Quoted: Oh that's it..you expect government to look after your interests!!! Duh!

But like I said before, I wold rather that the government did nothing.  I'd also rather that they didn't take my money.  But I'm not going to get that.  Next best thing is to have them direct some of my money back my way.

Do you really believe that or is this just a party affiliation thing.

I am not now nor have I ever been a member of the Democratic Party, if that's what you mean.  I have never voted for any democratic candidate in any national election, although I'll admit that I've voted against a few Republicans in some state and local elections.  Like that carpetbaggin' David Dewhurst, for instance.

My interest would be well served in your example for the shipper to do business where he wants, with the best price he can get....see no government involvement..

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the government did its own shipping when it sends its military stuff overseas.  That's why I picked that example.  

The shipper ain't the representative or the senator...let business do business...I didn't say democrap, I said party. The repubs and the dems seem to think that we can't take a piss without them...they can all take a long walk off a short pier.

Quoted: BTW--  I'm really just a from DU trying to get my post count up over 1000 so y'all will take mer seriously whe I say guns are bad. Guns are bad.  Mmmkay? You shouldn't own guns because if you own them you're bad, because guns are bad, mmmkay? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

 Stop changing subject, will ya?

 BTW, I agree with some of what you said and disagree on others.  So we just leave it at that.

Quoted: Quoted: BTW--  I'm really just a from DU trying to get my post count up over 1000 so y'all will take mer seriously whe I say guns are bad. Guns are bad.  Mmmkay? You shouldn't own guns because if you own them you're bad, because guns are bad, mmmkay? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....  Stop changing subject, will ya?  BTW, I agree with some of what you said and disagree on others.  So we just leave it at that.

Leave it at that?  But I've only racked up 21 posts on this thread (22 now).  How am I ever going to get to 1000 if we just "leave it at that"?

Wait a minute...I am a "Card Carrying, Registered Democrat"! What the heck is going on here?

I don't vote for the party I vote for the man! or woman if that is the case!

BigDozer66

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: BTW--  I'm really just a from DU trying to get my post count up over 1000 so y'all will take mer seriously whe I say guns are bad. Guns are bad.  Mmmkay? You shouldn't own guns because if you own them you're bad, because guns are bad, mmmkay? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....  Stop changing subject, will ya?  BTW, I agree with some of what you said and disagree on others.  So we just leave it at that. Leave it at that?  But I've only racked up 21 posts on this thread (22 now).  How am I ever going to get to 1000 if we just "leave it at that"?

 Well, you know the routine:  +1

Outside we keep seeing your Dems running out of state to keep this redistricting from proceeding....

Are any of these Reps arfcommers Reps?

Does TX have regs regarding their job performance? Attendance?

Can any of you file subpoenas? Recalls?

Isnt there anything that can be done to get the three yr olds to do their jobs.

I cant believe this is a legal maneuver, seems like a very dangerous precident to our legislative system. If outnumbered, run!

Edited to add;

Does this apply?

The Texas Constitution Article 3 - LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT Section 13 - VACANCIES; WRITS OF ELECTION (a) When vacancies occur in either House, the Governor, or the person exercising the power of the Governor, shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies; and should the Governor fail to issue a writ of election to fill any such vacancy within twenty days after it occurs, the returning officer of the district in which such vacancy may have happened, shall be authorized to order an election for that purpose. (b) The legislature may provide by general law for the filling of a vacancy in the legislature without an election if only one person qualifies and declares a candidacy in an election to fill the vacancy.

Is this why they ran?

Article 3 - LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT Section 15 - DISRESPECTFUL OR DISORDERLY CONDUCT; OBSTRUCTION OF PROCEEDINGS Each House may punish, by imprisonment, during its sessions, any person not a member, for disrespectful or disorderly conduct in its presence, or for obstructing any of its proceedings; provided, such imprisonment shall not, at any one time, exceed forty-eight hours

From this these guys are NOT doing their jobs...

Section 58 - SEAT OF GOVERNMENT The Legislature shall hold its sessions at the City of Austin, which is hereby declared to be the seat of government

Do the "R's" have 2/3rds?

