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Posted: 9/2/2010 6:18:56 AM EDT
Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles

By Maxim Lott

Published September 01, 2010

The South Korean government, in an effort to raise money for its military, wants to sell nearly a million antique M1 rifles that were used by U.S. soldiers in the Korean War to gun collectors in America.

The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

"The transfer of such a large number of weapons –– 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines –– could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes," the spokesman told FoxNews.com.

"We are working closely with our Korean allies and the U.S. Army in exploring alternative options to dispose of these firearms."


"Guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety," said Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "Even though they are old, these guns could deliver a great amount of firepower. So I think the Obama administration's concerns are well-taken."

But gun rights advocates point out that possessing M1 rifles is legal in the United States –– M1s are semi-automatics, not machine guns, meaning the trigger has to be pulled every time a shot is fired –– and anyone who would buy a gun from South Korea would have to go through the standard background check.

"Any guns that retail in the United States, of course, including these, can only be sold to someone who passes the National Instant Check System," said David Kopel, research director at the conservative Independence Institute. "There is no greater risk from these particular guns than there is from any other guns sold in the United States."

M1 carbines can hold high-capacity ammunition clips that allow dozens of rounds to be fired before re-loading, but Chris Cox, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, noted that is true about any gun in which an ammunition magazine can be inserted –– including most semi-automatics.

"Anything that accepts an external magazine could accept a larger capacity magazine," Cox said.

"But the average number of rounds fired in the commission of a crime is somewhere between 1 and 2 … this issue just shows how little the administration understands about guns."

He called the administration's decision "a de facto gun ban, courtesy of Hillary Clinton's State Department."

Asked why the M1s pose a threat, the State Department spokesman referred questions to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. ATF representatives said they would look into the question Monday afternoon, but on Wednesday they referred questions to the Justice Department. DOJ spokesman Dean Boyd referred questions back to the State Department.

According to the ATF Guidebook on Firearms Importation, it would normally be legal to import the M1s because they are more than 50 years old, meaning they qualify as "curios or relics." But because the guns were given to South Korea by the U.S. government, they fall under a special category that requires permission from the State Department before any sale.

Kopel said that he hopes the State Department spokesman's statement that it is working to "dispose" of the guns does not mean they want to melt them down.

"It seems to have this implication of destruction, which would be tremendously wasteful," he said. "These are guns that should be in the hands of American citizens for marksmanship and safety training."

Asked whether melting the guns down would be a good option, Henigan said: "Why let them into the country in the first place? If there is a legally sufficient way to keep them out, we think it's perfectly reasonable to do so."

Past administrations have also grappled with the issue of large-scale gun imports.

The Clinton administration blocked sales of M1s and other antiquated military weapons from the Philippines, Turkey and Pakistan. It also ended the practice of reselling used guns owned by federal agencies, ordering that they be melted down instead.

In contrast, 200,000 M1 rifles from South Korea were allowed to be sold in the U.S. under the Reagan administration in 1987.

A decision like that would be better for everyone, Cox said.

"M1s are used for target practice. For history buffs, they're highly collectible. We're going to continue to make sure that this backdoor effort that infringes not only on lawful commerce but on the Second Amendment is rectified."

Henigan disagrees.

"They clearly were used as military guns, and the fact that they likely can take high-capacity magazines makes them a special safety concern," he said.

The White House referred questions on the issue to the Pentagon, which referred questions to the U.S. Embassy in South Korea, which deferred back to the State Department.

Link Posted: 9/2/2010 7:14:13 AM EDT
Well, there's a surprise. There are actually some meatheads around here and other boards who actually thought this jug-eared asshole wasn't going to screw gun owners because he hadn't done it yet. I wonder if they get it now.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 1:29:20 PM EDT
They'll probably sell them for scrap & there goes another piece of history into the crucible right along with our constitution.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 1:36:03 PM EDT
My buddy bought one of those M1's about 25 years ago.Total pos those Koreans must have ran cleaning rods down the muzzle for 30 years, his rifle had no rifiling at the crown, the bullets would tumble out past 50 yrds.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 2:17:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 2:53:19 PM EDT
I wonder if that guy knew they were going to put that saying across his picture. If he did, he's even dumber than he looks.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 3:21:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jameshartman123:
My buddy bought one of those M1's about 25 years ago.Total pos those Koreans must have ran cleaning rods down the muzzle for 30 years, his rifle had no rifiling at the crown, the bullets would tumble out past 50 yrds.


