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Posted: 4/4/2006 1:09:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/5/2006 6:22:15 AM EDT by streetfighter]
I'll be there

Carbine tricked and finished at last (well almost)

Link Posted: 4/4/2006 1:48:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 1:54:02 PM EDT
Sorry, not this weekend, I'm off to Bisley for the high power.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 3:05:18 PM EDT
I'll be there, possibly picking up Alan C. and Reecy on the way....... Not confirmed yet!
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 10:24:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
Don't you mean sunday?



Sorry Mark, quite right Sunday
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 10:08:37 AM EDT
Anyone got a COF for this shoot? Not had anything yet?
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 10:10:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 10:12:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bunnyassassin:
Anyone got a COF for this shoot? Not had anything yet?



IM inbound

Link Posted: 4/7/2006 11:36:51 AM EDT
Sorry, new Highpower toys to try!
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 5:28:39 PM EDT
Cheers Pep, see you there....... Now anyone want to have a go at fixin the scoreboard.....?

Dave (the cheated)
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 1:15:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 4:44:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/8/2006 4:44:39 AM EDT by Bunnyassassin]
The PR Scoreboard

I should be top, but Mr Beard has double tapped my name, Oakies too....
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 12:36:36 PM EDT
Make best of it Dave

coz in Marks imortal (should be mortal ) words.

Your going down
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 1:01:34 PM EDT
Apparently not just yet!



Link Posted: 4/9/2006 1:05:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 4:02:49 AM EDT
Oaky won, I came 5th.....

.... Don't know when or where the next shoot is, but need to get some SR under the belt I think...
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:50:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 10:25:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By Bunnyassassin:
Oaky won,



Hmmmmmm.......wonder who barrelled his gun?



[gasps] .................... Not you surely????? [/gasps]
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 10:42:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 12:18:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2006 12:19:43 PM EDT by Pep]

Originally Posted By Bunnyassassin:
Oaky won, I came 5th.....

.... Don't know when or where the next shoot is, but need to get some SR under the belt I think...



I need some serious help

I thought I had done okay, better than I actually did, don't know what went wrong, my result was shite!!

Definately need some SR and decnt practice

On X range today same rifle , same bullets, off hand I hit everything up to 400 metres fairly consistantly

(A good trigger will be a good start although not a cure!!!!)

Frustrated

Link Posted: 4/10/2006 12:21:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2006 12:24:36 PM EDT by Scope-eye]

Originally Posted By Pep:

Originally Posted By Bunnyassassin:
Oaky won, I came 5th.....

.... Don't know when or where the next shoot is, but need to get some SR under the belt I think...



I need some serious help

I thought I had done okay, better than I actually did, don't know what went wrong, my result was shite!!

Definately need some SR and decnt practice

On X range today same rifle , same bullets, off hand I hit everything up to 400 metres fairly consistantly

(A good trigger will be a good start although not a cure!!!!)

Frustrated




That's the main problem with PR, you have no idea what you did, whether right or wrong.

A few spotting discs would help no end and actually make it a productive day. It would slow things down a bit, but I'd rather fire less shots for more info on my shooting.

Matt
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 12:32:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2006 12:34:39 PM EDT by Pep]

Originally Posted By Scope-eye:

Originally Posted By Pep:

Originally Posted By Bunnyassassin:
Oaky won, I came 5th.....

.... Don't know when or where the next shoot is, but need to get some SR under the belt I think...



I need some serious help

I thought I had done okay, better than I actually did, don't know what went wrong, my result was shite!!

Definately need some SR and decnt practice

On X range today same rifle , same bullets, off hand I hit everything up to 400 metres fairly consistantly

(A good trigger will be a good start although not a cure!!!!)

Frustrated




That's the main problem with PR, you have no idea what you did, whether right or wrong.

A few spotting discs would help no end and actually make it a productive day. It would slow things down a bit, but I'd rather fire less shots for more info on my shooting.

Matt



I know Matt, totally agree

We did get 2 spotters at the very start, but that was it.

Honestly do not know where I went wrong.

