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Posted: 3/15/2006 12:47:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 12:50:33 PM EDT by 006]
There will be a anti-illegal alien meeting Saturday at Noon on the Capitol steps in Atlanta. 80% of Georgians want something done about it. Lets get rid of these Felons, Beggers, and Parasites. More at www.numbersusa.com and thedustininmansociety.org
If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:07:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 006:
If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem!!!!!!!

Where does the equal sign fall under?
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:29:18 PM EDT
Anybody that aids, condones, abets, hires, etcetera = problem. It is a growing cancer . The effects are far reaching. Legislation is being passed to help eliminate the problem, including reduced LEGAL immigration-we are getting overcrowded as it is. They are taking money out of your pocket if not directly, then through theft of social services.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 4:18:56 PM EDT
006, I guess you better get a rope and hange me on a tree, I married an illegal. Believe me, just like anything else some are a problem, most are just trying to make a buck to have a better life. There are better fights than this. I'll stick to the fights that concern my rights.

As far as my tax dollars are concerned paying for illegals, well how about getting all the unemployed never wanting to work LEGAL deadbeats off of wellfair and save us ALOT more than spending more money deporting illegals to have them march right back.

Go sell crazy somewhere else, I'm all stocked up here.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 4:37:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By A-Train:
006, I guess you better get a rope and hange me on a tree, I married an illegal. Believe me, just like anything else some are a problem, most are just trying to make a buck to have a better life. There are better fights than this. I'll stick to the fights that concern my rights.

As far as my tax dollars are concerned paying for illegals, well how about getting all the unemployed never wanting to work LEGAL deadbeats off of wellfair and save us ALOT more than spending more money deporting illegals to have them march right back.

Go sell crazy somewhere else, I'm all stocked up here.




Ladies and Gentleman, Part of the problem!
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 4:52:44 PM EDT
I think if the people are gonna be here, then they need to be naturalized, as is .gov policy. It needs to be made next to impossible to flee back to Mexico after commtiing a crime. There have been too many cases locally where some illegals killed someone, and just disappeared back across the border. Also, I know of a guy that was deported after being caught selling drugs, and within 3 months he was back with new papers and a new name.

On the other hand, as A-Train said, there are some good folks here that are just trying to have a better life.

Part of the solution is on the shoulders of these people. If they want to stay, then they need to defeat the negative imagery coming from their own countrymen, and contribute, and put down those that don't contribute.

Same goes for welfare leaches and any other aspect of society that had a negative image.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:24:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 5:43:10 PM EDT by 006]

Originally Posted By Kletzenklueffer:
I think if the people are gonna be here, then they need to be naturalized, as is .gov policy. It needs to be made next to impossible to flee back to Mexico after commtiing a crime. There have been too many cases locally where some illegals killed someone, and just disappeared back across the border. Also, I know of a guy that was deported after being caught selling drugs, and within 3 months he was back with new papers and a new name.

On the other hand, as A-Train said, there are some good folks here that are just trying to have a better life.

Part of the solution is on the shoulders of these people. If they want to stay, then they need to defeat the negative imagery coming from their own countrymen, and contribute, and put down those that don't contribute.

Same goes for welfare leaches and any other aspect of society that had a negative image.





Problem! Detain and deport! No extradition with Mexico. DREGS-stay home develop your own country -you have the same natural resources. The problem with most of these folks here illegally is that they do not wish to assimilate into our culture, they wish to feed from it. The second largest source of income to the Mexican economy (and we are talking Mexicans here because that is where the bulk, but not all, of the illegal aliens come from) is money sent to Mexico earned in the United States via illegal labor. There is no incentive for the Mexican government to help us, because they are profiting from the problem. There is no incentive for illegals not to come here, because they are being furnished maps by their government with which to circumvent our borders. They disregard our laws and ignore our culture, for the most part not even making any attempt to learn our language, but instead, forcing more drain on government resorces by breaking laws and forcing the government to provide translators with which these people navigate OUR judicial system. We pay taxes used to support the Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid systems, they pay nothing, however, they sap our already overburdened system further. If they are not here legally, there is no reason for them to get insurance, a driver's license, etc., and as we have seen many times in the past, if they kill someone, they flee to their "home" country, another CLUE that they really have no desire to assimilate here, but merely wish to suck off the teat of America as long as it suits them. I don't understand why there should be any disagreement on this issue. If you pay taxes and you are here legally, then you should be able to understand the huge threat this problem is to our country.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:44:14 PM EDT
006,

Your as shallow as the kiddie pool at the YMCA. These people arent the problem. The problem is gov.org turning the other way allowing them to stay here illegal when as K said, they should be naturalized and pay taxes like the rest of us. This would also resolve the issue of the criminal aspect because you could deport those who have records. This could only benefit society.

