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Posted: 12/19/2005 5:04:36 AM EDT
OK, I'll admit, I want to build an AK! That being said, is there any interest in getting a few of us together some Saturday to build AKs from receivers and parts kits? Looks like a receiver can be had for less than a hondo, as can a Romanian parts kit...

Maybe have it at some place like Bills, so we can "proof" our work?

Just throwing it out there...

Pat

Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:49:53 AM EDT
I'm in on something like that. We'll need to do it at a Machine Shop, though. It's not like putting an AR together. Much more drilling, etc.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:58:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 7:03:34 AM EDT by Cataclysm]
The main tool you need when building an AK is a BFH.

We tested this over the weekend. It works.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 8:10:32 AM EDT
My brother wants to build an AK, so, I'll say yes for him.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 8:49:08 AM EDT
You saying I can put an AK together for a couple hundred bones? If so, I'd be in.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 9:01:34 AM EDT
The parts are even available in the EE!
For example:


Likemopar (here in Minnesota) sells receivers for $89
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=122&t=292226

Kits with most of the other parts

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=123&t=303488 $90


Required rivets - $7 or $8, depending upon if you want a folder
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=123&t=295511

Comes to just shy of 2 bills...
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:21:26 AM EDT
I would also be interested.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 10:23:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By brianengy:
I would also be interested.



Me too, but I would need time to buy all the parts because I have none I just feel I need one.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:18:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 8:57:13 AM EDT by Cataclysm]
Would you plan on having a tool to install the rivets if this were to be set up? To me, installing the rivets is one of the more challenging parts which is why am choosing to machine screw mine together. Well installing the barrel back into the front trunnion isn't very fun either but is do-able. (Many thanks again to Death451 for helping me with that project. Even though its aviodable. Maybe we can use saftey glasses next time! ) I am pondering building a fixed stock AK in the future as well and if there was an easier way to install the rivets I would be for that. My Yugo Underfolder project might be done soon after some hot bluing and when I get the compliance parts I need.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:48:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2005 11:48:58 AM EDT by Delobius]
I don't have a frickin' clue how to put together an AK, or even operate any of the machines necessary to do so...but if others were around, I'd love to give it a try! Mainly because it's so cheap...
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 11:54:58 AM EDT
Ditto. I don't have any AKs, and really NEED another evil rifle for my collection. If I could get into that setup for a couple hundred and learn how to put one together in the same step, I'm in like Flynn!

Link Posted: 12/19/2005 12:44:59 PM EDT
I too would be interested, but would need time to get all of the parts together!

Brad
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 12:45:19 PM EDT
It would be cool to add an AK to my collection! I'd be up for something like this, I just have no idea where to start.

Rick
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 1:02:08 PM EDT
I'm interested. I have a 18" bolt cutter that I'm converting to a rivet tool. My flat bending jig should be done in a couple weeks. I should have a 12 ton shop press by next week too. I still need to order a spot welder for the rails.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 1:04:46 PM EDT
There is also this thread. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=28&t=216759

if anyone wants to go to Pipestone. I'd like to.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 1:08:30 PM EDT
I, too would need a bit of time/money/assistance to put one together...which is why I thought about a group build! SOMEONE must know how to do it!

Anyway - lets (the collective lets) start beating the bushes for someplace we could put these together. I have a few folks in mind that may have the tools and the room...

Sounds like Eli has nearly everything...and I can bring a MIG welder and gas...

Timeframe thoughts from everyone?
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 1:34:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Pharcta2:

...and I can bring a MIG welder and gas...



I got that covered too

It would be at least a month until I would be able to do anything
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 1:53:53 PM EDT
I would like to get into an AK sooner rather then later, but I would need some help in exactly what to buy because I have zero knowlage on them. And I am not what you would call "A Tool Master" because I don't know much on using bending presses and other big stuff, so help with that would be fricken sweat!

I am game for a weekend in Jan or Feb depending on where the shop is that we would use. (IE Pipestone is not out of the question but I would rather drive there in the summer just because of bad snowy weather I could be SOL getting there or home from there )
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 3:38:36 PM EDT
I'd be in for a build. I'm one of those who would need to lean on the expertise of others, as I have the mechanical ability of a rock...or a BFH.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 6:12:23 PM EDT
Heck, I'd be happy to just be able to change the barrel on my SAR-1. I've done metalwork in the past, but I have few tools to do that with.
Link Posted: 12/19/2005 7:14:28 PM EDT
I would be interested in an AK build. Have BFH will travel!!!

Where to get the parts? How much for the full gun?
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:27:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:34:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By iNuhBaDNayburhood:
What do you guys think?



I would like to have more then one, as long as I can find some more Wolf ammo around here
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 5:52:36 AM EDT
interested- in buying one anyway!!!!! christ, what do you need a welder for??!?!?!!?
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 6:31:43 AM EDT
For $200 each, I can finally realize my dream of having an AK in the trunk, in the wife's trunk, in the guest bathroom, in the pantry, under the couch...
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 7:07:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 7:21:28 AM EDT
Seems like we have some interest! As I currently have more time off than I would like, I will start contacting various EE vendors and checking on the possibilities of a group buy for the parts.

IM or e-mail me by January 1 so I can get a count. Let me know how many AKs you wou would be interested in putting together. No money needed now, this will still be in the negotiation phase.


We still need to figure out the where/when part...

