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Posted: 2/15/2006 1:23:48 AM EDT
Anyone been up there lately? Snow, road condition, that giant rock pile in the middle? Thought about going soon, but its a long way if you cant even shoot.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 4:06:16 AM EDT
Was there on Friday:

No snow, roads were fine, great big rock pile still in the middle of everything. There is enough room for maybe 3-4 people to shoot on the right hand side of it.

Not really worth the drive IMO.

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Link Posted: 2/15/2006 7:26:37 AM EDT
It was my understanding that pile of rocks was left there as a deterrant to shooters.

One of our members spoke to an official about it and that was the response.

CH
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 7:41:26 AM EDT

So they would rather have shooting all over the place in the recreational area? Talk about insane officials.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 7:49:01 AM EDT
I'm with Tango....lets go shoot on the trails!
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 7:59:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot:
So they would rather have shooting all over the place in the recreational area? Talk about insane officials.


+1
Dont even ask me about fish ladders
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 8:03:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 8:04:46 AM EDT
This is public land. A permit is required to exploit any natural resources on public land.

We really need to find out who the operator is, talk to them and find out if this is true.

If it is, perhaps they need to understand that there may be SIGNIFICANT opposition to any renewal of their license, or any new license at any other site.

If it turns out that they are doing this on behalf of the sheriff of anyone else, they too need to understand that actions have consequences.

My guess is that this was requested by one of the local sheriff's deputies after they found out that they could not arbitrarily ban shooting there.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 8:11:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
This is public land. A permit is required to exploit any natural resources on public land.

We really need to find out who the operator is, talk to them and find out if this is true.

If it is, perhaps they need to understand that there may be SIGNIFICANT opposition to any renewal of their license, or any new license at any other site.

If it turns out that they are doing this on behalf of the sheriff of anyone else, they too need to understand that actions have consequences.

My guess is that this was requested by one of the local sheriff's deputies after they found out that they could not arbitrarily ban shooting there.



Considering that the rock crushers have a permit ability to operate there there is little anyone could do about it. A simple "that is where we stockpiled during our last run" would end any debate. A good friend owns a rather large rock crushing outfit and tells me that they can pretty much do anything within the pit as long as is within the guidlines of the usage permit. I can assure you there is no clause in there to keep it open for shooting.
CH
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 8:21:19 AM EDT

As long as this has come up, are there any spots anywhere within the National Forests, BLM, etc., with some long range possibilities?

I’m thinking 500 yards, maybe even 1000 yards.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 8:28:55 AM EDT
I don't think pirate guns can go 1000yards.....
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 8:39:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
This is public land. A permit is required to exploit any natural resources on public land.

We really need to find out who the operator is, talk to them and find out if this is true.

If it is, perhaps they need to understand that there may be SIGNIFICANT opposition to any renewal of their license, or any new license at any other site.

If it turns out that they are doing this on behalf of the sheriff of anyone else, they too need to understand that actions have consequences.

My guess is that this was requested by one of the local sheriff's deputies after they found out that they could not arbitrarily ban shooting there.



Considering that the rock crushers have a permit ability to operate there there is little anyone could do about it. A simple "that is where we stockpiled during our last run" would end any debate. A good friend owns a rather large rock crushing outfit and tells me that they can pretty much do anything within the pit as long as is within the guidlines of the usage permit. I can assure you there is no clause in there to keep it open for shooting.
CH



No, there isn't. But it is probably worth talking to them to find out why the pile is there. If its part of their operation then that it. If they say its to prevent shooting, then the question can be asked as to why. Again, if its because the shooting is impeding their business -- too much crap left behind, then ok. If its because someone asked them to do it, that is a different matter.

Permits have to be renewed. New permits are required for new operations. Permits can be opposed.
Particularly when the operators deliberately impede other legal activities for non-operational reasons.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 8:40:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
I don't think pirate guns can go 1000yards.....



You havn't seen what a decent ship's cannon can do then, have you?
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 8:51:16 AM EDT
It looks like we need to find this pit of Bangs'.



S. Louisignont Rd Quarry

It looks deep enough to shoot a 50 out to 3-400 yards?

I tried looking for it on the web but don't have the time to go driving around looking for it. Anyone wana help?

Link Posted: 2/15/2006 9:02:34 AM EDT

You havn't seen what a decent ship's cannon can do then, have you?


Pirate cannon's can go 1000 yards? Impressive.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 9:33:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ilike9s:
It looks like we need to find this pit of Bangs'.

home.comcast.net/~ms97116/tq.jpg

S. Louisignont Rd Quarry

It looks deep enough to shoot a 50 out to 3-400 yards?

