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Posted: 12/27/2005 3:00:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:10:47 PM EDT
Excellent.

Let us know when we can get a range report. I'm curious how that external extractor will work out for you. I have heard a lot of bad about them, but can't imagine EVERY one causes problems. I'm in the process right now of trying to pick up an Eclipse with an external extractor myself.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:38:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 3:41:57 PM EDT by PromptCritical]
Ahhh. Kimber Tactical Custom II. Love mine.

ETA: And it runs like a top. Can't remember having any malfunctions. Just make sure you keep a hand on that recoil spring cap. They tend to fly during takedown.

Another edit: What do you mean plastic? As far as I can tell, the only plastic on mine is that little thing on the mag floorplate, and that really doesn't count.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:50:50 PM EDT
For what it's worth it's a very nice looking gun, although I know nothing about it.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:54:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 3:55:03 PM EDT by WS4LIF]
I like the first one better, goes through metal detectors just like glocks.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:56:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:58:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:08:20 PM EDT
What I thought I school you all on this. So why didn't you get the SIG P220?

ilike9s >< Peta, CH and the rest of the glock flock.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:22:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:46:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 4:51:33 PM EDT by Orygunman]

Originally Posted By petagunner:

Originally Posted By ilike9s:
What I thought I school you all on this. So why didn't you get the SIG P220?

ilike9s >< Peta, CH and the rest of the glock flock.



HA! I foldled one for quite some time today, but the grip, just didn't sit well with me, dunno, just seemed to tall or something of that nature, too long maybe? dunno, damn fine gun though, just thought I'd drink some of the 1911 koolaid for a while.

Now, anyone want to buy a Beretta 96 Vertec????


For me anyway.... the Sig is quite comfortable with the soft rubber finger grooved Hogue grips.

Congrats on the Kimber, nothing like entering the 1911 arena in style.....I pretty content with a Colt and Springfield

Link Posted: 12/27/2005 5:07:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 5:08:11 PM EDT by PromptCritical]

Originally Posted By petagunner:

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
Ahhh. Kimber Tactical Custom II. Love mine.

ETA: And it runs like a top. Can't remember having any malfunctions. Just make sure you keep a hand on that recoil spring cap. They tend to fly during takedown.

Another edit: What do you mean plastic? As far as I can tell, the only plastic on mine is that little thing on the mag floorplate, and that really doesn't count.



Yeah, the plastic comment was a glock joke for WS4LIF, didn't figure on anyone else getting it, but as far as I can tell, mag bumper is the only plastic so far.

Oh and yes, that damn guide rod bushing does fly pretty far when you are dissasembling the darn thing.



Oh, I got the joke. I figured you went and bought a Glock since you liked the G19 so much.

WS is right, Glocks are da shizznit fo' shizzle!

Edit to add smilie.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 5:17:29 PM EDT
Very nice gun.
As far as the external extractor, dont let it bother ya. That is the one area on a 1911 that could have used a bit of improvment. It has been a soar spot for us purests but mostly because its change.

Welcome to 1911s; The 350 of the handgun world! Oh your a ford guy. I ment the 351 of the handgun world.
CH
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 7:19:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 7:19:58 PM EDT by WS4LIF]

and my face


Good to see dad teaching good firearm handling skills.....better not get the Glock then, might think it's a toy and then dad's missing a tv, fridge and head!
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 7:30:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 7:47:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ilike9s:
What I thought I school you all on this. So why didn't you get the SIG P220?

ilike9s >< Peta, CH and the rest of the glock flock.



I've got a P220, trust me he's better off with the Kimber
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:04:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:

Originally Posted By ilike9s:
What I thought I school you all on this. So why didn't you get the SIG P220?

ilike9s >< Peta, CH and the rest of the glock flock.



I've got a P220, trust me he's better off with the Kimber



Classic! !
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:12:29 PM EDT
Mmmmmmmm, Kimber.......I missed out on a clackamas made one a buddy had for sale a year and a half ago. Two days after I bought my AK, he tells me I could have it for $350.......shoulda took the AK back...

On the brighter side, I worked on a Glock tonight! Got my Pa in law some new sights and a SS guide rod for X-mas....put those on this evening.

Nice Kimber BTW.....can I ask how much?
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:13:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:16:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:16:58 PM EDT
I am happy for you - I'm getting my first 1911 (Kimber Eclipse) in March and can't wait!!!

