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Posted: 12/14/2005 7:02:36 AM EDT
We just found out this weekend from Matt that the Frisco gun show held at the Embassy Suites Convention center was cancelled by the Embassy Suites manager because too many moms were complaining about the folks coming and going to the show carrying guns. They said their children were scared. I think it was the moms responsibility to teach their kidos that the people coming and going with their guns to the show were only excersizing their right to do so and it was perfectly legal. I don't know about you guys but I thought this was a beautiful facility to have a gun show and I am personally pissed. This is selective discrimination and I hope all of you that went to this show and helped support it will call or write the Embassy Suites in Frisco and lodge all kinds of complaints just like those moms did.
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DAMN IT ! THAT SUX !
Sounds like its time for an ARFcom Fire mission ! |
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Not completley suprised....living in Frisco myself, I see it turning into little West Plano everyday.
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Let's boycott that place...
Maybe we can organize a gun event/swap meet on a nearby empty property, wide open for all to see... hehe |
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If I where you, I'd change my username out of protest. Seriously, what a bunch of wimps. R. |
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+1 on that. McKinney is too... |
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+1 on the boycott |
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I'm not sure how the boycott will be effective, although deserved...
Frisco has few hotels, and Embassy's proximity to the mall/ballpark/ice rink and the nearby fortune 500 companies provides ample business. (I'm sure the Legacy Dr businesses povide over half of their revenue) Hard to make them feel any pain. |
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spread the word... I am sure your company might be the type of company to book rooms at that place... see what you can do to prevent that....
Also, maybe boycott the entire area, including the mall, as those soccer moms are all over the place. I doubt we'd make a dent though since there are so many like them... |
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+1 on boycott and informing embassy suites of the boycott. tell em to go fuck themselves.
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Two links to get yall started.....
www.dallasfrisco.embassysuites.com/ hammonshotels.com/dallas-frisco/ maybe a letter to the editor at the Frisco Star newspaper I have to get back to work.... will look at these later to see if I can write a message or several. P.S. The official name of the outfit that put on that show is "Classic Shows", right? |
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you realize that they may bring up the "ND" that happened on the 1st day, by a Glock Armorer, 12 minutes into the 1st show they had in Frisco... and that could be BAD news if they mention this to the media as another reason for dumping the show.... maybe we should tuck our tail between our legs and RUN! hehe j/k I don't know...
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Yes, but it's way out of my hands. Any hotel we use must be part of a national contract and that is negotiated by purchasing. Part of the buy our products and we'll use your hotel syndrome. BTW...for those that don't know, Embassy Suites is part of the Hilton family of hotels. |
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Yes, I realize that. I just emailed the organizers of www.classicshows.com to clarify and inviting them to join this discussion... but like Robbie said: too bad the moms couldnt have made it a learning experience for their kids. I too think that was the nicest show I've been to - ever! ETA: well, the address linked off www.classicshows.com gets bounced back as "unroutable". |
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+1 Bunch of yuppies anyway, take the SUV soccer moms and shove this ! Give me a friggin break ! How do you think this country was founded with a bunch of pussies saying dont use guns or knives and lets be passive and get our asses kicked.. |
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Right... |
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Oh, and another thought..... there's a mall over there that I was planning on dropping the wife off at... a letter to the mall mgmt letting them know they'll be missing some visits might be in order.... and isnt there a Trail Dust or something like that over in that area that we (as a group) woulda gone to???? Surely I'm not the only one with pretty much no other reason to go spend $$ in Frisco, than the nicest gunshow in the metroplex. :(
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just get a list of addresses of all the businesses in the area and post them here for all to send...
Texas Stardom restaurant is right across the street from the hotel in the mall parking lot... |
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Not anymore...that place shutdown. That's a tough location. |
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I think its about to get tougher :D... hehe |
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Well remember this - BOYCOTT Embassy Suites, not just the Frisco location!!! Just because it is an excellent location and the only hotel in Frisco, etc does not mean we cannot boycott the entire corporation!!!!!
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It's part of Hilton Hotels.
Here's a link to their customer service email page. embassysuites.hilton.com/en/es/feedback/index.jhtml;jsessionid=TDPQYSNQAZSJ2CSGBIU2VCQKIYFC3UUC It goes to Hilton Corporate. Embassy Suites may be anti-civil rights, not just the 2nd Amendment, but Hilton Hospitality Corp. may not be. Also, request that they call you in person or send a letter explaining what their actions are intended to do. mm |
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My email to them saying that I will never do business with them or their affiliates got a quick response!
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No surprise, can't say I blame them. A ND 15 minutes into the first-ever event was not a good "thanks for hosting us" message. Then with the poor parking layout, which makes 80% of the attendees walk through the hotel lobby as a opposed to the Convention Center entrance, is also not friendly. How many hotel guests do you think had guns pointed at them as a result of this? Probably a quite a few, and more than a couple of those guns were probably loaded. Easier to say good riddance to gun owners than to address the problems.
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Seems like most of Collin county has been over run by soccer Mom's and girlie men. Collin McKinney www.therestorationmovement.com/mckinney,_collin.htm must be rolling in his grave over what the county that bears his name and what this state has and is turning into.