Really? The one I got back in 1988 was in excellent shape for the price. I paid $279.00 for it and the barrel was a 3 on my TE gauge. The stock was a bit rough but held a 2" group at 100 yards.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 4:54:28 PM EDT
He bought it from Harrys in Robbinsville, he still has it really light grey parkerizing imported by I think Blue Sky or something like that.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:35:52 PM EDT
It won't matter if its a good shooter, poor shooter, or NM.
After the All Mighty says "NO" you can bet Soros will send one of his Ghouls over to have them turned into paper weights.

Even if they manage to get them imported there will be all kinds of stipulations attached, it breaks my heart when I see an old Thompson cut in half because a certain Alphabet agency deems an import even though it's clearly made in the U.S.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:48:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jameshartman123:
He bought it from Harrys in Robbinsville, he still has it really light grey parkerizing imported by I think Blue Sky or something like that.


Correct. Blue Sky imported the M1 Garand and M1 Carbine back then from Korea.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 6:11:58 AM EDT
We gave them the guns and now they want to sell them, how about they just give them back to the CMP for sale , not that we can buy the carbines ,but the CMP just announced no more carbines are left except for auctions.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 11:56:00 AM EDT
Every American is "Duty Bound" to have three Firearms


Ar15
1911
M-1 Garand

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:37:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Every American is "Duty Bound" to have three Firearms


Ar15
1911
M-1 Garand

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn245/iggyort/Picture025.jpg


What no M97 Trench Gun?
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:32:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Every American is "Duty Bound" to have three Firearms


Ar15
1911
M-1 Garand

Can I substitute an M1A for the Garand, and still get a passing grade?


Link Posted: 9/3/2010 2:38:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tom488:
Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Every American is "Duty Bound" to have three Firearms


Ar15
1911
M-1 Garand

Can I substitute an M1A for the Garand, and still get a passing grade?




Nope.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 3:02:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Originally Posted By Tom488:
Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Every American is "Duty Bound" to have three Firearms


Ar15
1911
M-1 Garand

Can I substitute an M1A for the Garand, and still get a passing grade?




Nope.


Go buy a M-1 Garand
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 5:37:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Iggyort:

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Originally Posted By Tom488:
Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Every American is "Duty Bound" to have three Firearms


Ar15
1911
M-1 Garand

Can I substitute an M1A for the Garand, and still get a passing grade?




Nope.


Go buy a M-1 Garand


Thinking about selling off my DPMS just to have a Garand. LRs will be around for a while but Garand supplies will dry up at some point.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 6:56:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tom488:
Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Every American is "Duty Bound" to have three Firearms


Ar15
1911
M-1 Garand

Can I substitute an M1A for the Garand, and still get a passing grade?




This is where I am also.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:10:31 PM EDT
Got all 3
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 3:26:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By YoungFrankenstien856:
Originally Posted By Iggyort:

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Originally Posted By Tom488:
Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Every American is "Duty Bound" to have three Firearms


Ar15
1911
M-1 Garand

Can I substitute an M1A for the Garand, and still get a passing grade?




Nope.


Go buy a M-1 Garand


Thinking about selling off my DPMS just to have a Garand. LRs will be around for a while but Garand supplies will dry up at some point.
FAIL!!!

Remember, "You are in the business of buying guns, not selling guns"

Off to work !!!!

Link Posted: 9/4/2010 5:56:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Iggyort:

Originally Posted By YoungFrankenstien856:
Originally Posted By Iggyort:

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Originally Posted By Tom488:
Originally Posted By Iggyort:
Every American is "Duty Bound" to have three Firearms


Ar15
1911
M-1 Garand

Can I substitute an M1A for the Garand, and still get a passing grade?




Nope.


Go buy a M-1 Garand


Thinking about selling off my DPMS just to have a Garand. LRs will be around for a while but Garand supplies will dry up at some point.
FAIL!!!

Remember, "You are in the business of buying guns, not selling guns"

Off to work !!!!



But I reallllly want one...
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:47:30 AM EDT
I find this totally unacceptable.
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