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Posted: 2/19/2006 1:30:47 AM EDT
Looks like in the rush, the baffle stack got put in backwards (at least both on mine and Nox's).

Please double check it.

The correct configuration should be:

Gun -> KKKKKK -> Target
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:06:40 AM EDT
Uh... WTF.

If I laid out the cash for a new NFA item I'd at least expect it to be correctly assembled.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:13:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 4:13:34 AM EDT by NoAim]

Originally Posted By tReznr:
Uh... WTF.

If I laid out the cash for a new NFA item I'd at least expect it to be correctly assembled.



It was an honest mistake by the local manufacturer. He probably just took the wrong end off. No biggie.

Please thread crap no more.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:05:07 AM EDT
Sorry man, wasn't trying to trash your thread.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:39:59 AM EDT
Mine too -- are we certain this is the right way around ->K-> ??
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:10:46 AM EDT
On K baffles, the flat side is towards the gun -- in other words, the bullet goes through the flat part before it travels past the cone. Here is a web page that may help you -- although it is not from your suppressor manufacturer, it offers some good advice:

Suppressor disassembly/reassembly instructions

Will I see you guys at Tri-County or Johnson Creek now with your suppressed .22's?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:14:54 AM EDT
That sounds like a very McDermit thing to do! LOL

Atleast it's a very easy fix.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:25:30 AM EDT
No Aim,

Thanks for posting!! Mine are in backwards as well. I only shot three rounds through mine on Friday, and I am planning on running it through the paces today at TCGC.

I am having one hell of a time opening up the can since I cranked it down pretty tight on my Buckmark Friday. Is there a secret to getting the end cap off. I dont want to screw this thing up.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:32:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tracker:
No Aim,

Thanks for posting!! Mine are in backwards as well. I only shot three rounds through mine on Friday, and I am planning on running it through the paces today at TCGC.

I am having one hell of a time opening up the can since I cranked it down pretty tight on my Buckmark Friday. Is there a secret to getting the end cap off. I dont want to screw this thing up.



What time? I"m heading to TCGC in a few minutes. Hope to see you there. I'll have the indian hat on
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:34:01 AM EDT
When I screwed mine on tight and couldn't open it, I used those rubber sheet things that you use to open reluctant bottle/jar tops -- one to hold the body, and the other to press the end-cap against.

I have now put some tetra gun-grease on the threads and flange of the end-caps, and don't tighten it up quite so much.

I wonder what it will be like after a few hundred rounds???
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:36:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tracker:
No Aim,

Thanks for posting!! Mine are in backwards as well. I only shot three rounds through mine on Friday, and I am planning on running it through the paces today at TCGC.

I am having one hell of a time opening up the can since I cranked it down pretty tight on my Buckmark Friday. Is there a secret to getting the end cap off. I dont want to screw this thing up.



If you are at home, you could heat the tube with a hair dryer before you try and unscrew it.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:38:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 8:41:05 AM EDT by M-60]

Originally Posted By Tracker:
No Aim,

Thanks for posting!! Mine are in backwards as well. I only shot three rounds through mine on Friday, and I am planning on running it through the paces today at TCGC.

I am having one hell of a time opening up the can since I cranked it down pretty tight on my Buckmark Friday. Is there a secret to getting the end cap off. I dont want to screw this thing up.



How did you like that? Wasn't in your back yard was it?

My dad gave me my Grandpa's .22 pistol after telling him how much I liked yours and 'Boo's. I cant wait to go shoot it. Its a Colt Woodsman. Manufactured somewhere around '39 - '41.

Like this one




Mark.

P.S. Sorry for the Off topic post.

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:56:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MGKAC556:

Originally Posted By Tracker:
No Aim,

Thanks for posting!! Mine are in backwards as well. I only shot three rounds through mine on Friday, and I am planning on running it through the paces today at TCGC.

I am having one hell of a time opening up the can since I cranked it down pretty tight on my Buckmark Friday. Is there a secret to getting the end cap off. I dont want to screw this thing up.



If you are at home, you could heat the tube with a hair dryer before you try and unscrew it.



MGKA556,

Thanks for the tip I will give it a try. Will you be at TCGC today?