There is no place in Grayson county big enough to have a show anywhere. There was talk of a show in one of the hangars at Grayson County Airport but from what I understand that has been shot down. It's a shame because a show in this area would draw a large crowd. |
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Matt will be having a new show in Denton, he said it was a huge place, also.
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I work for a Hilton franchise..... Hilton Hotels is ANTI-GUN wouldnt have a problem believing the GM of the hotel may have been pressed by corporate after 1 complaint letter..to drop a gunshow in their space. GM PROBABLY covering his ass with the soccor mom excuse... believe Hilton gives money to Brady and others every year..saw it on a website somewhere, know it exists, the site researchs this and posts it, I have also seen it in hotel trade magazines being mentioned.. |
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Didn't know that. My gold Hilton card just hit the trash can. Looking forward to a Denton show. |
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That's good but you need to write or call Hilton and let them know why the card hit the can. This discrimination of the gun community is never going to stop until we ALL stand up to them and refuse to support the anti gunners. |
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Here's a draft of the letter to the editor (they like it under 300 words). I intend to send a copy to the mall and embassy suites as well.... and perhaps the Chamber of Commerce.
Probably won't do any good, but it'll make ME feel better... and that's what's really important! |
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Well, I think the letter is excellent and hope more guys like you do the same. Thanks, Robbie |
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Well, I sent my letter to the editor, and copies to stonebriar mall, embassy suites and select members of the Frisco Chamber. I have had one cryptic reply.... from someone at embassy suites.... here it is (name witheld, cuz I didnt get their permission to post their message):
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It all boils down to money...the balance in this area is tilted to the soccer moms so companies will bow to them.
The same year Stonebriar Mall opened, Frisco's tax roll increased 80%... Compare that business to what a couple of gun shows bring and you can see there is no priority to keep the gun shows and perceived issues that follow them... I have a big problem with it, but it's reality....too many non-natives around here. |
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I figured the first thing they would mention would be the discharge... |
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So did I... hence my reference to auto-accidents and peewee football injuries in the letter. Probably, some other "conference" panicked and threatened to pull their business. P.S. just got mail from Frisco Visitors/Conventions Bureau... they'll talk to Embassy Suites too. |
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So why do you have a big problem with it? It's a buisnessman making a business decision. If you owned stock in one of these companies and they were losing money because they allowed a gun show, would you be happy with that ? You are correct, it comes down to money. That's what capitalisim is all about. Don't get me wrong. I will REALLY miss this show as I live just down the street. |
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Hey, Ed... worked out your anger issues against paint cans yet? (just kidding) You are absolutely right, but when you boil it down even further (and I think this is what frisco is talking about) its that the capitalist model gets turned on its head when a few folks get hysterical about us "gun nuts". I frankly don't care if they have a convention for "people who roll their turds into little balls" (Ron White) or anything else that is not against the law. I sure as heck wouldn't begrudge folks I think are "weird" from having a convention. But it is especially annoying when newcomers arrive and try to declare those they find there as "so weird, they shoudnt be allowed to do that". These newcomers are usually liberals who do stuff like bemoan the treatment of "Indians" by the (then) newcomer WhiteMan. Pot, Kettle.... Now, if they held a "rapists" convention, or hosted a "Hizbollah" convention, THEN I'd have a huge problem. But face it: we're law abiding folks with an interest in a particular lawful activity, and we shouldn't be denied our "pursuit of happiness". sidenote: over 10 years ago, my sister's wedding night was almost ruined when the hotel they were staying at also had a Gay/Lesbian convention at the same time. The G/L folks were jeering at the newlyweds and knocked on their door at all hours of the nite. She faulted not the hotel, but the rudeness of the G/L community. As it turns out, the Best-Man made a call, and the hotel greeted them upon their return from their Alaska cruise honeymoon with a limo and a free night's stay. (she's a big anti-gun liberal, but on THIS (right to be weird as long as you don't impose it on me), I agree with her). I hope there was no 'rudeness' from the gunowning community that lead to this, or otherwise helped solidify it. And finally... I've exchanged Email with the GM of Embassy Suites, and he was not aware of any "mothers of scared kids". He invited me to call him after the holidays (and gave me his direct #). If I'm as fired up about this next year as I am right now, I'll give him a shout. |
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I was waiting at a red light a couple of years ago on hwy 121 in front of the mall when my van was hit in the rear by a huge suv driven by a SOCCER MOM who at the time was talking on her cell phone.
That area (Frisco) is overrun with them!!! |
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Fixed it for you. wganz ¶ |
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I shot with your son today. Took me a minute to make the connections between his and your screen name. |
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Hey, Ed... worked out your anger issues against paint cans yet? (just kidding And finally... I've exchanged Email with the GM of Embassy Suites, and he was not aware of any "mothers of scared kids". He invited me to call him after the holidays (and gave me his direct #). If I'm as fired up about this next year as I am right now, I'll give him a shout. That's because the GM either doesn't do the booking of conventions and did not deal with the mommies or he could be fibbing. Whoever did the booking for the gun shows is no longer there and he's the one who said the mommies were complaining. He also is the one who assured Matt that there was no problem after the discharge. Then came the new booking person or GM. Actually, they didn't say there would be no more gun shows. They simply said the price of booking the room would be 5 times the cost of the last show. What do you think, selective discrimination? |
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