Overpopulate you said? Okay, lets work on the single mothers having 4 kids with 3 different men and still never married.

All the arguments you are making are radical at best and you have no logical solution without costing BILLIONS of dollars. And guess who totes that note.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:04:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 6:14:50 PM EDT by 006]
You will be detained and deported, I will see to it . Just a matter of time. I have your number. Some one like Mario who has Engineering skills and speaks several languages is a different story. We do not need another furniture salesman-go back to Brazil. Tax dollars my ass!
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:28:08 PM EDT
I will get you!
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:37:39 PM EDT
I will take what you are saying as a joke, I sincerely hope that is the case.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:42:48 PM EDT
Not a joke and legal!!!!!
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:58:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/16/2006 3:06:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 006:
I will get you!



Please take a minute to read the COC oo6

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Threats, direct or implied are not legal......

Site Staff.....Check please......
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 3:10:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By A-Train:
I will take what you are saying as a joke, I sincerely hope that is the case.



I would copy this entire post and forward it to your local Law Enforcement for their perusal ATrain..... The threat seems real enough to me..... Always take threats of this nature as serious......
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:32:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 6:33:35 AM EDT by Lawman734]

Originally Posted By Head_Space:

Originally Posted By A-Train:
I will take what you are saying as a joke, I sincerely hope that is the case.



I would copy this entire post and forward it to your local Law Enforcement for their perusal ATrain..... The threat seems real enough to me..... Always take threats of this nature as serious......



For what? As rediculous as I think some of 006's comments are, to be considered a terroristic threat he has to be capable of carrying out the threat at the time he utters it, which is clearly not the case as well as another key thing-there was no specific threat other than "I'll get you".
I'll tell you exactly what will happen when it gets forwarded to detectives. It'll get shoved in a file cabinet and most likely never get worked on. Most every agency- particularly in the metro area, are short handed as it is and have to work on a triage type system. What I mean is that a lot of cases have to be prioritized before they are worked on and a case like this won't make the cut. Since the felony (Terroristic threats and acts) don't fit, anything else that it will fit under is consider a low end misdemeanor, which means it's not going to get worked on.

Your best bet is going to be to forward everything to a moderator (sorry book) or site staff and have him booted.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 12:47:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lawman734:

Originally Posted By Head_Space:

Originally Posted By A-Train:
I will take what you are saying as a joke, I sincerely hope that is the case.



I would copy this entire post and forward it to your local Law Enforcement for their perusal ATrain..... The threat seems real enough to me..... Always take threats of this nature as serious......



For what? As rediculous as I think some of 006's comments are, to be considered a terroristic threat he has to be capable of carrying out the threat at the time he utters it, which is clearly not the case as well as another key thing-there was no specific threat other than "I'll get you".
I'll tell you exactly what will happen when it gets forwarded to detectives. It'll get shoved in a file cabinet and most likely never get worked on. Most every agency- particularly in the metro area, are short handed as it is and have to work on a triage type system. What I mean is that a lot of cases have to be prioritized before they are worked on and a case like this won't make the cut. Since the felony (Terroristic threats and acts) don't fit, anything else that it will fit under is consider a low end misdemeanor, which means it's not going to get worked on.

Your best bet is going to be to forward everything to a moderator (sorry book) or site staff and have him booted.



My intention, though not well iterated (I realize) now was to make the statement to ATrain, that if the Police have record of this (He did state that he has ATrain's number..... what does he mean? His address? His social? His Phone Number? or is it just an expression? We do not know.... It would seem prudent to me that if something were to mysteriously happen to him or his quite legal bride, it would be a matter of public record (aside form this forum)......

I am not a Lawyer, but I do know that if I were threatened that it would be a matter of record. When the detectives are questioning me, I could make the statement that I feared for my personal well being and my family was threatened, I defended myself to the best of my ability.