M-60 Nice new tow you got there. Want to go shooting?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:19:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 9:45:16 AM EDT by Tracker]
Ok the hair dryer trick worked. Damn after only three rounds being fired I was amazed how dirty the baffles were.

Has someone e-mailed McDermit to let him know these cans were assembled backwards? If not I will.



Munkalido, I will be at TCGC around noon today. I will look for you.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:53:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 10:02:22 AM EDT by PhilipPeake]
Since I am waiting for my threaded barrel, and all I can do with mine is basically look at it, anyone care to comment on the level of suppression they are getting -- especially with a buckmark.

Also - did anyone try shooting it with the baffles reversed? Just interested if it made much difference to the suppression.

ETA: Having read the webpage on the Tac. Sol. suppressors completely now, I wonder if these might not be better in one respect (besides price): The Tac. Sol. suppressors are have the baffles compressed between the end caps, these have the baffles held in place under spring tension. The spring will allow the baffles to move -- try banging the gun end of the suppressor sharply on your hand - you will hear the baffles move -- this could help not to get them "soldered" down as described in the Tac. Sol. web page.

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:12:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tracker:


MGKA556,

Thanks for the tip I will give it a try. Will you be at TCGC today?




Yes -- will be there shortly after noon -- today I will bring a S&W 622 with an SRT Cheyenne and maybe a red TS with a Outback II.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 1:07:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 1:09:05 PM EDT by Noxspector]

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
Since I am waiting for my threaded barrel, and all I can do with mine is basically look at it, anyone care to comment on the level of suppression they are getting -- especially with a buckmark.

Also - did anyone try shooting it with the baffles reversed? Just interested if it made much difference to the suppression.

ETA: Having read the webpage on the Tac. Sol. suppressors completely now, I wonder if these might not be better in one respect (besides price): The Tac. Sol. suppressors are have the baffles compressed between the end caps, these have the baffles held in place under spring tension. The spring will allow the baffles to move -- try banging the gun end of the suppressor sharply on your hand - you will hear the baffles move -- this could help not to get them "soldered" down as described in the Tac. Sol. web page.





NoAim has shot his with his Buckmark. He is at IPSC right now at Tri-County. I'm sure he'll post shortly.

And yes, I did shoot it with the baffles in backwards. It is noticably louder. Not nearly as loud as not having the can, but it does make a difference. That's why NoAim and myself started saying to ourselves that they seemed to be louder than at the demo. Flopped the baffles in the right way....... much better. I have shot only some of the Remington and some of the Aguila 20 grain no powder through it so far. I am looking to pick up some of the Aguila 38&40gr grain stuff soon to try it out.

Thanks TangoFoxtrot for the 20 Grain stuff. Where are you guys picking up the subsonic stuff? Is it locally? All I can find local is the Remington.

Nox
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 1:23:48 PM EDT
Tracker, MGKAC556... Thanks again.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 2:40:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 2:59:21 PM EDT by Tracker]
Philip,

I did shoot a few rounds through the can with the baffles backward, and like Nox said it is much quieter with them installed properly.

Today I shot the following ammo through my 5.5 Field Buckmark. I shot about 300 rounds total.

Remington high velocity (Cycled very well pretty quiet)
Federal Champion HV (Cycled very well pretty quiet)
CCI mini mags (Cycled very well pretty quiet)
Remington Subsonic (This stuff sucked big time. Would not cycle well and had more of a snap sound)
American Eagle 38 grain (Cycled very well but was a little louder that the other ammo) Thanks Munkalido

Philip you were concerned earlier in this thread from my post regarding me not being able to open up my can. Once I started shooting my can today I had to keep tightening the end caps after a few mags, and now I cannot get my threaded suppressor end cap off of my pistol. I think I may use locktite like Mr45 had mentioned in a earlier thread. What a Pita!

All in all I am very pleased with the can. Great can for the money, but I will just need to play with it a bit longer to see what will work best for me.

MGKAC556, Thanks for letting Munkalido & myself shoot your suppressed Ruger. Man that thing is light with the Tac solutions barrel.

Here is a picture of the Buckmark.