Bunny assasin RO'd me and the feed back he gave me and from what I observed was fairly encouraging. Every time you hit the target it was indicated by a slight twist.

The only thing I can think is that I hit a lot, outside the scoring zone which was the face of the 14.

That said Neil and the guys did a great job and it was a good day.

I need to get my arse down to Bisley for some practice with you guys.

Tighten my groups, take my time more

Stu

Link Posted: 4/10/2006 12:48:11 PM EDT
The target did indeed "flick" when hit, and many times did it flick.....

Unfortunately, the Fig 14 Huns head on a window background, where only hits on the head count, gives you (I would hazzard a guess) at 50 / 50 split between scoring zone and nowt.... At 400 that is quite a margin

Take the lane to our left Pep, the mysterious Swiss cheese maker! He was riddling the scoring zone, but still lost one helluva lot to the "no score" zone....

I wouldn't kick yerself too hard, mate.... From what i saw you acquitted yourself very well....

I think that some feedback would have been useful, even if only after the comp is finished.... I would have gladly given C8 and D8 some feedback if I only knew who they were?

Even if it was only.......... [shouts] OY, TWO ROUNDS ONLY PER EXPOSURE!!" [/shouts]


Link Posted: 4/10/2006 1:04:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 1:27:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
£60 in petrol
£20 in entry fees
£30 in ammo
£30 in accomodation
£10 in food

That's 150 quid, and at the end of the day you leave the range having had absolutely no idea as to where your shots went
What a way to encourage new blood and get the feedback so as you can learn from the experience and become a better shooter

Mark



I need some feedback, hence High power and SR looks like the best option for the rest of the season.

It's no use throwing lead down range only to be told the score!!!
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 2:21:46 AM EDT
Totally agree with Streetfighter, the problem with PR is the lack of "Quality" feedback on your performance during the day’s shoot. In my time shooting PR I've found that a lot of "Luck/Chance" figures in where you end up on the results table at the end of the day. The shoots are good fun and challenging but it is difficult to assess whether you are improving, as you cannot always compare one shoot to another.

SR at least gives you sighters before each stage (Apart from the 100yd Standing) and all shot holes are spotted back at the end of each stage giving you an indication of your grouping ability and a chance to make sight or position adjustments if required.

Highpower Rifle similarly gives you feedback between shots on slow fire stages and grouping indication after each rapid-fire string, you are thus able to see what effect small changes to your sights and shooting positions have on paper. I don't think that there is any type of shooting regularly available other than Highpower that is better placed to assist the shooter in building stable shooting positions (standing, sitting and prone) and allowing him/her to practice reading the wind and adjusting sights correctly to compensate.

If you shoot any type of magazine fed full bore rifle the only way to improve your shooting ability is to practice and compete. Dry fire at home and learn to build a good position/hold, get familiar with your equipment, make sure your ammunition is reliable and the best it can be it the time you have available to load or test it, then come along and enter a competition. Where you end up on the scoreboard at the end of the day is the point at which you start to look for improvement next time out, keep what worked well and ditch/rethink what did not work out. Practice/Compete/Practice/Compete/Practice/Compete
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 2:30:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RN-Submariner:
Totally agree with Streetfighter, the problem with PR is the lack of "Quality" feedback on your performance during the day’s shoot. In my time shooting PR I've found that a lot of "Luck/Chance" figures in where you end up on the results table at the end of the day. The shoots are good fun and challenging but it is difficult to assess whether you are improving, as you cannot always compare one shoot to another.

SR at least gives you sighters before each stage (Apart from the 100yd Standing) and all shot holes are spotted back at the end of each stage giving you an indication of your grouping ability and a chance to make sight or position adjustments if required.

Highpower Rifle similarly gives you feedback between shots on slow fire stages and grouping indication after each rapid-fire string, you are thus able to see what effect small changes to your sights and shooting positions have on paper. I don't think that there is any type of shooting regularly available other than Highpower that is better placed to assist the shooter in building stable shooting positions (standing, sitting and prone) and allowing him/her to practice reading the wind and adjusting sights correctly to compensate.