And yes I did post the COC so that a moderator might have a look-see at this situation....

Paging Mr. Book......
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 12:48:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 12:51:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 1:11:01 PM EDT
If I could jump in here ONLY as it relates to the tax portion of your argument.....


Originally Posted By 006:
We pay taxes used to support the Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid systems, they pay nothing.



In order for a business owner to deduct the wages he pays, whether it be to an American or an illegal alien, is to report those wages he paid to the employee on the Company's 941. As part of the 941 he remits the amount withheld from the employees paycheck. The amount withheld is the same thing that comes out of your paycheck. Federal income taxes, social security, and medicare.

The government is benefiting from these withholdings.....the money is withheld and sent to the feds, the govt keeps the money becuase these people don't file their 1040's. Would you like to know what would happen if they did files their 1040's? Well, since you asked.....the govt would have to give them a refund becuase they OVERPAID.

So, as you see. They do pay taxes, they do fund our society, and our society is benefiting not only from their cheap labor but their TAX payments.



Also, don't forget about the sales taxes, gas taxes, alcohol taxes, tobacco taxes, phone taxes, property taxes, and every other fucking tax that they have to pay to live in this country!


Just damn.....I should be an economics teacher.

Accountant
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 1:33:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 1:55:14 PM EDT
I like Accountant90210 Better

That is interesting man, thanks for the info.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 2:38:28 PM EDT
Most Illegals working for legit companies file with high exemptions, ie 14 dependents, married etc. That way they maxmize their take home pay. So in reality, they underpay taxes. How do I know .... I had a candid talk with a guy that likely was Illegal but miraculously had a social security card that looked like the real thing.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 3:08:36 PM EDT
For those that know me.....they know that I work 99% hispanic labor. I'm in the residential framing labor business. I have over 30 crews consisting of hispanics from several latin countries. I only hire legal guys with a Tax ID or SS# and who fill out my W9's and also carry workmans comp certificates. I'm sure somewhere I don't do everything by the book but I learn new stuff everyday and try to run a legit business. I do know that several of the guys that work on the crews are illegal,but the guys I deal with are legal. They are subcontractors.

I'm for the "Fair Tax". I am also for regulating immigration. I think that their needs to be a registration of illegals so that at least we know they are here. An employer should have to vouch for the illegals and sponsor them to be here. I need hispanics for my livelihood to carry on. I profit from their labor as they profit from the work I give them. I see no wrong in that. I do see wrong when they evade their taxes. The fair tax would fix alot of issues that deal with immigration and illegal activities of untraceable money. I would like to hear someones take such as Accountant's on this issue.

I suppose I should watch my back from 006 now. He might have my number too.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 5:01:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Accountant30339:
If I could jump in here ONLY as it relates to the tax portion of your argument.....

In order for a business owner to deduct the wages he pays, whether it be to an American or an illegal alien, is to report those wages he paid to the employee on the Company's 941. As part of the 941 he remits the amount withheld from the employees paycheck. The amount withheld is the same thing that comes out of your paycheck. Federal income taxes, social security, and medicare.

The government is benefiting from these withholdings.....the money is withheld and sent to the feds, the govt keeps the money becuase these people don't file their 1040's. Would you like to know what would happen if they did files their 1040's? Well, since you asked.....the govt would have to give them a refund becuase they OVERPAID.

So, as you see. They do pay taxes, they do fund our society, and our society is benefiting not only from their cheap labor but their TAX payments.



Also, don't forget about the sales taxes, gas taxes, alcohol taxes, tobacco taxes, phone taxes, property taxes, and every other fucking tax that they have to pay to live in this country!


Just damn.....I should be an economics teacher.

Accountant



Accountant, I don't know if this is true, but I'm under the impression that a lot of the illegals are paid under the table in cash. If this is true, then there is no witholding to go to the Guv'ment. If someone is illegal, I don't see how an employer can collect taxes and send them to the Gov't if the employee doesn't have a tax ID number of some sort.

Someone I know who runs a small business will pay the spouse or someone else the illegal knows who is legal so that it looks legit on the books.

America is the greatest country because we have such a diverse population. I'd like to see the illegals shipped back to where they came. They can wait in line like everybody else, and come back when it is their turn.

