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Posted: 1/3/2006 9:24:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 9:26:08 AM EDT by streetfighter]
Nearly finished.....................at last.
This has been the proverbial nightmare.
Actually it wasn't that bad, just a lot of fraught times.

9MM AR15 w/min legal barrel length.
Just needs some final fettling, barrel threading, headspace setting and parkerizing on the barrel.

Oh, and this is the one and only one I'm ever going to make








Mark
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 9:48:09 AM EDT
Isnt she a cutie

Looks good, i hope your an rfd

Steve
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:05:57 AM EDT
I want one!!

James,
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:15:01 AM EDT
Looks good!
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:15:40 AM EDT
You don't seriously think I'd be doing anything daft, do you.
Actually, if you wanted to, you could build one yourself without being a RFD,LEGALLY, but I won't go into that here.
I do work with a RFD, you know him..............he sold you your rifle, and I 'smith in my spare time.
So, easy peasy and nice and kosher.
But this 9 milly has been heartache. It's not for me, but another member on this board
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:16:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By clayo:
i hope your an rfd

Steve



Yep, he is, or at least a servant of.
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:16:31 AM EDT


Streetfighter




Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:17:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
Nearly finished.....................at last.
This has been the proverbial nightmare.
Actually it wasn't that bad, just a lot of fraught times.

9MM AR15 w/min legal barrel length.
Just needs some final fettling, barrel threading, headspace setting and parkerizing on the barrel.

Oh, and this is the one and only one I'm ever going to make
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9mm_005.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9mm_002.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_008.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_009.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_010.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_011.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_006.jpg

Mark



But we have one more 9mm insert kit!
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:20:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Scope-eye:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:
Nearly finished.....................at last.
This has been the proverbial nightmare.
Actually it wasn't that bad, just a lot of fraught times.

9MM AR15 w/min legal barrel length.
Just needs some final fettling, barrel threading, headspace setting and parkerizing on the barrel.

Oh, and this is the one and only one I'm ever going to make
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9mm_005.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9mm_002.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_008.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_009.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_010.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_011.jpg
www.markbradley.talktalk.net/jse_9MM_006.jpg

Mark



But we have one more 9mm insert kit!



Nooooooooooooooooooooo..............

Ah go on then, just one more.

Who'll start the bidding?
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:44:18 AM EDT
i'll give you my first born son, followed by his first born son etc etc etc,

Would still be cheaper and less of a wait than fat bob,

How much would it cost to put somethin like that together?

James,
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:49:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2006 10:49:49 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 10:58:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
A semi auto would be a heavenly 'gallery rifle'....

...I can dream can't I?

ANdy



Actually a semi would be much easier to make because it's a totally different system, but because you have to work with std AR parts there's a lot of fitting required
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 12:51:04 PM EDT
Look's very sexy

I somehow think that this is the first of many order's to be filled in the future.

Tony
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 12:57:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 2:22:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Mark,

No problem with the plods over it being 9mm what with all the BS some keep spouting about 'leakage' of 9mm into the 'underworld'?

ANdy



Apparently not as there's already a few 9's out there.

Mark
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 3:57:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By vito113:
Mark,

No problem with the plods over it being 9mm what with all the BS some keep spouting about 'leakage' of 9mm into the 'underworld'?

ANdy



Apparently not as there's already a few 9's out there.

Mark



And a couple of .45's!
Link Posted: 1/3/2006 4:41:15 PM EDT
That looks real nice.
And I think the MP5 looks reals nice.

As a gallery rifle why not the MP5?

I love the look of the AR but I also like the lines of the MP5.

MP5 in straight pull....I'd buy one....even without the wifes permission (brave taffy but please dont tell her)

To me some rifles look better than others. I like the look of some but not others....does that make me wierd?.....Naaaa!

I do prefer to shoot them though.

Nice project though . Well done it looks cute manly

Taffy

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 3:45:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:
As a gallery rifle why not the MP5?

I love the look of the AR but I also like the lines of the MP5.

MP5 in straight pull....I'd buy one....even without the wifes permission (brave taffy but please dont tell her)




many, many, moons ago I got to shoot a straight pull MP5 - and it wasn't that good
the cocking lever of an MP5 is on the left and quite forward, meaning that you have to balance the gun by the pistol grip whilst 'straight pulling'. Life would be a different matter if some sort of handle was fitted to the right side of the bolt head carrier, but this would distract from the MP5 'look'.
All this has already been experienced/sorted on the AR15 platform.

Now a Rhineland R22 with iron sights - rimfire nirvana!
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 4:31:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 6:44:45 AM EDT
The straightpull MP5's that were destined to be released to the UK market apparently caused quite a legal kafuffle between HK and the Swiss firm who were intending to manufacture them. (Not sure if HO got involved)

I know the guy who owns the only straightpull MP5 that was released and its just gorgeous.....I've only held it, not fired it, but its quite a conversation piece...
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:05:16 AM EDT
You can't 'convert' one anyway. Once Section 5 , always section 5, no matter what.

You could make a copy from scratch though.....
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 7:26:16 AM EDT
Mark

How much cash would I need to persuade you to build another?

I have some straight people to offend

Richard
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 8:36:49 AM EDT
The other thing i like the look of wouyld be a .45 fal ;)

Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:29:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By richardh:
Mark

How much cash would I need to persuade you to build another?

I have some straight people to offend

Richard



More than you can afford
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:30:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By UKGuy:
The other thing i like the look of wouyld be a .45 fal ;)



Hmmmmm, that would probably be fairly easy................
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 9:53:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 10:00:05 AM EDT
well if you can do a .45 fal... how about a 7.62 para fal??

