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Just got back from a weekend of camping with the Boy Scouts where my youngest was inducted in to Order of the Arrow. (We live in St Louis)
I grew up in KC and am a proud Hardway Warrior of the Tribe of Mic-O-Say.
So what do you guys think? Which one is cooler??
(This is just for fun...they are both great programs)
You trying to stir some shit? Man, OA vs MoS in Scouting is like asking Glock or 1911 / AR vs AK around here.
Personally I am a bit biased, as an active staff member at the home of MoS. However I will relate some of my observations. It should also be noted that I am a Geiger Tribesman however while I do respect Bartle Tribesman I am not a fan of some of their practices.
I am the Health Officer at Geiger which gives me the opportunity to talk to allot of the leaders and kids about their experience at camp. For Geiger, and the Pony Express Council MoS is the only reason either still exist, the reverse is true also, MoS wouldn't survive in its current form in a larger council.
Geiger manages to attract 350-450 scouts (plus another 100 or so scouters) each 7 day camping session through out the year (6 sessions). 60% of those are out of council troops. We have troops come from all over the US, one from Texas has been coming for 6 years now.
All of these troops will say the exact same thing about MoS vs OA. The leadership, program, and the motivation for older campers to return is of a completely different caliber with MoS. This isn't to say that there aren't some very well run OA groups (lodges?) out there, but they seem to be the minority and don't last in the long term because of the ever changing leadership, or the ones that do are ran by the adults (which is what MoS is often criticized for).
The Pony Express Council and Heart of America (Bartle) both have some of the highest rates of returning campers, and more importantly, Eagle Scouts of any council in the US and are often looked at by National. Unfortunately MoS doesn't translate well to a National honor society, nor does it want to be. Hell the Bartle and Geiger reservations are barely on speaking terms on a good day, and allot of younger tribesmen don't know of the other's existence, let alone of the several other camps that also have MoS programs (or atleast programs very closely modeled after them).
Basically my thought: Go for MoS, the program is designed to keep the scout involved to a lot older age and only serves to reinforce the ideals of scouting and encourage the drive to obtain their Eagle. If you join a troop in St. Louis suggest to them that maybe they should give Geiger (or even Bartle
) a shot. Generally once a troop has tasted what MoS has to offer they won't go back to OA.