I know I'm lucky as hell to have been born in the US and very thankful for it.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 5:19:13 PM EDT
Just so you all know, I AM NOW AN AMERICAN
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:18:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mikefromphilly:
Most Illegals working for legit companies file with high exemptions, ie 14 dependents, married etc. That way they maxmize their take home pay. So in reality, they underpay taxes.



They can attempt to do this. If you claim more than 8 dependants on your W-4, you are required to provide the dependants social security number to the IRS. This must be done before you will be paid.



Originally Posted By 00bulitt:
The fair tax would fix alot of issues that deal with immigration and illegal activities of untraceable money. I would like to hear someones take such as Accountant's on this issue.



I don't want to get into the deails of the plan, becuase Neill needs his $19.95 to continue the fight, but I will say this; the Fair Tax is the best plan that has been discussed in a looooong time. It is too bad that it will never pass. The politicans will never give up their power.



Originally Posted By birdbarian:
Accountant, I don't know if this is true, but I'm under the impression that a lot of the illegals are paid under the table in cash. If this is true, then there is no witholding to go to the Guv'ment. If someone is illegal, I don't see how an employer can collect taxes and send them to the Gov't if the employee doesn't have a tax ID number of some sort.



If you wish to circumvent the law there is always a way to do it. Understand that eventually you will be caught and you will pay the price.

You actually think the govt would let something like a social security # stop them from collecting taxes? I needed a good laugh.



How else may I serve you gentlemen?
Accountant
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:20:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 6:21:32 PM EDT by Accountant30339]

Originally Posted By A-Train:
I like Accountant90210 Better




The drama on this board has been killing me lately. I need a break to let my ulcers heal.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:44:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Accountant30339:

Originally Posted By A-Train:
I like Accountant90210 Better




The drama on this board has been killing me lately. I need a break to let my ulcers heal.



I got your drama, pal.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:57:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 7:04:39 PM EDT by Accountant30339]

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:

Originally Posted By Accountant30339:

Originally Posted By A-Train:
I like Accountant90210 Better




The drama on this board has been killing me lately. I need a break to let my ulcers heal.



I got your drama, pal.




(Edited to remove a smartass comment to good ole Bradd_D........It can be reinserted at a later date )
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:37:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 7:38:07 PM EDT by A-Train]
Oh I'm feelin da love again fellas, thanks for the change of tone in here
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:59:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BookHound:
To all immigrants - LEARN ENGLISH! That is the offical language of this country.

Actually, it isn't. The United States does not have an official language. However, some states specify English as the official state language. A lot of times, this is primarily related to state government - ie, the language of the government is English.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:15:44 AM EDT
I figure the official language of the US is


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Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:36:16 AM EDT
Kletzenklueffer,

Where does the "Dire Wolf" come from? It's not your sig line but I don't know what else to call it.

Accountant
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 11:01:44 AM EDT
Dire Wolf is a Grateful Dead song. I'm transitioning to the name ecuase when I have gone to meets with people from the internet, no one knows how to say Kletzenklueffer.

It's a song about this guy in a cabin and a "heavy dude" comes around and where this dude shows up, "things" happen.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 2:56:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kletzenklueffer:
Dire Wolf is a Grateful Dead song. I'm transitioning to the name ecuase when I have gone to meets with people from the internet, no one knows how to say Kletzenklueffer.

It's a song about this guy in a cabin and a "heavy dude" comes around and where this dude shows up, "things" happen.



What, Kletzensomethingorother doesn't count??
Link Posted: 3/21/2006 5:04:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/21/2006 5:04:43 PM EDT by DOUGHERTY03]
I say they can stay. As long as they let me date their smoking hot latin hottie daughters.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:56:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lawman734:

Originally Posted By Kletzenklueffer:
Dire Wolf is a Grateful Dead song. I'm transitioning to the name ecuase when I have gone to meets with people from the internet, no one knows how to say Kletzenklueffer.

It's a song about this guy in a cabin and a "heavy dude" comes around and where this dude shows up, "things" happen.



What, Kletzensomethingorother doesn't count??



You have to be abel to say it to make it sound like a heavy dude name.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 12:56:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 1:51:19 PM EDT by HK_Shooter_03]
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