Link Posted: 12/20/2005 7:46:23 AM EDT
IM sent!
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 8:42:30 AM EDT
A group buy on parts sounds like a great idea. I would definately be in on that. And I might have my yugo done by the time anyone is able to do anything, so I might even be of some help!
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 9:37:20 AM EDT
IM sent here, too! Bring on the hammer!
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 9:47:32 AM EDT
I just stopped in at Oak Grove Arms - they have complete receivers for $99.99 - no cutting, no welding, nothing but a little dremel work on the parts kits and new rivets. They also suggested machine screws would work as well, which makes things even easier!
AFAIK, everyone involved in the build will need to fill out the appropriate ATFE paperwork to get a 100% receiver. For those of you a little more daring, it seems like you can build a receiver and never have anyone know, as long as no NFA laws are broken.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 10:12:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Pharcta2:
They also suggested machine screws would work as well, which makes things even easier!
/quote]

Wonder where they got that idea? I'm sure people have been doing it for years. I think I found that 10-24 or 10-32 screws work perfect. The holes on the trunnion's are pretty close to size so all you have to do is run the tap through. You will want to use a good tap though or make sure you have a few on hand. I think I wrecked a couple because of the heat treating on the trunnions. I wound up using a couple of taps as starters that were a little beat up. Then moved to a nice sharp tap to clean the threads up nice. As long as you don't break the tap though, your good to go.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 11:01:43 AM EDT
I'd like to get in on this too, but I'm currently in the middle of another Jeep build up. It's taking all my extra time and money.

Maybe if you end up doing a second or third build I can get in on it then?
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 11:02:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cataclysm:
Originally Posted By Pharcta2:
They also suggested machine screws would work as well, which makes things even easier!
/quote]

Wonder where they got that idea? I'm sure people have been doing it for years. I think I found that 10-24 or 10-32 screws work perfect. The holes on the trunnion's are pretty close to size so all you have to do is run the tap through. You will want to use a good tap though or make sure you have a few on hand. I think I wrecked a couple because of the heat treating on the trunnions. I wound up using a couple of taps as starters that were a little beat up. Then moved to a nice sharp tap to clean the threads up nice. As long as you don't break the tap though, your good to go.



I give full credit to you.
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 11:50:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Pharcta2:
I just stopped in at Oak Grove Arms - they have complete receivers for $99.99 - no cutting, no welding, nothing but a little dremel work on the parts kits and new rivets. They also suggested machine screws would work as well, which makes things even easier!
AFAIK, everyone involved in the build will need to fill out the appropriate ATFE paperwork to get a 100% receiver. For those of you a little more daring, it seems like you can build a receiver and never have anyone know, as long as no NFA laws are broken.



Are you talking about just the usual ATFE paperwork (i.e. 4473 and NICS check) or something else?

If a whole receiver is $100, how much would the rest of the parts cost?
Link Posted: 12/20/2005 8:56:30 PM EDT
Check the receiver to find out what type it is. I know they had some yugo receivers and these are for yugo kits with the rpk type trunions. If you are going to buy the romanian kits, you need an AKM type receiver.

Brick
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 2:22:54 AM EDT
I'd be in for a build and/or group buy.

Was thinking of doing a couple on my own anyways.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 3:50:19 AM EDT
what kind of Receivers does oak grove have? mopar had OOW (i think OOW) rec. at like 60-70 each, just wanna know the difference?

Craig

i may be in for 1. underfolder for me though.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 3:55:11 PM EDT
My spot welder showed up today and I purchased the steel needed for my bending jig yesterday. The machinist thats making it for me is off for a week though.

I have a complete receiver that a purchased 4 years ago through joeken, it's a hesse ( I didnt know that when I ordered it) and I'm somewhat nervous to build on it. I'll probably use it anyway, it can't be worse than a homebent flat
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 6:38:02 PM EDT
I want in I can bring a Nice wire feeder and a speed glass Torches for heating ect band Saw Lots OF BFH,s A small 6 ton press Lots of drill bits cordless drills I hope i can get in on this build as i have always wanted an AK Or a RPK.

What is the Newest Update on a group buy????
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 4:14:36 AM EDT
Group buy update

There is no update. Some e-mails have been sent out, but, as its the Christmas season, I don't expect an answer until next week at the earliest.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:28:15 AM EDT
No news??!!! But Satan Santa will be here tomorrow night!

Guess I'll have to drop him with the shottie.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:54:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MNnaloxone:
No news??!!! But Satan Santa will be here tomorrow night!

Guess I'll have to drop him with the shottie.



Like this?

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:07:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:43:15 AM EDT
Sportsmans guide has a good deal on od stocks right now www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=80157
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 3:37:56 PM EDT
So WTF with the build...? I wanna, and my buddy wanna. Let's make this thing happen....







Link Posted: 12/26/2005 3:45:14 PM EDT
update -
ZERO of the 5 e-mails to EE vendors have been returned. (most likely because of the holidays) If folks want to go out and get their own parts kits and receivers, that's fine, but I still haven't secured a location with the correct equipment to have the build.

I've also contacted 2 machine shops, and was turned down by both for "liability reasons"...

Anybody have a heated pole barn with a drill press and a hydraulic press they want to offer up?

I'm running out of ideas on where to have this, any input would be most appreciated!


Link Posted: 12/26/2005 4:42:56 PM EDT
I have a small (12x24) heated shop with press, drill press, and welder. It's not much, it might be cramped for a large group of people, but it's open to anyone that wants to use it.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:54:29 AM EDT
I have heated shop, 30x40, drill press, hydraulic press (manual), welder, etc......in Princeton.



Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:04:21 AM EDT
Do we have anyone planning to attend who has built a few of these?
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 5:51:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 10:23:39 AM EDT by Cataclysm]

Originally Posted By MNGuns:
I have heated shop, 30x40, drill press, hydraulic press (manual), welder, etc......in Princeton.







I'm heading to your house, your close.

Edit:

This is where my project stands about now. I'll have some more done by this weekend.

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