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Posted: 4/11/2006 8:56:43 AM EDT
I had some questions about how the shotgun stages would be for the PR match. So, I wrote randy. Here is his reply.


1. I think this year we will emphasize buckshot and slugs. There will be a birdshot stage, too, but not mixed with the buck and slugs. (You must shoot the same shotgun on all shotgun stages.)

2. Buckshot and birdshot stages will be close and any high capacity shotgun should do fine. You will need to know where your slugs hit at different yardages. I always go with the Benelli M-1 Super 90. It always works for me.

3. No class distinction. Those who shoot well end up near the top. Those who need more practice end up near the bottom. It's not the gun, it's the person behind the gun.

Link Posted: 4/11/2006 9:07:24 AM EDT
I'm not going to have a problem with shotgun portion of the match.. Going to the Shotgun Match helped me alot. especially going to the match shortly after buying my first shotgun. Awesome learning experience.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 9:33:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunkata:
I'm not going to have a problem with shotgun portion of the match.. Going to the Shotgun Match helped me alot. especially going to the match shortly after buying my first shotgun. Awesome learning experience.



Time to bring this out eh?

Link Posted: 4/11/2006 9:42:53 AM EDT
I love shotguns
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 10:09:03 AM EDT
I know my Mossy has been itchin' for a tactical workout...
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 10:10:23 AM EDT
Hopefully 5 round magazines will be enough. I couldn't bring myself to buy those two foot long stick reloaders the gamers had last year. I shot pretty good last year but the 5 round magazine capacity and the slow by hand reloads meant I was bottom of the pack, despite what Randy says in comment #3.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 10:38:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 11:31:13 AM EDT
My shotty:

Link Posted: 4/11/2006 11:50:22 AM EDT

That's like putting an E0-tech thingy on a civil war blackpowder musket. Do they make a M4 stock adaptor for an 1860 Springfield?
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 11:54:33 AM EDT


I'll be there, Mossy 590 in hand! And Gunkata are you going to the next TCGC Shotgun match? (would that be the same as the 3-gun matches? I don't see "Tactical Shotgun" anywhere on the TCGC website).

I am going to try to make it, I love shooting the shotgun!
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:15:30 PM EDT
As long as we are posting shotgun porn, here's my recently tromix'd Saiga-12:

Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:19:50 PM EDT
The Vltor is a NICE touch.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:22:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/11/2006 12:24:05 PM EDT by watchdawg]

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
The Vltor is a NICE touch.



I never used to understand why folks would pay so much for a VLTOR stock. Now I do! :-)
It works great on the S12.

EDIT: Forgot to add, the VLTOR AK adapter lets you preserve the tang.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:31:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hartmann:


I'll be there, Mossy 590 in hand! And Gunkata are you going to the next TCGC Shotgun match? (would that be the same as the 3-gun matches? I don't see "Tactical Shotgun" anywhere on the TCGC website).

I am going to try to make it, I love shooting the shotgun!



The shot gun matches were held by the guys that did regular 3 gun matches.. His name is Gary. but they did 2 shotgun Only matches where I was able to participate without IPSC cert. Just like PR with obsticals and high round counts.

Note to Tango Foxtrot: 5 round mags are fine, you just have to learn to speed load your shells. Something Randy taught me at the first match i went to and he was in my Squad. Been doing it ever since and it's simple like that 2 foot loader thing but don't need to waste any money.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:33:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By watchdawg:
As long as we are posting shotgun porn, here's my recently tromix'd Saiga-12:

www.watchdawg.org/~lv/firearms/s12/tromix_s12-01.jpg



I'm hoping to get my Form 4 papers through so I can run my Fireball Saiga-12 as well.

But my mags are bigger than yours.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:36:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By watchdawg:
As long as we are posting shotgun porn, here's my recently tromix'd Saiga-12:

www.watchdawg.org/~lv/firearms/s12/tromix_s12-01.jpg



also note. Saiga 12 is cool but if there is a single round load and shoot stage you will be dead in the water. Every shotgun match i've been to there is one of those and usually "Red Neck Bowling" Saiga will not work on that. I'm happy with pump shotty. NOT saying there is a single shot stage but you never know so bring a regular and the Saiga to be safe.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:50:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunkata:

Originally Posted By watchdawg:
As long as we are posting shotgun porn, here's my recently tromix'd Saiga-12:

www.watchdawg.org/~lv/firearms/s12/tromix_s12-01.jpg



also note. Saiga 12 is cool but if there is a single round load and shoot stage you will be dead in the water. Every shotgun match i've been to there is one of those and usually "Red Neck Bowling" Saiga will not work on that. I'm happy with pump shotty. NOT saying there is a single shot stage but you never know so bring a regular and the Saiga to be safe.



Yes it will. Works just like an autoloader. Pull bolt back, shove in shell, close.

Not as nice as a semi in that view, but what do you thing the 1100's, 11-87's etc. do?
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:52:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoAim:

Originally Posted By watchdawg:
As long as we are posting shotgun porn, here's my recently tromix'd Saiga-12:

www.watchdawg.org/~lv/firearms/s12/tromix_s12-01.jpg



I'm hoping to get my Form 4 papers through so I can run my Fireball Saiga-12 as well.