If you shoot any type of magazine fed full bore rifle the only way to improve your shooting ability is to practice and compete. Dry fire at home and learn to build a good position/hold, get familiar with your equipment, make sure your ammunition is reliable and the best it can be it the time you have available to load or test it, then come along and enter a competition. Where you end up on the scoreboard at the end of the day is the point at which you start to look for improvement next time out, keep what worked well and ditch/rethink what did not work out. Practice/Compete/Practice/Compete/Practice/Compete



Sound advice and noted.

I am ditching PR for the rest of the year and going to concentrate on exactly the above.

Stop being lazy and start reloading again but more importantly practice, practice and practice some more.

(That said the Beckinham Charity shoot is hard to resist)

Stu

Link Posted: 4/11/2006 8:42:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RN-Submariner:
Totally agree with Streetfighter, the problem with PR is the lack of "Quality" feedback on your performance during the day’s shoot. In my time shooting PR I've found that a lot of "Luck/Chance" figures in where you end up on the results table at the end of the day. The shoots are good fun and challenging but it is difficult to assess whether you are improving, as you cannot always compare one shoot to another.

SR at least gives you sighters before each stage (Apart from the 100yd Standing) and all shot holes are spotted back at the end of each stage giving you an indication of your grouping ability and a chance to make sight or position adjustments if required.

Highpower Rifle similarly gives you feedback between shots on slow fire stages and grouping indication after each rapid-fire string, you are thus able to see what effect small changes to your sights and shooting positions have on paper. I don't think that there is any type of shooting regularly available other than Highpower that is better placed to assist the shooter in building stable shooting positions (standing, sitting and prone) and allowing him/her to practice reading the wind and adjusting sights correctly to compensate.

If you shoot any type of magazine fed full bore rifle the only way to improve your shooting ability is to practice and compete. Dry fire at home and learn to build a good position/hold, get familiar with your equipment, make sure your ammunition is reliable and the best it can be it the time you have available to load or test it, then come along and enter a competition. Where you end up on the scoreboard at the end of the day is the point at which you start to look for improvement next time out, keep what worked well and ditch/rethink what did not work out. Practice/Compete/Practice/Compete/Practice/Compete



At last people are starting to say what I've been saying for the last few years. I haven't seriously shot PR for at least two years, and not at all this year yet. It just seemed a waste of my time and money, but occationally one feels the need to go and blat some knock down targets so I'll make the effort once in a while.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 11:22:34 AM EDT
To hear the previous responses......

Future PR comps might as well be limited to ETR ?

With SR / HR making up the 'action' paper target aspect?

The gap between the two, filled by the Blue Team and 'others' with thier TR (tactical rifle) type comps...?
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 1:25:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ACR26:
To hear the previous responses......

Future PR comps might as well be limited to ETR ?

With SR / HR making up the 'action' paper target aspect?

The gap between the two, filled by the Blue Team and 'others' with thier TR (tactical rifle) type comps...?



Mr. Paul, can you expand on the TR comps? the only Blue Team stuff I know of is more like SR. I'm assuming that TR includes scopes/bipods/small targets far away
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 10:51:09 PM EDT
Traditionally the Blue Team matches have been designed for those using a long barrel 7.62mm rifle, like the rem 700.

There is not much positional shooting and most stages are prone off the bipod.

A reflection on the Met's working practise.............
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 5:25:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ACR26:
Traditionally the Blue Team matches have been designed for those using a long barrel 7.62mm rifle, like the rem 700.

There is not much positional shooting and most stages are prone off the bipod.

A reflection on the Met's working practise.............



And their inability to shoot any other position.

I was with a load of firearms officers last night, they were showing us a shot gun only they (Police and military) are allowed - a 5-shot pump. They said they used OO buck and (banned and only allowed by police) slug. I asked what the slug was for and they said for taking down animals, such as rampaging cattle and anything that might escape from one of the many zoos in the county

I didn't have the heart to tell him my Remington 1100 can have 13 slug rounds in the magazine.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 6:06:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Scope-eye:

Originally Posted By ACR26:
Traditionally the Blue Team matches have been designed for those using a long barrel 7.62mm rifle, like the rem 700.