I tried looking for it on the web but don't have the time to go driving around looking for it. Anyone wana help?




I have Bang's map and description of the places marked on it.
I tried looking on Google Earth, but the resolution in those areas just isn't good enough to spot anything. Looks like it really does need a trip out there.

My guess is that this is the #1 on Bang's list:



1, 2, 3, 4, are quarry's.
1 and 2 are off S. Lousignont Road.
1 Is a larger quarry shaped like an backward L.
2 Is the quarry with the big rock and the place I "did" MY,,,, applE,,, "tests"!!!!!!!!!
3 Is at the end of fire road 1. It's a smaller quarry but really out of the way.
4 Is being used right now and they are logging the area. It's on Camp 5 road. When they're not logging or taking gravel out for more logging roads, (Usually on the weekends.), Camp 5 road and Rock Creek Ridge Road offer some really great views of the mountains.



(I don't know what the tests are that he refers to -- before anyone asks).

If it doesn't snow too much, maybe I can talk my wife into us taking a ride out there this weekend.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 9:43:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:

You havn't seen what a decent ship's cannon can do then, have you?


Pirate cannon's can go 1000 yards? Impressive.





A ships cannon was referred to by the weight of the shot that it fired. The cannon itself usually weighed around two hundred times the weight of the shot it fired. Hence, an 8 pounder cannon weighed some 1600lbs, but fired a 8 pound ball. The weight of gunpowder needed was approximately half the weight of the shot fired. Ship cannon were made in various sizes from small 2 pounders, to large 24 pounder ship wreckers. Shore fortifications often boasted even heavier cannons. The big 32 pounders were commonly used for this. A typical gun size on a pirate sloop or small schooner would be 4 to 8 pounders. They could fire a cannonball over 1,000 yards. But the maximum effective range was more likely 100 to 200 yards. Cannonballs did little damage at long range, and cannon fire was notoriously inaccurate. These guns also wore out relatively quick. Normally becoming unsafe to use after around 500 to 1,000 shots. Since pirates did not normally intend to sink their prey, their guns were usually loaded with a selection of ammunition effective against personnel or rigging and sails.

Link Posted: 2/15/2006 10:23:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By ilike9s:
It looks like we need to find this pit of Bangs'.

home.comcast.net/~ms97116/tq.jpg

S. Louisignont Rd Quarry

It looks deep enough to shoot a 50 out to 3-400 yards?

I tried looking for it on the web but don't have the time to go driving around looking for it. Anyone wana help?




I have Bang's map and description of the places marked on it.
I tried looking on Google Earth, but the resolution in those areas just isn't good enough to spot anything. Looks like it really does need a trip out there.

My guess is that this is the #1 on Bang's list:



1, 2, 3, 4, are quarry's.
1 and 2 are off S. Lousignont Road.
1 Is a larger quarry shaped like an backward L.
2 Is the quarry with the big rock and the place I "did" MY,,,, applE,,, "tests"!!!!!!!!!
3 Is at the end of fire road 1. It's a smaller quarry but really out of the way.
4 Is being used right now and they are logging the area. It's on Camp 5 road. When they're not logging or taking gravel out for more logging roads, (Usually on the weekends.), Camp 5 road and Rock Creek Ridge Road offer some really great views of the mountains.



(I don't know what the tests are that he refers to -- before anyone asks).

If it doesn't snow too much, maybe I can talk my wife into us taking a ride out there this weekend.



Nope, it would be #2 the one with the big rock. Can you send me that map?


Thanks
9out

Link Posted: 2/15/2006 10:31:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 10:48:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:
www.cybcon.com/~pjp/TimberMap.jpg



Thanks.

Link Posted: 2/15/2006 12:16:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/15/2006 12:17:43 PM EDT by 1022sniperjr]
Guys that pit was only about 100yrds. Looks deeper in the pic. #1 was deeper but pretty narrow. Lots of parking in the L but not much shoulder room. These spots were better suited to small get togethers.

Happy Trails.

Link Posted: 2/15/2006 2:27:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

No, there isn't. But it is probably worth talking to them to find out why the pile is there. If its part of their operation then that it. If they say its to prevent shooting, then the question can be asked as to why. Again, if its because the shooting is impeding their business -- too much crap left behind, then ok. If its because someone asked them to do it, that is a different matter.

Permits have to be renewed. New permits are required for new operations. Permits can be opposed.
Particularly when the operators deliberately impede other legal activities for non-operational reasons.