Preferably at better value than the sabre jobbies...

James
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 10:11:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2006 10:11:06 AM EDT
looked at the website.. looks like all you would have to do is not mess around with the bolt locking parts... and youd be laughing,

Hmmmm .45acp enfield... Delisle
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 2:17:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By UKGuy:
looked at the website.. looks like all you would have to do is not mess around with the bolt locking parts... and youd be laughing,

Hmmmm .45acp enfield... Delisle



The guy I know with the sttaightpull MP5 also has an original slienced .45acp delisle carbine too...hmmmm

Who was it on here who was asking HK for a UK legal civvie straightpull G36 (i think it was ) ?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 2:50:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 3:22:27 AM EDT
Cheers Andy. Did he make any progress ? ? ?

Suley - Got an update ?
Link Posted: 1/5/2006 3:46:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:45:12 AM EDT
Mark - this finished yet ? How does she go...
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 6:57:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 9:06:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Mark - this finished yet ? How does she go...



Not too bad at all. We managed to keep it on the target at 200yds most of the time without even sighting it in properly (it was just a function test after all)

It's a shame it's such a bugger to make.
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 11:26:42 AM EDT
Inbound on thread.....

Yup our teutonic cousins did indeed state that they liked the idea and were reevaluating the project.


BUT ( there is always one isnt therehey
BTW are any of you going to IWA this year
Link Posted: 1/18/2006 12:40:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Mark - this finished yet ? How does she go...



It went better than expected.
The main problem has been the cartridge length, or rather lack of it, but with some juicy bolt mods it feeds 100% but you do have to be as positive as Southern Gun's LA to get reliable ejection.
But with that said it appears to be easier to use than the LA's swivelling pistol grip.

Now..............the super secret gallery rifle project is nearing completion

All the parts have been acquired and as soon as we get a bit of free time, will turn the assorted pile of parts and reamers into another thing of beauty and perfection.

Stay tooned

Mark
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 1:06:45 AM EDT
So what changes did you have to make to the bolt? Any chance of seeing a picture of the bolt?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 2:02:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Mark - this finished yet ? How does she go...



It went better than expected.
The main problem has been the cartridge length, or rather lack of it, but with some juicy bolt mods it feeds 100% but you do have to be as positive as Southern Gun's LA to get reliable ejection.
But with that said it appears to be easier to use than the LA's swivelling pistol grip.

Now..............the super secret gallery rifle project is nearing completion

All the parts have been acquired and as soon as we get a bit of free time, will turn the assorted pile of parts and reamers into another thing of beauty and perfection.

Stay tooned

Mark



As I understand it, the SGC LA 9mms suffered a lot with extraction issues with the short cartridge jumping off the bolt face.
The switch to .30 carbine resolved these problems, and mine runs really well.

Any clues on the new gallery rifle project......go on spill the beans !
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:26:23 AM EDT
Golovko,

Yes, that's what we're all dying to see. It is using the standard .223 locking lugs? In the States I'm building a straight-pull pistol, and why not in 9mm? I can imagine feeding was a real pain, & I'd really rather not think about such things :)

"Is that a 40 round magazine?"
"Ummm, yeah - but it's really a single-shot..." :(

Gig 'em,

backbencher
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 9:08:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By steven_uk:
As I understand it, the SGC LA 9mms suffered a lot with extraction issues with the short cartridge jumping off the bolt face.
The switch to .30 carbine resolved these problems, and mine runs really well.

Any clues on the new gallery rifle project......go on spill the beans !



You're almost correct.
SGC's LA9 did in fact suffer from feed and ejection (not extraction) problems. But the cartridges didn't "jump off the bolt-face".
The problem lies with the ejector pin and it's habit of trapping the short 9mm round as it's fed from the right hand side of the magazine.

To alleviate this, you have to get rid of the ejector pin and rely on the ejector that comes as part of the 9mm mag well insert.
And for that you have to cut the bolt and carrier length ways along the line where the ejector would've been.

SGC used an ingenious spring loaded ejector. I didn't find that necessary.
The bot will also lose locking lugs, but as it's fairly low powered, that's not too important.

The bolt face has to be opened up too, as 9mm is slightly larger in diameter than .223.

I don't have the parts to hand so can't take pics. Will try another time.


As for the Super Secret Gallery rifle project.........it's coming along nicely and the first one should debut in the next few days.

Don't go far.....................................


Mark
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 6:47:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2006 6:49:20 PM EDT by backbencher]
Mark, et al:

Did y'all happen to try your lovely pet w/ a single-shot adapter in the magazine well before y'all sorted out feeding properly? I've a .223" bbl on the way, so a 9 is not in my immediate future, but still trying to figure out what it would take to make a single-shot straight pull 9mm.

In addition to standard AR-15 bits, it seems one would need @ a minimum:

9mm bbl (duh!)
standard .223 bbl extension w/ locking lugs (& maybe M4 cuts as well?)
open up the bolt face a little, or are tolerances good enough for a single shot?
wooden/plastic single shot magazine/mag well insert

What else am I missing? (Besides the Lancaster University Engineering Department)

Gig 'em,

backbencher

PS - hmmm, this would work w/ a .38" Super, wouldn't it :)
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 9:16:15 AM EDT
Super Secret Gallery Rifle(TM) project dummy rounds... fit nicely into the standard mag, don't they...

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 10:06:12 AM EDT
Looks fab..... if the spacer was removed from the front of the insert kit...would it feed better ?
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