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:34:39 PM EDT
So I shot the Buckmark (and others) with a wide variety of ammo today. The Buckmark was getting subsonic velocities in almost all ammo. The Winchester Target Xpert 22 was borderline super sonic (buzzing downrange), and the MiniMags would go super every once in a while. Otherwise, very quiet with most ammo. My favorite is actually the cheap Federal 36 grain high velocity 525 bulk back. Copper plated, and good sound suppression.

Same goes for the CZ Kadet, but things were just a bit slower through it.

The 10/22...well anything labeled as "supersonic" was...supersonic. It was the quietest of all guns through the can.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:18:40 PM EDT
I would have to agree that the Federal 36 grain 525, and Remington 40 grain standard bulk were my favoites as well. Go figure.

How did the subsonic Rem work for you?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:01:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tracker:
I would have to agree that the Federal 36 grain 525, and Remington 40 grain standard bulk were my favoites as well. Go figure.

How did the subsonic Rem work for you?



Just fine, but I wasn't checking point of impact. Just cycling and noise.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:10:19 PM EDT
Thanks for all the info -- especially on the ammo performances. I was going to buy a few thousand Rem. subsonics, but will probably wait now to see how they perform in my Buckmark.

Fortunately, it seems that the Federal bulk stuff and CCI mini-mags seem ok - these are cheap and easy to get (Bi-Mart).

I'm still in two minds about locktighting the end caps. I suspect they will be hard enough to get off later without adding to the problem. Some no-sieze on the muzzle threads might be a better option (assuming the can doesn't then unscrew itself.

Looks like some interesting experimentation lies ahead.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:54:07 PM EDT
The Gun Porn:





Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:27:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tracker:
Philip,

I did shoot a few rounds through the can with the baffles backward, and like Nox said it is much quieter with them installed properly.

Today I shot the following ammo through my 5.5 Field Buckmark. I shot about 300 rounds total.

Remington high velocity (Cycled very well pretty quiet)
Federal Champion HV (Cycled very well pretty quiet)
CCI mini mags (Cycled very well pretty quiet)
Remington Subsonic (This stuff sucked big time. Would not cycle well and had more of a snap sound)
American Eagle 38 grain (Cycled very well but was a little louder that the other ammo) Thanks Munkalido

Philip you were concerned earlier in this thread from my post regarding me not being able to open up my can. Once I started shooting my can today I had to keep tightening the end caps after a few mags, and now I cannot get my threaded suppressor end cap off of my pistol. I think I may use locktite like Mr45 had mentioned in a earlier thread. What a Pita!

All in all I am very pleased with the can. Great can for the money, but I will just need to play with it a bit longer to see what will work best for me.

MGKAC556, Thanks for letting Munkalido & myself shoot your suppressed Ruger. Man that thing is light with the Tac solutions barrel.

Here is a picture of the Buckmark.

www.hunt101.com/img/378877.jpg




Dude! That looks sweet! Damn.. Now I've gotta go get one too... Monkey see, Monkey do, Monkey fling poo.

Mark.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:40:29 AM EDT
Noaim: the Buckmark photo -- thats the same gun I have -- so it looks like you had the existing barrel threaded, and the sight moved backwards by about 1/2" to accomodate the threading - right?

Who did the work? how long did it take? cost?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:48:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 9:50:49 AM EDT by NoAim]

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
Noaim: the Buckmark photo -- thats the same gun I have -- so it looks like you had the existing barrel threaded, and the sight moved backwards by about 1/2" to accomodate the threading - right?

Who did the work? how long did it take? cost?



Yes. Buckmark Camper. Existing barrel threaded and front sight moved rearward.

Mark McWillits of TROS did the work. It took about 4-5 weeks (between gunshows) for it to be done. Cost was $80 for threading + $10 for the sight movment.

The CZ Kadet does not come stock with a threaded barrel either. He did that and put on the adapter. I puchased it already that way.

The 10/22 barrel I also had done by Mark (Stock Adams and Bennet $45 0.920" target barrel).

You can get a Tactical Solutions barrel too already threaded. Supposedly more accurate, lighter, etc. But they run about $180-$200.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 10:06:50 AM EDT
I had already started down the Tactical Solutions barrel route. There is a 3 weeks (or so) backorder. I was just wondering if getting the existing barrel done might be faster.

