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Posted: 12/26/2005 5:46:16 AM EDT
Is it legal to operate a motor vehicle on a public road in TX without a windshield?

Thanks.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 6:56:02 AM EDT
This has been debated on the jeep websites for some time.

The Texas statutes dont have anything, other than regulations about modifying, obstructing, damage, materials, etc.

My understanding is that it is legal. The state inspection process checks to see that you have wipers, and in good condition.....

Are you a member of any local jeep clubs?
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 7:40:52 AM EDT
Funny that you should guess it might be a Jeep...well it sort of is. On the last run at Halloween, I got a little too comfortable with rubbing the cage on trees, and the windshield frame/glass got "adjusted" in the process. That got me to thinking that it might be better to just pull the whole unit off; of course, that would include the wipers.

I am not a member of any Jeep clubs per se, but am definitely well entrenched in the Toyota offroad community, and have been for some time. My rig has as many Toyota and Chevy parts as it does Jeep.

Would any LEO's care to comment?
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 7:41:57 AM EDT
Just make sure you have wipers:

www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/TN/content/htm/tn.007.00.000547.00.htm#547.603.00
§ 547.603. WINDSHIELD WIPERS REQUIRED. A motor vehicle
shall be equipped with a device that is operated or controlled by
the operator of the vehicle and that cleans moisture from the
windshield. The device shall be maintained in good working
condition.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 7:46:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 7:47:37 AM EDT by Bulldawg]
This just pertains to newly-registered vehicles, it appears:

§ 547.608. SAFETY GLAZING MATERIAL
REQUIRED. (a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person who
sells or registers a new passenger-type motor vehicle, including a
passenger bus and school bus, shall equip the vehicle doors,
windows, and windshield with safety glazing material of a type
approved by the department.
(b) The requirements of Subsection (a) do not apply to a
glazing material in a compartment of a truck, including a
truck-tractor, that is not designed and equipped for a person to
ride in.
(c) A person may not replace or require the replacement of
glass in a door, window, or windshield of any motor vehicle if the
replacement is not made with safety glazing material.
(d) A person who sells or attaches to a motor vehicle a
camper manufactured or assembled after January 1, 1972, shall equip
the camper doors and windows with safety glazing material of a type
approved by the department. In this subsection "camper" means a
structure designed to:
(1) be loaded on or attached to a motor vehicle; and
(2) provide temporary living quarters for recreation,
travel, or other use.
(e) A person who sells imperfect safety glass for a door,
window, or windshield of a motor vehicle shall:
(1) label the glass "second," "imperfect," or by a
similar term in red letters at least one inch in size to indicate to
the consumer the quality of the glass;
(2) orally notify the consumer of each imperfection
and the possible result of using imperfect glass; and
(3) deliver written notice at the time of purchase
notifying the consumer of each imperfection and the possible result
of using imperfect glass.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:02:04 AM EDT
Federal standards... Not quite sure what this means:

www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/FMVSS/#SN212

Standard No. 212 - Windshield Mounting - Passenger Cars (Effective 1-1-70), Multipurpose Passenger Vehicles, Trucks, and Buses with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs.) or less (Effective 9-1-78)
This standard requires that, when tested as described, each windshield mounting must be anchored in place and retain one of two specified percentages of its periphery in a crash situation. The purpose of this standard is to keep vehicle occupants within the confines of the passenger compartment during a crash.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 12:22:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 12:25:12 PM EDT by Drewcoolness]
You don't have to have a windshield to pass inspection. But if you have the no windshield, you have to take off the wipers too. That question came up in inspection class.

ETA if you don't have a windshield you don't need something to clean the moisture off it.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 2:42:33 PM EDT
im a state inspector and as long as there isnt anything that will obstruct viewing you should be fine.


hence the need for wipers but with no glass wipers are not needed. but dont quote me look up a local dps office and ask them
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 3:38:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 3:42:42 PM EDT by Drewcoolness]
Nvm
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:26:31 PM EDT
I wouldnt pull YOU over for that. Officer Discretion.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:31:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Citabria7GCBC:
I wouldnt pull YOU over for that. Officer Discretion.



Discretion? Discretion? It is either against the law, or it isnt. If it ISNT against the law.... then there is no officer discretion.

I assume you mean... IF it is indeed against the law, you would not enforce that one?
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 12:07:00 PM EDT
Seeing that motorcycles are not required to have windshields, I don't see that one should be required on a Jeep. After all, if it is a safety thing, then motorcycles are not safe.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 12:56:49 PM EDT
Where do you put the inspection and license stickers w/o a winshield?
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 12:59:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 1:02:37 PM EDT by Drewcoolness]
well you can't actually give people the sticker so you pull it off the lil piece of paper its on and stick it on the back of it. So they have essentially an inspection card. Then you keep it in the glovebox.

And I don't know if there is a law against it or not. For some reason inspection requirments and laws don't always match up. For example the tint requirment is 25% +/- 2. But where I was inspecting them it was against the law to have anything under 35%.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 1:38:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AirCommando:
Seeing that motorcycles are not required to have windshields, I don't see that one should be required on a Jeep. After all, if it is a safety thing, then motorcycles are not safe.



Good thing that my wife didn't read this one; she has been pulled over twice for not wearing a seatbelt....the first time they let her off, I assume because she is generally nice and innocent; the second time, she asked, "Why do I need to wear a seatbelt if motorcyclists don't need to wear a helmet"...ticket.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 5:46:35 PM EDT
As with everything in Texas. It depends on the LEO and the county.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 5:55:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Txgunracer:
As with everything in Texas. It depends on the LEO and the county.



This makes no sense to me. It is either against the law, or it isnt.
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