Article 3 - LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT Section 11 - RULES OF PROCEDURE; EXPULSION OF MEMBER Each House may determine the rules of its own proceedings, punish members for disorderly conduct, and, with the consent of two-thirds, expel a member, but not a second time for the same offense.

Both sides have the legal mandate to "serve thereafter for the full term ", they cant serve In Absentia, can they?

And CV rocks with the relevant documents....

Quoted: Quoted: Are you a RINO? Not at all.  I've had all I can take of the Republican party, and I have no desire to be associated with it name or in any other way.  They've proven themselves to be whores for big business and insurance interests with strong imperailist leanings.  They're almost as bad as the Democrats.

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Fortunately enough, we don't have to worry about what would happen if the "shoe were on the other foot?" Do you know why? Because THE PEOPLE wanted Republicans in office. Of course, the Democrats don't like that, do they? No, they want to force their minority, leftist agenda down the throats of the majority of the people in Texas. Then they tell us that THEY'RE the ones for "democracy."

Quoted: Outside we keep seeing your Dems running out of state to keep this redistricting from proceeding.... Are any of these Reps arfcommers Reps? Does TX have regs regarding their job performance? Attendance? Can any of you file subpoenas? Recalls? Isnt there anything that can be done to get the three yr olds to do their jobs. I cant believe this is a legal maneuver, seems like a very dangerous precident to our legislative system. If outnumbered, run! Edited to add; Does this apply? The Texas Constitution Article 3 - LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT Section 13 - VACANCIES; WRITS OF ELECTION (a) When vacancies occur in either House, the Governor, or the person exercising the power of the Governor, shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies; and should the Governor fail to issue a writ of election to fill any such vacancy within twenty days after it occurs, the returning officer of the district in which such vacancy may have happened, shall be authorized to order an election for that purpose. (b) The legislature may provide by general law for the filling of a vacancy in the legislature without an election if only one person qualifies and declares a candidacy in an election to fill the vacancy. Is this why they ran? Article 3 - LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT Section 15 - DISRESPECTFUL OR DISORDERLY CONDUCT; OBSTRUCTION OF PROCEEDINGS Each House may punish, by imprisonment, during its sessions, any person not a member, for disrespectful or disorderly conduct in its presence, or for obstructing any of its proceedings; provided, such imprisonment shall not, at any one time, exceed forty-eight hours From this these guys are NOT doing their jobs... Section 58 - SEAT OF GOVERNMENT The Legislature shall hold its sessions at the City of Austin, which is hereby declared to be the seat of government Do the "R's" have 2/3rds? Article 3 - LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT Section 11 - RULES OF PROCEDURE; EXPULSION OF MEMBER Each House may determine the rules of its own proceedings, punish members for disorderly conduct, and, with the consent of two-thirds, expel a member, but not a second time for the same offense. Both sides have the legal mandate to "serve thereafter for the full term ", they cant serve In Absentia, can they?

None of this has anything to do with it.  

Art. 3 sec. 13 (vacancies) doesn't apply because the offices aren't vacant.  They'd have to die or resign or impeached or something.

Art. 3 sec. 15 (disorderly conduct) doesn't apply because they didn't show up.  Legally, you have to be there to disrupt or obstruct.  And you have to have a quorum to do anything about it.

Art. 3 sec. 58 (seat of government) just says where the Legislature meets.  It doesn't require attendance or provide penalties for non-attendance.  

Art. 3 sec. 11 (expulsion) could be applied if there was a quorum, but it wouldn't because they couldn't get the 2/3 vote needed.

As for a requirement that they serve their full term--  There's no general requirement that a legislator show up for work.  Politicians skip out on meetings and miss votes all the time.

The only relevant provision is Art. 3 sec. 10:

Two-thirds of each House shall constitute a quorum to do business, but a smaller number may adjourn from day to day, and compel the attendance of absent members, in such manner and under such penalties as each House may provide.

They didn't show up because there are enough of them to keep the Republicans from getting a quorum and thus keep them from passing any legislation.  They left the state because as long as they're in Texas because they can be arrested and compelled to attend as long as they're in the state.