I've only owned 9mm, 40S&W and .357 to date. Looking forward to stepping up to the big bore.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:30:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By double_trouble_2003:
I am happy for you - I'm getting my first 1911 (Kimber Eclipse) in March and can't wait!!!

I've only owned 9mm, 40S&W and .357 to date. Looking forward to stepping up to the big bore.



Ans so it spreads....
MWHAHAHAHAH!
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:35:11 PM EDT
Dang, just noticed.... external extractor....


(still beats the 220 tho!)
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:37:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
Dang, just noticed.... external extractor....


(still beats the 220 tho!)





Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:40:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 6:12:40 AM EDT by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
Dang, just noticed.... external extractor....


(still beats the 220 tho!)



Like I said, the extractor thing is a bother only to us 1911 snobs!
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 8:42:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 11:04:41 PM EDT
Hahahah NOW HOW DO YOU FEEL!!.. Muhahahaha it's the nit picking like what i got with my AR.. hahah FACE!
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 11:27:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By petagunner:

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
Like I said, the extractor thing is a bother to the only us 1911 snobs!



So, this is gonna be a problem huh?

Any way to fix this problem that I have not even realized is there?



There is a suggestion in the Kimber forum F.A.Q. about wolf spring and new extractor part. I myself won't be bothering unless I do run into a problem when I get mine. It will be a range gun anyway. I have a Pro Carry for defensive purposes.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 6:12:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 6:27:53 AM EDT by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By JAFO:

Originally Posted By petagunner:

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
Like I said, the extractor thing is a bother only to us 1911 snobs!



So, this is gonna be a problem huh?

Any way to fix this problem that I have not even realized is there?



There is a suggestion in the Kimber forum F.A.Q. about wolf spring and new extractor part. I myself won't be bothering unless I do run into a problem when I get mine. It will be a range gun anyway. I have a Pro Carry for defensive purposes.



Solid advice.

The external extractor runs fine and if there is trouble easy to fix with the suggestion above.
There are two schools of thought on extraction on a 1911.
Internal, the original. Solid system that has proven itself over the years. The only real drawback is the only way to adjust tension is the tweak/bend the extractor. Now tell me how you control that with any measurable accuracy? It can be trying. Not impossible, just not ....measurable..?...
Extternal. Well it kinda speaks for itself really. Easy to get to, easy to adjust with different load springs and cheaper to make IIRC. Downside, is like any other upgrade its had growing pains. But to say that the external extractor is a weak system is to say the alot of other handguns that run fine with them are weak as well.

One more thing that ads to the purists dislike of the external extractor is that S&W and SIG, were one of the first if not first to introduce this system. Both companies that many 1911 people said should have stayed out of the 1911 business. S&W has alot of bad blood out there still so that surely didnt help.

Peta, I wouldnt worry about it at all. Run it first and then if you run into trouble we will dial it in.

CH
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 7:26:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:19:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By petagunner:
Gunkata, it comes with the territory though, but in my defense, my Kimber has more metal in it than your AR does........



Word
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 11:57:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:

Originally Posted By petagunner:
Gunkata, it comes with the territory though, but in my defense, my Kimber has more metal in it than your AR does........



Word



No kidding. As much as I love Glocks (and I do), there is definitely something to be said for having a solid piece of steel in your hands.

(Never mind that the Tactical Custom has an aluminum frame)

I like the aluminum frame anyways. I think the gun balances better. But that's just me. (probably something to do with my Glock fetish) If I want to shoot a heavy, all steel beast, I've got the Desert Eagle. If Kimber ever make another Tac Custom with a rail, I'll be all over it.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 12:42:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 12:42:42 PM EDT by Q-Man]
Actually, take a closer look at the main spring housing (the hammer spring housing on the backstrap of the pistol). The two Kimbers I own came with plastic spring housings.

I have a TLE/RL II with an external extractor. 0 problems. It's one of the most reliable guns I've owned.

Link Posted: 12/28/2005 12:50:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Q-Man:
Actually, take a closer look at the main spring housing (the hammer spring housing on the backstrap of the pistol). The two Kimbers I own came with plastic spring housings.

I have a TLE/RL II with an external extractor. 0 problems. It's one of the most reliable guns I've owned.

cquickstad.home.comcast.net/Kimber_Custon_TLE_RLII.jpg



Purdy!
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 12:56:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 1:09:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By petagunner:
...I heard a wise ol poster on this forum (CH) once say...