Looks like its going to be a race between me getting a Tac. Sol. barrel delivered, and Alma getting my Tac-16 paperwork done -- anyone want to take bets on which suppressed gun I fire first? Buckmark? or AR15?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 10:14:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
When I screwed mine on tight and couldn't open it, I used those rubber sheet things that you use to open reluctant bottle/jar tops -- one to hold the body, and the other to press the end-cap against.

I have now put some tetra gun-grease on the threads and flange of the end-caps, and don't tighten it up quite so much.

I wonder what it will be like after a few hundred rounds???



The gun oil will burn off pretty quick. A copper based high-temp anti-seize lightly applied to the threads and to the baffles is a much better idea.

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 12:18:57 PM EDT
Yes ... the grease was really just because I had managed to tighten it up to the point where I couldn't open it again with my hands -- didn't want to go there again

Since then I have cleaned off the grease in my ultrasonic cleaner and coated the threads with no-sieze.
My only problem with it is that its messy stuff to clean up afterwards (but I already knew that from when I used it on my AR flash hider.).

I hadn't thought of applying it to the baffles... that may be a good idea ...
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 1:12:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 4:14:32 PM EDT by Noxspector]
It seems to me that I remember a post or posts in the full auto section that covered this topic. I believe the just of it was not to use the grey/silver automotive anti-sieze, but to use the stuff with copper in it. It will hold up to the high temperatures. Granted the .22 cans probably won't see their temps that high unless full auto.

Nox
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 1:41:14 PM EDT
After all the rounds I fired out of the .22 can, it was just barely warm to the touch (felt nice...and NO I DID NOT STICK IT IN MY PANTS NO MATTER WHAT ILIKE9S SAYS!)
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 5:15:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M-60:


Dude! That looks sweet! Damn.. Now I've gotta go get one too... Monkey see, Monkey do, Monkey fling poo.

Mark.



Thanks Mark.


NoAim, Your Kadet is very cool. How did it perform campared to the Buckmark both in sound & function?

BTW my damn Freedom end cap is still stuck on my pistol. Really is frustrating! Idea's anyone?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 5:38:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/20/2006 5:39:05 PM EDT by PhilipPeake]

Originally Posted By Tracker:
BTW my damn Freedom end cap is still stuck on my pistol. Really is frustrating! Idea's anyone?



Soak the thread (or least what you can see of it) in penetrating oil (kroil, WD40, etc) overnight.

Find something that will give a better grip on the end-cap than just your hand - rubber sheet that is used for opening difficult bottles/jar lids or even a small strap-wrench if you can find one.

Put it into the freezer for an hour or so (for the barrel to contract).

Heat the end-cap (air-dryer) -- it has much less thermal capacity then the barrel, so should expand faster.

Apply whatever you are using to get a good grip -- unscrew.

Link Posted: 2/20/2006 5:40:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tracker:
NoAim, Your Kadet is very cool. How did it perform campared to the Buckmark both in sound & function?



Worked just fine. Damn Cyclones Failed to Fire (leftovers). I do have some issues with it locking back on the mags, but that's without the can as well.

For sound, I think it was just a touch louder than the Buckmark...maybe? Sounded too similar to me.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 6:22:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By Tracker:
BTW my damn Freedom end cap is still stuck on my pistol. Really is frustrating! Idea's anyone?



Soak the thread (or least what you can see of it) in penetrating oil (kroil, WD40, etc) overnight.

Find something that will give a better grip on the end-cap than just your hand - rubber sheet that is used for opening difficult bottles/jar lids or even a small strap-wrench if you can find one.

Put it into the freezer for an hour or so (for the barrel to contract).

Heat the end-cap (air-dryer) -- it has much less thermal capacity then the barrel, so should expand faster.

Apply whatever you are using to get a good grip -- unscrew.




I will give that a try tomorrow since I need to get up for work at 1:00AM.

Thanks Philip.

Brandon, I would like to check out your Kadet sometime. That is if you will let me?
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 6:37:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tracker:
Brandon, I would like to check out your Kadet sometime. That is if you will let me?



I'll bring the lube.