Quoted:  Well, you know the routine:  +1

I'd say +1 too, but I'm afraid I'd get the thread locked.

Quoted: Quoted:  Well, you know the routine:  +1 I'd say +1 too, but I'm afraid I'd get the thread locked.

On the other hand, that might not be such a bad idea.   +1

Damn.. I go out of town for a few days and yall are having a flame war with out me. Even though we all know it's BS that they can run from their job just cause they don't like it, and about to get screwed over. Hell... I'm sure most of us have been screwed over at work a few times and we either took it like a man or quit. I just find it crapy the fact they're saying it's alright to run from your job when you got a problem and hault all work. I think they should get fired on the spot for doing crap like this. Is there anyway to get these guys fired or kicked out?

Lighten up, Sparsky.  This is the SECOND special session this year.  Their $7200 per year salary is only supposed to cover one regular session every two years.

Quoted: Outside we keep seeing your Dems running out of state to keep this redistricting from proceeding.... Are any of these Reps arfcommers Reps? Does TX have regs regarding their job performance? Attendance? Can any of you file subpoenas? Recalls? Isnt there anything that can be done to get the three yr olds to do their jobs. I cant believe this is a legal maneuver, seems like a very dangerous precident to our legislative system. If outnumbered, run! Edited to add; Does this apply? The Texas Constitution Article 3 - LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT Section 13 - VACANCIES; WRITS OF ELECTION (a) When vacancies occur in either House, the Governor, or the person exercising the power of the Governor, shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies; and should the Governor fail to issue a writ of election to fill any such vacancy within twenty days after it occurs, the returning officer of the district in which such vacancy may have happened, shall be authorized to order an election for that purpose. (b) The legislature may provide by general law for the filling of a vacancy in the legislature without an election if only one person qualifies and declares a candidacy in an election to fill the vacancy. Is this why they ran? Article 3 - LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT Section 15 - DISRESPECTFUL OR DISORDERLY CONDUCT; OBSTRUCTION OF PROCEEDINGS Each House may punish, by imprisonment, during its sessions, any person not a member, for disrespectful or disorderly conduct in its presence, or for obstructing any of its proceedings; provided, such imprisonment shall not, at any one time, exceed forty-eight hours From this these guys are NOT doing their jobs... Section 58 - SEAT OF GOVERNMENT The Legislature shall hold its sessions at the City of Austin, which is hereby declared to be the seat of government Do the "R's" have 2/3rds? Article 3 - LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT Section 11 - RULES OF PROCEDURE; EXPULSION OF MEMBER Each House may determine the rules of its own proceedings, punish members for disorderly conduct, and, with the consent of two-thirds, expel a member, but not a second time for the same offense. Both sides have the legal mandate to "serve thereafter for the full term ", they cant serve In Absentia, can they?

 CV.  This is the second time TX Dems doing this.  The first time was about several weeks ago, I think.  

 They went to Oklahoma to hide the first time.  DPS troopers were sent to escort them back to TX, IIRC.

This is actually the third time.  It happend 30 years ago too.

Quoted: This is actually the third time.  It happend 30 years ago too.

Son-ofa-bitch...

If nothing else, they need to be met at the border by TExans with signs (And media) saying something like...

You abandoned your post, you dont need to come back

Wouldn't it be great to see that motel surrounded by Texans with signs saying "Go home and get to work", tieing up traffic ect.  

Just who are the ones who ran, anyone have thier names?? fullclip

his However, I also firmly believe that party politics is killing this country. I refuse to follow any political platform that is based on restricting my personal freedoms. (that's repb. and dem.) It all boils down to the fact that the political platforms are are so far apart. "Big Buisness" or "Wellfare Mothers". Give me a freakining break. Speaking of freaks. Ross Perot had the right idea. Untill this country finds a third party to follow, we will always see one side fight the other based on the party line. I wish all politicians had to fill out a little personal profile and put that on the ballot box.
Where do you stand on Gun control?
What about abortion? Prayer in schools? Education reform? Income tax? Death penalty? Well fare? Corprate tax breaks? Maybe if they had to stand on each issue individualy instead of the party platform, we might find represenitives who actually represent the constiuants who ellect them. You might also get more people to vote.
Please forgive my rant. I am just a dumb ass high scool drop out who was to dumb to go to college and not have to work for a living. Damn that rock and roll lifestyle! And feel free to flame anything I say that you don't agree with, but judge me by the context of my words and not the spelling please. I didn't get all of my edgeamication done.