There is not much positional shooting and most stages are prone off the bipod.

A reflection on the Met's working practise.............



And their inability to shoot any other position.

I was with a load of firearms officers last night, they were showing us a shot gun only they (Police and military) are allowed - a 5-shot pump. They said they used OO buck and (banned and only allowed by police) slug. I asked what the slug was for and they said for taking down animals, such as rampaging cattle and anything that might escape from one of the many zoos in the county

I didn't have the heart to tell him my Remington 1100 can have 13 slug rounds in the magazine.



Shame you didnt have your shottie with you.....

They'd probably figure that you were special forces with a 13 shot semi-auto.....
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 9:58:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By steven_uk:

Originally Posted By Scope-eye:

Originally Posted By ACR26:
Traditionally the Blue Team matches have been designed for those using a long barrel 7.62mm rifle, like the rem 700.

There is not much positional shooting and most stages are prone off the bipod.

A reflection on the Met's working practise.............



And their inability to shoot any other position.

I was with a load of firearms officers last night, they were showing us a shot gun only they (Police and military) are allowed - a 5-shot pump. They said they used OO buck and (banned and only allowed by police) slug. I asked what the slug was for and they said for taking down animals, such as rampaging cattle and anything that might escape from one of the many zoos in the county

I didn't have the heart to tell him my Remington 1100 can have 13 slug rounds in the magazine.



Shame you didnt have your shottie with you.....

They'd probably figure that you were special forces with a 13 shot semi-auto.....



If I remember correctly Matt was a Navy paratrooper..............................

Link Posted: 4/12/2006 10:03:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Shame you didnt have your shottie with you.....

They'd probably figure that you were special forces with a 13 shot semi-auto.....



Scope-eye = VERY special forces
Streetfighter = special NEEDS forces
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 10:09:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By limey1:

Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Shame you didnt have your shottie with you.....

They'd probably figure that you were special forces with a 13 shot semi-auto.....



Scope-eye = VERY special forces
Streetfighter = special NEEDS forces



Link Posted: 4/12/2006 1:03:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 12:20:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 12:22:45 AM EDT by Scope-eye]


My 'service' career is only half as long and distinguished as yours, Pep (or should I say 'Sir'?)
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 12:35:24 AM EDT
The Royal Navy (not Royal Marines) do have a specialist Parachute Unit, they are all Submariners, but I have never seen the appeal of jumping out of a serviceable aircraft. Not sure if Matt qualifies as a Matlot.hinking.gif
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 2:28:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RN-Submariner:
The Royal Navy (not Royal Marines) do have a specialist Parachute Unit, they are all Submariners, but I have never seen the appeal of jumping out of a serviceable aircraft. Not sure if Matt qualifies as a Matlot.



Surely they would 'deploy' out of the torpedo tube? I've seen James Bond do it!
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 3:26:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By limey1:

Originally Posted By RN-Submariner:
The Royal Navy (not Royal Marines) do have a specialist Parachute Unit, they are all Submariners, but I have never seen the appeal of jumping out of a serviceable aircraft. Not sure if Matt qualifies as a Matlot.



Surely they would 'deploy' out of the torpedo tube? I've seen James Bond do it!



Don't the SBS do tricky things with Subs, such as underwater evac.....sounds dodgy as hell to me....
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 4:18:23 AM EDT
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I give you 'combination airplane and submarine'

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 6:42:59 AM EDT


Is this what really do at those weekly meetings, and trips away at weekends?
Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:21:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Scope-eye:


My 'service' career is only half as long and distinguished as yours, Pep (or should I say 'Sir'?)



Nice to see my old commision still carry's a bit of respect

Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:46:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Pep:

Originally Posted By Scope-eye:


My 'service' career is only half as long and distinguished as yours, Pep (or should I say 'Sir'?)



Nice to see my old commision still carry's a bit of respect






Link Posted: 4/13/2006 8:50:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/13/2006 8:50:46 AM EDT by Pep]


I think the term for that is a floater
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