And you believed him! Amazing!
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 1:12:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 1:27:38 PM EDT
I have the same Kimber. It rests just fine in the safe next to the Glocks with no problems. I used it for a full day of training at Oregon Firearms Academy and it ran great. In all I shot 400-500 rounds and I had two FTE and could not pinpoint the cause as we are trained to clear and get back into the fight ASAP. It may have been due to 200gr rounds and I threw those in just for training. It ate 230 Speer GD with no issues. I carried it in a Milt Sparks VM II for about 6 months and loved it.

I reverted back to a Glock 23 simply for capacity reasons. The Kimber will remain in the safe and passed down to son/daughter in time.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 3:05:20 PM EDT
Oh, important tip: Keep that barrel well oiled, otherwise you WILL start to see rust appear.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 7:50:51 PM EDT
Nice lookin' 1911. I love the things, but they don't like me. No matter what I do, the thumb safety tears a hole in the web of my thumb. I have had a number of them, All the same, even with plenty of good smithin'. Oh well, I can look and admire.
BTW, where did you pick it up at? Larry's, RGS, or Flyin' Clouds? I just picked up a Taurus 605 at Larry's and a Sig Mosquito at Flyin' Clouds. Santa was good to me this year.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:09:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OrARGB:
I reverted back to a Glock 23 simply for capacity reasons.



I never understood that school of thought. I mean were does it end? Sure you can carry 3 mags and have uber firepower. Why not a G26 with G18 mags? Hell why not a m11 or tec nine?

Reality is you should be shooting to escape not shooting for an extended exchange of gunfire. I read somwhere that the average number of shots fired by sombody defending themselves was 2. I could go one but wont...

Again I just dont see the need in a CCW.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:12:12 PM EDT
I think any gun needs 10 rounds minimum. 7 is just too low....better hope there's only one guy....
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:13:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 8:14:40 PM EDT by Cape_hunter]
From an arti on point shooting....

Remember these are also LEO shootings in which case they are intentionally going into bad juju areas.


I don't know where the requirement for high capacity mags came from. Not from serious gun studies as far as I know.

One of the findings of the study of 6000 police combat cases by the NYPD that the average number of shots fired by individual officers in an armed confrontation was between two and three rounds. And that the two to three rounds fired per incident remained constant over the ten years covered by the initial SOP 9 report. It also substantiated an earlier study by the L.A.P.D. (1967) which found that 2.6 rounds per encounter were discharged.





I agree that 10 is a good number. That is why my carry gun has 8 rounder in it backed up by 2 tens!
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:15:20 PM EDT
CH seems to have a grasp on the extractor issue. I frankly do not trust external extractor 1911s. A problem with an internal extractor is easily cured with a Wilson Bulletproof extractor. They are pre tensioned and usually run perfectly out of the package. If you have an issue someone with experience on 1911s can easily show you how to tension your extractor. With the externals you're stuck with what ya got.

2 FTEs is unacceptable during a course. Definitely track down the problem.


Capacity: If I cant solve the problem with 9 rounds of .45acp 230gr JHPs (+2 spare 8 round mags)then I should have brought a rifle.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:28:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
CH seems to have a grasp on the extractor issue. I frankly do not trust external extractor 1911s. A problem with an internal extractor is easily cured with a Wilson Bulletproof extractor. They are pre tensioned and usually run perfectly out of the package. If you have an issue someone with experience on 1911s can easily show you how to tension your extractor. With the externals you're stuck with what ya got.

2 FTEs is unacceptable during a course. Definitely track down the problem.


Capacity: If I cant solve the problem with 9 rounds of .45acp 230gr JHPs (+2 spare 8 round mags)then I should have brought a rifle.



"A handgun should be used to fight your way back to your rifle" Clint Smith
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:31:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:


"A handgun should be used to fight your way back to your rifle" Clint Smith




In my case that's usually to the trunk of the car
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 8:33:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:


"A handgun should be used to fight your way back to your rifle" Clint Smith




In my case that's usually to the trunk of the car



+1
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:05:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:12:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 10:13:09 PM EDT by GackMan]
Someone say purdy 1911?





Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:27:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GackMan:
Someone say purdy 1911?


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You should go to the range with it just like that. Tag and all!
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:39:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoAim:

Originally Posted By GackMan:
Someone say purdy 1911?


img294.imageshack.us/img294/3747/kimberwarrior1nk.jpg





You should go to the range with it just like that. Tag and all!



Mini Pearl pistol... LOL

Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:43:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 10:45:08 PM EDT by Hoppy]
Just got my Rinco project back from the nickel plater before Christmas. Old school 1911A1, extractor and all.

No plastic either!

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