And what a waste of my 38th post!!

And your 39th!

JohnThe(is there room for one more at the Marriott in Albuquerque)Texican

Fact:  Republicans are under-represented in the US House due to Democratic gerrymandering.

Fact:  Republicans have put up with Democratic gerrymandering for 130+ years.

Fact:  Anyone with an IQ above 50 knew that the Dem's would run.  Both times.  

Why are Republicans always so stupid?  At the national level, how many Democratic presidents appoint conservatives to the SCOTUS?  Zero.  Why do Republicans appoint liberals to SCOTUS?  I have no freaking idea.  Why do Republicans think the Dems will stick around for their well deserved beating in Texas?  Golly gee Gomer, I dunno.  

Unless Perry and Dewhurst pull something amazing out of their butts, then I will continue to be ashamed to have voted for such simple minded politicians.

The Dems are already painting this as "Repubs hate minorities."  This is like setting a trap for yourself, and then acting suprised when you are caught by it.

Quoted: I don't know if this is a good idea, but what the hell. I agree with John. I am glad they left, and I think that is the best way to do thier job as it IS the same as a filabuster. However, I also firmly believe that party politics is killing this country. I refuse to follow any political platform that is based on restricting my personal freedoms. (that's repb. and dem.) It all boils down to the fact that the political platforms are are so far apart. "Big Buisness" or "Wellfare Mothers". Give me a freakining break. Speaking of freaks. Ross Perot had the right idea. Untill this country finds a third party to follow, we will always see one side fight the other based on the party line. I wish all politicians had to fill out a little personal profile and put that on the ballot box. Where do you stand on Gun control? What about abortion? Prayer in schools? Education reform? Income tax? Death penalty? Well fare? Corprate tax breaks? Maybe if they had to stand on each issue individualy instead of the party platform, we might find represenitives who actually represent the constiuants who ellect them. You might also get more people to vote. Please forgive my rant. I am just a dumb ass high scool drop out who was to dumb to go to college and not have to work for a living. Damn that rock and roll lifestyle! And feel free to flame anything I say that you don't agree with, but judge me by the context of my words and not the spelling please. I didn't get all of my edgeamication done.

 Nothing is wrong with speaking your mind, and discuss the issue, instead od trying to put each other down.  So no flame from me.

 For me, the issue is running away.
 The Dem did this for 100 yrs or so, and I didn't see the other party running?  

 Now, they set a dangerous precedent.  The next thing you seeing is the Rep party would do the same, and nothing would get done at state level.  
 Guess what it boils down to?  It hurts the taxpayers who foot the money so they can play politics.

Quoted: JohnThe(is there room for one more at the Marriott in Albuquerque)Texican

I wish I could.  I desperately need some time off work.  Besides, since they're all well-to-do Dems and not uptight prudish Repubs, there'd probably be plenty of booze and babes.  Count me in.

Quoted: Now, they set a dangerous precedent.  The next thing you seeing is the Rep party would do the same, and nothing would get done at state level.

You say that like it's a bad thing.  Have you really thought this through?

Actually, the precedent has been set, since two weeks ago democrats in the US House ran out of a committee meeting and hung out in an adjacent room (remember Pelosi on TV).  The head of the committee (Thomas) called the Capitol Police to bring them back in, but got his pee-pee spanked for 'strongarming'.  Whatever.

Since the democrats have been getting in some sightseeing for other states, I say that when Governor Perry calls yet another session, we actually form up on the Texas/Louisiana border and stop them from running.

Oh, and during the first special session, when they did stay, the measure for redistricting did not pass.  Weren't there even a couple of republicans who voted against redistricting?  Sounds far from being 'outvoted' to me.

Oh, and those maps don't mean much to me when there isn't a legend to them.

-Zmeja