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Posted: 2/16/2006 5:53:16 PM EDT
I have not heard anything lately, Is Ernie still trying to delay a vote or something?
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Did anyone read the Leader story about CCW?
I think I'm going to have to have a talk with a couple of them. |
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Details my good man, give us the details |
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Comments like those make me wonder about the people we have in law enforcement in Nebraska. Have they even looked at what most of the other states in the union have done? Obviously not or they would see that it hasn't been a problem.
What's even more troubling is how little the law enforcement people quoted in the article understand or even seem to care about the second ammendment to the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Nebraska. For your information and for you to pass on I'm including Article one of the Nebraska document. Article I Constitution of the State of Nebraska: Statement of rights. CI-1 All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights; among these are life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to keep and bear arms for security or defense of self, family, home, and others, and for lawful common defense, hunting, recreational use, and all other lawful purposes, and such rights shall not be denied or infringed by the state or any subdivision thereof. To secure these rights, and the protection of property, governments are instituted among people, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. |
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i've had "experiences" with erhart before (and have spoken to a few nameless sarpy officers) and the consensus seems to be he's the one power-tripper that makes the whole department look like you-know-whats.
the leader never has impressed me--seems they're more representative of Lincoln and a few areas of Omaha than of Nebraskans in general. ah well. |
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What amazes me is that these officers ignore the fact that those willing to commit dangerous crimes with firearms are not going to give a shit about whether they're carrying legally or not. Most violent gun crimes in Omaha are commited with illegal guns, by criminals who aren't supposed to have guns in the first place.
Criminals with guns have always carried. LB 454 just lets the law abiding and responsible citizens protect their families and themselves from those that have been, and are still willing to break the law in a violent manner. LB 454 benefits every one but the criminals. Based on Ernie Chambers past thoughts and opinions, I believe this is why he's so afraid of it. Crime causes poverty, and with out that, Ernie loses quite a bit of job security. (Hopefully he loses his position anyways.) |
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"The department makes sure we are proficient in accuracy shooting - we qualify four times a year within the department," said Sarpy County Deputy Greg Monico. "Citizens don't have that." He didn't mention how poorly so many of our Deputies perform at those shoots. ESPECIALLY considering how simple and pathetic those shoots are in the first place. Before I even joined this website, I knew there had to be many more capable shootists in the general public than there were sworn officers. It's more and more evident everytime I visit this site and everytime I go to a qualification shoot. Overall - it's sad, just sad. I agree with the last two cited in the article - not the eight narrow-minded ones against it. You can see where they're coming from, but you also have to wonder why they don't see their fears are completely unfounded. Bad guys already have guns and we're trained to approach and treat everyone as if they were armed anyway; what difference does it make if they actually are? None of the times in recent memory in which Bellevue officers employed lethal force involve the suspect having a firearm. There's the guy who was on the receiving end of a search warrant with a baseball bat and three subjects driving motor vehicles (one was driving away from the officer, but that's another story all together). My problems with what the bill lacks don't have to do with restricting citizens' access to firearms; quite the opposite, in fact. I'd like to see reciprocity opened up with other states and the list of prohibited places halved. I welcome more guns in the hands of the good guys. The bad guys are always going to get guns one way or another. This law isn't going to help them out, it may even clean up the streets when idiots with warrants or known or convicted criminals show up in line to apply. If anything, it will help the good guys be better. The mandatory training should help clear up questions for those eager to learn and serve as a refresher for those who already know: fundamentals of safety, when and when not to act, marksmanship, safe storage, laws, and general good practices. Continuing to train and learn never hurt anyone. More life-saving tools in the hands of trained and capable persons on the street is what's going to save the world someday. |
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Ernie Chambers is a asshat on the best of days & that happens only once or twide a
When I lived in Bellevue (83-89, got to love being stationed at Offutt) Omaha PD was extremly anti gun & the majority of Bellevue PD and Sarpy Co SO was as well. However, I did run it to some really good LEO's on all the aboved departments that were extremly pro gun and felt NE should have a CCW law. I'd love to see Ne have a CCW so when we travel to NE I'd be legal Hey, as a side note, does Bellevue still have the gun shop on the south side of the main drag, seems like they had a big display BAR in the window?? (Not the one on the North side of the street down towards the park/bridge) That's where I purchased my 1st AR15 |
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Hey fella's,
To stay up to date on Nebraska CCW go to www.ccwne.com That Leader story was crap. Why didn't the reporter make a few simple phone calls to departments in states that already have ccw and ask them how they deal with it. That article should have been printed in the editorials not the front page. |
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I was talking with a Papillion cop tonight about that Leader piece and he was surprised at the lean the article had. He said most of the cops he's talked to around here are all for it. We ragged on the anti's for a while and when I said we're supposed to treat people as if they're armed anyway, he said, "Exactly." (if you could put bold on the spoken word, he would've.)