No problem. I actually plan to shoot the Kadet for the Speed Steel match first of the month. Let me know ahead of time and I'll bring the can...or any other time.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 9:22:20 AM EDT
Is it too late to get in on this deal?hinking.gif
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 9:35:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Floyd91:
Is it too late to get in on this deal?



This deal was done about 30-45 days ago. However, the manufacturer is still selling them.

If you're still interested, I'll IM you his contact info.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 9:36:59 AM EDT
It will probally take 2 weeks to finally get through to him though.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 11:27:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
It will probally take 2 weeks to finally get through to him though.



He can be a bit difficult to get hold of. You have to remember that he has a day job, the FFL/SOT work is more of a hobby than anything else. At least he has an e-mail address now, and might be a bit more responsive to that than he was to phone messages.

Anyway, if you are in no great hurry its worth it - they are well made cans and work very well.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 11:30:39 AM EDT
Too bad we didn't get a GB on threaded Buck Marks with extra mags to go with the cans.... or Tac.Sol uppers.... something.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 12:02:54 PM EDT

he has a day job


He does??? Sense when???
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 12:04:06 PM EDT

Too bad we didn't get a GB on Tac.Sol uppers.... something.


You REALLY want to have a groupbuy on firewater...
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 1:20:14 PM EDT
So when are you going to get your FFL and open up a shop in Tigard/Beavertown? Put it next to the Dutch Store so I get get my stroopwafels, zalt drop and firearms in one stop.

Firewater... yeah, but look who's smoking and dying of lung cancer. Guess we got the last laugh there. Oh yeah, I get to eat fresh venison year round
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 1:26:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By munkalido:
So when are you going to get your FFL



The day after he learns how to deal with those pesky Hawaiians...
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 1:31:29 PM EDT
It would be opened now if I knew I could live off of sales from you chumps.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 1:32:23 PM EDT
When you come over for poker I'm going to cough on you.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 1:45:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
When you come over for poker I'm going to cough on you.



Note to others. This is his secret "gay" language describing a sexual act he will perform on you. Be prepared: bring lube and pain pills.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 4:23:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoAim:

Originally Posted By tReznr:
Uh... WTF.

If I laid out the cash for a new NFA item I'd at least expect it to be correctly assembled.



It was an honest mistake by the local manufacturer. He probably just took the wrong end off. No biggie.

Please thread crap no more.



You know....I've stewed over this for a while.....and I have not logged in for a few weeks, simply because I grew tired of having to duck when my posts did not quite satisfy some of the "regulars", but I just have to comment.
You posted this publicly. There was most certainly an error in manufacture/assembly. Had you not wanted "negative" replies, you should have contacted everyone privately!
If I purchased a firearm (and yes, a suppressor is classified as a firearm) that was assembled incorrectly, I would most certainly wish to be notified....not only that, if such a thing happens, I would want to know, even if I did NOT purchase!
To top it off, your demand that there be no "thread crap" is more (IMHO) than unreasonable!

I've no experience with the guy, and I sincerely hope him no ill will, but NoAim, do NOT tell me what I can, and cannot, post here!

I'll leave now.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 4:45:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OregonForester:
I've no experience with the guy, and I sincerely hope him no ill will, but NoAim, do NOT tell me what I can, and cannot, post here!

I'll leave now.



I was trying to provide an informative post. If people start coming in and saying things, "You should have bought a Gemtech" or "That sucks" etc. they are useless posts. They end up degenerating into a list of opinions, flames, etc. that have zero bering on the initial post.

I'm not trying to silence anyone's opinion, but make at least relevant to the thread. As you can see from the original reply, there was nothing informative about tReznr's reply. It's basically a "that sucks" post. Since I was the original poster, I could have requested that the thread be locked by the moderator. In essence, I'd be the "owner" of the thread in compliance with the forum moderator.

This one wasn't bad, but I had a post about Olympic Arms. Within 2 posts, it started into a flamewar that ended up being 2 pages long and not dealing with the original issue. Who wants to read all that crap?

Imagine if you're in a store, looking at a TV to buy. A stranger comes up to you and says, out of the blue, "Don't buy that TV. It's made by Communists in China and will eat your children." Would you view that as a helpful comment?
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