Not owrth it at all. The crushers will tell you that it is just part of the operation. BLM will say its under special use permit and there is no prevision to keep it acccesable for shooting. Like I said, one of our members spoke to an official(not sure who) and they said it was stockpiled there to detir shooting at hte pit. If it was the crushing outfit that said that, again there is NOTHING you can do about it, public land or not!
If you dont like this then I suggest taking it up with the crushing outfit and the BLM. Good luck.

CH
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 3:43:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/15/2006 4:23:47 PM EDT by TangoFoxtrot]

Here is a 2.2MB PDF map of the Browns Camp area. It has a few mines marked on it. Browns Camp is in the far upper right hand corner:
www.odf.state.or.us/areas/northwest/tillamook/tsf/ohv%20map.pdf

Here is some interesting info on road and trail closures this Winter:
oregon.gov/ODF/TSF/road_and_trail_rpt.shtml

Here are some of Cape's friends complaining about all the shooting at Browns Camp
trails.mtbr.com/cat/united-states-trails/trails-oregon/trail/PRD_169734_4571crx.aspx
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 4:54:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot:
Here is a 2.2MB PDF map of the Browns Camp area. It has a few mines marked on it. Browns Camp is in the far upper right hand corner:
www.odf.state.or.us/areas/northwest/tillamook/tsf/ohv%20map.pdf

Here is some interesting info on road and trail closures this Winter:
oregon.gov/ODF/TSF/road_and_trail_rpt.shtml

Here are some of Cape's friends complaining about all the shooting at Browns Camp
trails.mtbr.com/cat/united-states-trails/trails-oregon/trail/PRD_169734_4571crx.aspx






Sounds like a hill-billy family reunion to me.


THe only bad part about that guy is he likes Hood River. On that note the place the mountain bikers go and ride is fast becomimg a motorcycle gathering point. I have a serious dislike for certain groups of MBers. Every year there is a bunch that fuck shit up, like the yearly blockage of a culvert on Post canyon that results in washing the road out so only the "bikes" can cross. I can only hope that HR would start to sound like "a hill-billy family reunion" and keep some of these asses out!
CH
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 4:55:07 PM EDT
Now this is interesting:

"TRAC Committee – Roger reported on the meeting held on March 4th at the Forest Grove office of the Tillamook State Forest. Recreation Specialist Stephanie Beall has completed a study of recreational shooting activity in the forest and it was presented at the meeting. The main problem has been when people are target shooting in the close proximity of camping areas, like Browns Camp. You can hear the shooting but you don’t know which direction the person is aiming! The rest of the meeting was spent discussing the fiscal year 2003 Operational Plan and the expected effects that logging will have on recreational trails and access. "

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Link Posted: 2/15/2006 5:01:22 PM EDT
Hey who can get some TNT legally clear that pit in the middle REAL quick....

Link Posted: 2/15/2006 6:27:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Anarx:
Hey who can get some TNT legally clear that pit in the middle REAL quick....




You could do it with enough tannerite.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 7:44:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PhilipPeake:

Originally Posted By ilike9s:
It looks like we need to find this pit of Bangs'.

home.comcast.net/~ms97116/tq.jpg

S. Louisignont Rd Quarry

It looks deep enough to shoot a 50 out to 3-400 yards?

I tried looking for it on the web but don't have the time to go driving around looking for it. Anyone wana help?




I have Bang's map and description of the places marked on it.
I tried looking on Google Earth, but the resolution in those areas just isn't good enough to spot anything. Looks like it really does need a trip out there.

My guess is that this is the #1 on Bang's list:



1, 2, 3, 4, are quarry's.
1 and 2 are off S. Lousignont Road.
1 Is a larger quarry shaped like an backward L.
2 Is the quarry with the big rock and the place I "did" MY,,,, applE,,, "tests"!!!!!!!!!
3 Is at the end of fire road 1. It's a smaller quarry but really out of the way.
4 Is being used right now and they are logging the area. It's on Camp 5 road. When they're not logging or taking gravel out for more logging roads, (Usually on the weekends.), Camp 5 road and Rock Creek Ridge Road offer some really great views of the mountains.



(I don't know what the tests are that he refers to -- before anyone asks).

If it doesn't snow too much, maybe I can talk my wife into us taking a ride out there this weekend.


I think i have been there before. I think its out around timber. If its the place me an my buddy found, its not all that deep, and there isnt that much room there. We were just out rallying the roads and came across it. There is the quarry at the end of Cochram road outside of timber, but that place is on private land so i dont feel too comfortable shooting there anymore. besides at best it was still under 100yds. I have a trail map for the TSF and i am having a hell of a time trying to find the rock pits marked on it. But i am having too much fun railing the piss out of my sentra up on the gravel roads to care too much.
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