So don't worry, there are those of us with badges out there that are all for CCW. |
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Personally, if I lived in Ernie's district I'd be all for concealed carry..........yes indeed I would.
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Old Town Guns closed a few years back, the owner retired. True Value (where I bought my first AR) is also closed. Sadly B-Town is out of real gun shops. |
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I purchased my 1st M1 Garand at the True Value & forgot all about them selling guns. Sad to see Old Town closed, it was a fun place to hang out even if it was expensive to purchases stuff there. Have been thinking about stopping in for the night when we make a run back to Iowa just to see how Offutt/Bellevue has changed. I did like living in Bellevue, but I'm sure things have really changed since I left in 89. Is Hams Bar still there |
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True Value got shut down because they were making straw sales and not keeping proper records on their legal sales. They were a very shady business, and I for one am not sad to see them go. Bellevue Gun and Supply's out-of-business sale, on the other hand, was probably one of the saddest weeks of my life. Sure I got a fantastic deal on a .300 win mag Savage accutrigger ($200 new otd), but it was a much bigger price. With the exception of a personal order by the Offutt Rod & Gun Club, Scheel's is about the only place I'd go to consider purchasing a firearm over the counter anymore. |
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Back in the day Offutt never had a rod & gun club even though we tried to get one going Did not have a Scheels (whatever that is) either |
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Shrike, if you haven't seen Bellevue since '89, you're not going to recognize the place. Hell, so much changed while I was gone from 95-01.
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Other than a 2 day stop in 94 or 95 when we camped at Lake Manawa State Park to take the wife & kiddo to the Henry Doorly Zoo we have never stopped. Seems like we take 80 from WY to IA once or twice a year, but never detoured off of 80. Could not believe the changes ya can see from 80, heck we got lost trying to find Bronco Burgers (name?????) the only other time we detoured off of 80 as that place had the best the greasy burger/onion rings in the area. Seems like there was also a really good greek food resturant, but heck if I remember where |
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Broncos off of 72nd closed this year. I'll save you getting lost looking for that. |
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Any news on topic? I tried to read up on the Unicameral site, but didn't get much from the legislative gibberish.
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Funny you should ask. From today's OWH:
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was up for debate today and should be debated tomorrow
looking like they may have to allowing Lincoln Omaha to ban it to pass fuckers glad i don't live there anymore p094.ezboard.com/fccwnebraskafrm8 |
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All the more reason to be happy seeing Sarpy County growing. Fewer reasons to go into Omaha. Not like that city-specific ban would affect my carrying, but still... |
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I will refrain from typing what I think abot Sen. Mines, but when I worked in the unicameral during his freshman year I was suprised to learn that he was one of our biggest obstacles to this bill. I have had a good laugh over his argument that the letter from Chairman Quandahl was a cheap-shot, because it named him personally for being a long-standing obstruction to this bill. Last time I knew, it's not a cheap-shot if it's the truth. SBG |
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Wombat:
Hypothetical question. You are fueling up and in line to pay on duty , in front of you you see what you think may be a IWB clip on a clean cut guy paying for his gas. Would you be complelled to investgate? Real question: Have you ever encounterd someone open carrying? I know that the letter of the law alows this is Sarpy but have never seen anyone do it. |
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I'm going to be raging pissed if Omaha allows a CCW ban. If you ask me, we need it more than any other part of the state.
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yeah no shit oh well i only get to Omhah maybe omce a month and Lincoln once a week hop the goobers in Femont GI Kearney ETC don't follow as it would make the license moot point if all the larger cites just decide to ban it *sigh* better than nothing I guess but not much BTW they voted and moved it to final reading have to see what hapens |
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Omaha already has a statute banning CCW ,and will not have to enact anything to continue the ban unless a preemption clause is added to LB454 or it is amended later. Lincoln does not have a current city ban on CCW, so they will have to pass a law to ban it if LB454 passes as it is currently written. We can fight it , but the Lincoln city council has a liberal/anti majority at this time. |
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so, the solution there would be to get a Nebraska CCW Permit, and then get the city of Omaha's open-carry permit.
problem solved. (yes, i realize the issues surrounding it, i just thought i'd post the humorously obvious current solution ) |
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If we won't be able to carry in Omaha or Lincoln, screw it. I'll just carry illegally and accept a misdemeanor if I get cought.
This whole deal is pretty ridiculous. |
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well, don't necessarily do that. i'd wait and see if that misdemeanor would result in a permit revocation.
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Well, Kansas got theirs. Home state of the free-fire zone of Dodge City that every anti-CCW idiot fears their state will become (but never has and never will). We better get ours and it better not be crap. As if we don't already feel backwoods enough on modern things, we're behind the times on a matter that some people see as a "backwoods gun-loving hick" thing to do anyway.
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