But my mags are bigger than yours.



Shame it won't be a night match!

I refuse to pay the 8-round mag highway robbery prices. Maybe someone will get off their butt
and actually produce the 8-10 rounds mags they've been talking about since last September.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 12:57:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunkata:

also note. Saiga 12 is cool but if there is a single round load and shoot stage you will be dead in the water. Every shotgun match i've been to there is one of those and usually "Red Neck Bowling" Saiga will not work on that. I'm happy with pump shotty. NOT saying there is a single shot stage but you never know so bring a regular and the Saiga to be safe.



Nope, no problems with single-round loads. Just pull back the action and load a round. I've seen
me do it!

If I had to shoot the match today I'd probably use my 870, 7+1 rounds. I'm used to it and I
know I can hit with slugs. I haven't put ANY slugs through my S12 yet.... yet. Unfortunately, I'm
typically booked up on Saturdays, but I hope that changes this summer.



Link Posted: 4/11/2006 1:18:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By watchdawg:

Originally Posted By NoAim:

Originally Posted By watchdawg:
As long as we are posting shotgun porn, here's my recently tromix'd Saiga-12:

www.watchdawg.org/~lv/firearms/s12/tromix_s12-01.jpg



I'm hoping to get my Form 4 papers through so I can run my Fireball Saiga-12 as well.

But my mags are bigger than yours.



Shame it won't be a night match!

I refuse to pay the 8-round mag highway robbery prices. Maybe someone will get off their butt
and actually produce the 8-10 rounds mags they've been talking about since last September.



Yeah, I picked up my 8-rounders for about $65/mag.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 1:27:48 PM EDT
Oh you will see when you are being timed if you have to do single.. Even the Benelli boys have some time.. it's 3 motions then fire for Semi shotties and 2 motions then fire for Pump.. Pump = drop rack forward and then you are already in firing position... If you were in a side by side comparison I'd shoot a round before you finish loading your chamber. Seen it first hand. thank you.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 1:38:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunkata:
Oh you will see when you are being timed if you have to do single.. Even the Benelli boys have some time.. it's 3 motions then fire for Semi shotties and 2 motions then fire for Pump.. Pump = drop rack forward and then you are already in firing position... If you were in a side by side comparison I'd shoot a round before you finish loading your chamber. Seen it first hand. thank you.



It's Practical Rifle 3-gun. Not a shotgun-only sport. Heard it first hand. thank you.

Reading is fundamental.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 1:48:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/11/2006 1:49:41 PM EDT by Gunkata]

Originally Posted By NoAim:

Originally Posted By Gunkata:
Oh you will see when you are being timed if you have to do single.. Even the Benelli boys have some time.. it's 3 motions then fire for Semi shotties and 2 motions then fire for Pump.. Pump = drop rack forward and then you are already in firing position... If you were in a side by side comparison I'd shoot a round before you finish loading your chamber. Seen it first hand. thank you.



It's Practical Rifle 3-gun. Not a shotgun-only sport. Heard it first hand. thank you.

Reading is fundamental.



that's funny. I read that your wrote and received a reply. Maybe reading is fundamental if you can comprehend what you read.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 1:49:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunkata:

Originally Posted By NoAim:

Originally Posted By Gunkata:
Oh you will see when you are being timed if you have to do single.. Even the Benelli boys have some time.. it's 3 motions then fire for Semi shotties and 2 motions then fire for Pump.. Pump = drop rack forward and then you are already in firing position... If you were in a side by side comparison I'd shoot a round before you finish loading your chamber. Seen it first hand. thank you.



It's Practical Rifle 3-gun. Not a shotgun-only sport. Heard it first hand. thank you.

Reading is fundamental.



that's funny. I read that your wrote and received a reply. Maybe reading is fundamental if you can comprehend what it is you read.



Spelling Nazi alert.l

Did it ever occur to you that I also talked to someone over the phone as well? Ooooohhhhhh.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 2:02:14 PM EDT
I hate you.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 2:08:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gunkata:
Oh you will see when you are being timed if you have to do single.. Even the Benelli boys have some time.. it's 3 motions then fire for Semi shotties and 2 motions then fire for Pump.. Pump = drop rack forward and then you are already in firing position... If you were in a side by side comparison I'd shoot a round before you finish loading your chamber. Seen it first hand. thank you.



Yeah yeah.. and in a course of fire I'll make up for it in reloads and split times.
Link Posted: 4/11/2006 2:47:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By watchdawg:

Originally Posted By Gunkata:
Oh you will see when you are being timed if you have to do single.. Even the Benelli boys have some time.. it's 3 motions then fire for Semi shotties and 2 motions then fire for Pump.. Pump = drop rack forward and then you are already in firing position... If you were in a side by side comparison I'd shoot a round before you finish loading your chamber. Seen it first hand. thank you.



Yeah yeah.. and in a course of fire I'll make up for it in reloads and split times.



hope you gots more than 1 mag. pfft 5 rounders.. muahahah i'm an asshole!!.. yodi yoh!.. yodi yoh!.
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