should be fine, and AR15 type rifles such as Bushmasters are still legal

this is from the definitions list of the weapons possessino law

22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an abil-
ity to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the follow-
ing characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
flash suppressor;
(v) a grenade launcher; or
(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following
characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds;
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
(c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics:
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the
pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash
suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encir-
cles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is
unloaded;
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm;
or
(d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
as:
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all
models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
Sweeper and Striker 12;


caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a68.html
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 7:11:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sharky30:
I think the NY ban specifically names the Colt AR15, but if it is a pre 94 one it should be fine, and AR15 type rifles such as Bushmasters are still legal

this is from the definitions list of the weapons possessino law

22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an abil-
ity to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the follow-
ing characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
flash suppressor;
(v) a grenade launcher; or
(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following
characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds;
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
(c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics:
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the
pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash
suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encir-
cles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is
unloaded;
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm;
or
(d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
as:
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all
models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
Sweeper and Striker 12;


caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a68.html



This is the NY State ban which mirrors the federal ban (but does not sunset). The New York City ban eliminates all semi-autos with even one forbidden feature whether or not it accepts a detachable magazine.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 12:48:14 PM EDT
Ar's are only prohibited in New York City. Upstate doesn't have any regulations more extreme than the fed laws. I recently purchased a pre-ban Colt in Rochester.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 1:26:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 1:46:39 PM EDT
AW bans are in effect for Albany, Buffalo and Rochester in addition to NYC. As Aimless said in some jurisdictions an AW is defined as a pistol with a >17 round magazine or a rifle with a >5 round magazine in addition to certain "named weapons."

Albany: www.nysrpa.org/chapter193-albany.pdf

Buffalo: www.nysrpa.org/chapter180-buffalo.pdf

Rochester: www.nysrpa.org/rochester.pdf
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 7:28:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/23/2003 7:30:09 PM EDT by chrisp929]

Originally Posted By Wave:
The quick and easy version:

Yes, unless you are a resident of the 5 buroughs(Queens, Kings, Richmond, Bronx, Manhattan) of New York City.



the quick and wrong version i think ..
i thought the 5 burrows are
brooklyn bronx manhattan queens and staten island in alphabetical order ..
last i knew anyway ..
richmond and the kings are part of the queens ... and the kings is a term rarely ever used anymore .. and only seen on maps .. anyway ..i could be wrong ..
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 7:44:07 PM EDT
good thing I don't actually live in Buffalo
thanks for the link


Originally Posted By rkbar15:
AW bans are in effect for Albany, Buffalo and Rochester in addition to NYC. As Aimless said in some jurisdictions an AW is defined as a pistol with a >17 round magazine or a rifle with a >5 round magazine in addition to certain "named weapons."

Albany: www.nysrpa.org/chapter193-albany.pdf

Buffalo: www.nysrpa.org/chapter180-buffalo.pdf

Rochester: www.nysrpa.org/rochester.pdf

Link Posted: 6/24/2003 2:27:21 PM EDT
There are 62 counties in the State of New York. The City of New York is comprised of Bronx County, Kings County, New York County, Richmond County and Queens County.

The corresponding Burroughs are The Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Staten Island and Queens.


Link Posted: 6/24/2003 11:39:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sharky30:

(d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
as:

(iv) Colt AR-15;



caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a68.html

This is the part that has bugged me since I read this in penal law years ago.... wouldn't any and all of our AR's (and AK's ) count as a "functioning frame or reciever". Even if it's not a Colt, it also specifically says "copies" as well. How do we get out of that one?
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 12:53:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wave:
The quick and easy version:

Yes, unless you are a resident of the 5 buroughs(Queens, Kings, Richmond, Bronx, Manhattan) of New York City.




Hey Wave! Just for the record, you're mixing your boroughs and your counties. You're gonna confuse the rural folks!

Manhattan = New York county
The Bronx = Bronx county
Queens = Queen's county
Brooklyn = King's county
Staten Island = Richmond county
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 12:56:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
There are 62 counties in the State of New York. The City of New York is comprised of Bronx County, Kings County, New York County, Richmond County and Queens County.

The corresponding Burroughs are The Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Staten Island and Queens.





Doh! I shoulda read the thread first, but I can't resist busting on Wave.

Also, I believe that ALL Colt AR15 and AR15A2 models (as rollmarked) are PREBAN. AFAIK, there are no rifles "named" that that are post ban...only Sporters, et. al.
Link Posted: 6/25/2003 1:32:48 PM EDT
I've had a similar thought


Originally Posted By NYPD_APO:

Originally Posted By sharky30:

(d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
as:

(iv) Colt AR-15;



caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a68.html



This is the part that has bugged me since I read this in penal law years ago.... wouldn't any and all of our AR's (and AK's ) count as a "functioning frame or reciever". Even if it's not a Colt, it also specifically says "copies" as well. How do we get out of that one?
Link Posted: 6/26/2003 5:56:41 PM EDT
Like they say keep away from the 5 Cesspool's and you will be ok. Nassau & Suffolk Counties also allow you to own them.
Link Posted: 7/5/2003 10:08:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By edpmedic:
Like they say keep away from the 5 Cesspool's and you will be ok. Nassau & Suffolk Counties also allow you to own them.

Aside from the city firearms laws not all of the CITY sucks.
Link Posted: 7/5/2003 10:40:20 AM EDT
Yeah right... Tell whats good about NYC?
Link Posted: 7/5/2003 10:59:03 AM EDT
Museums, medical facilities, zoos, restaurants, baseball stadiums, Broadway theatres, parks and historical areas/buildings to name only a few good things about NYC.
Link Posted: 7/5/2003 11:29:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
Museums, medical facilities, zoos, restaurants, baseball stadiums, Broadway theatres, parks and historical areas/buildings to name only a few good things about NYC.



1. Been to plenty of Museums.
2. Medical... Go to MN.
3. Dont like Zoos.
4. Resturants... not everyone has money to burn.
5. Baseball is only fun when your playing it.
6. Screw Broadway.
7. Parks? How about Adirondack State fucking Park.
8. Historical buildings... What about West Point, Fort Ticonderoga, Fort Stanwicks, and so on.

NYC is dirty, crowded, socialist etc.
Link Posted: 7/11/2003 10:52:29 AM EDT


NYC is dirty, crowded, socialist etc.



Rkbar never said that there weren't other places to see in NY state. He simply stated that NYC isn't as bad as many people make it out to be Personally, I enjoy visiting NYC a few times a year. I've been going there a few time each year for about 15 years and every time I go, I do and see different things.
Link Posted: 7/11/2003 4:10:50 PM EDT
Richmond County=Staten Island
Kings County=Brooklyn
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