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Posted: 12/2/2005 4:33:28 PM EDT
Alright, since a lot of us on here post on both places, can someone please fill me in as to what in the heck happened over there? I'm banned and so are 3-4 other people and none of us know why. Before you suggest it, I've emailed the link on the contact info and haven't gotten a reply. I don't know if it takes them a while or what the deal is. Maybe some of us outcasts will come together here and figure out what happened. I had 100% feedback in the Classifieds forum on there as well and have completed several good deals with folks. I'm lost.

Link Posted: 12/2/2005 5:32:59 PM EDT
twobravo, I have read your posts nothing seems to offensive to me. Do you know which moderator banned you?
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 5:50:39 PM EDT
were you involved in one of the so called "cop bashing" threads that got locked?

beats me, them guys are kinda funny over there sometimes, I read the threads that got locked and didn't see a problem with them, I see four different LE agencies occassionally more and two different fire depts. at the casino nearly every week and most of those dudes are pretty cool, but one sticks out like a sore thumb, you meet him one time and you just know that if he stays with the LE field your gonna be seeing him on tv or reading about him in the paper, hell even the guys that work with him everyday smile when asked about him, so beats me twobravo whats happening to you over there.

guess I'll be staying over here and talking crazy and all, hell I even been thinking of buying a membership if they ever quit using paypal and start taking CCs, hate supporting any company that is anti gun- hunting or anything else I like.

Link Posted: 12/2/2005 6:19:21 PM EDT
I also seen that Bullboy has been banned. He be the last one I would seen banned. He seems pretty easy goin.
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 6:47:19 PM EDT
Thats the problem with "family Friendly lets all get along jerk each other off, hold hands and drink a slushie outta the same cup with 2 straws" forums. I din't read much of the cop bashin stuff so I donno nothin bout that stuff. I know alot of crap has come n gone in this forum and the only person I know of who's been banned here is JimDandy.....but then again seemed like he started alot of stuff just to start stuff....I donno. Mods here will let alot go through before spanking anyone.....don't take much to get spanked on the other site.
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 7:43:38 PM EDT
I think somebody said that anyone posting toilet cleaning instructions was sure to get banned!
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 8:04:42 PM EDT
Banned? For what?

I am really surprised I did not get the boot, after yesterday. I was not "bashing" L.E. at all, just stating the facts that news reported about the theft of the firarms from a DEA agents vehicle. But my statements were taken that way by someone.

I do think that a certian member over there needs to chill a bit. Other than that I really dont have any complaints about the place, but it sure aint no ARF.com....
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 8:06:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 45bisley:
twobravo, I have read your posts nothing seems to offensive to me. Do you know which moderator banned you?




Take a guess....
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 8:56:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 45bisley:
twobravo, I have read your posts nothing seems to offensive to me. Do you know which moderator banned you?



I do not. I still have gotten no reply from them.
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 9:08:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1shott:
Banned? For what?

I am really surprised I did not get the boot, after yesterday. I was not "bashing" L.E. at all, just stating the facts that news reported about the theft of the firarms from a DEA agents vehicle. But my statements were taken that way by someone.

I do think that a certian member over there needs to chill a bit. Other than that I really dont have any complaints about the place, but it sure aint no ARF.com....



Well, it's crap. I encourage folks to start asking questions over there. All they can do is ban you liek they banned me. If the place bans you for asking simple questions, do you really want to be there? Worst case scenario, you come back here more often like me. I'm a paying member here and I like it here. I didn't have a problem over there, and I DAMN SURE didn't engage in any cop bashing. Duh, since I've done that job before...wouldn't that be like bashing myself?

We all post some smack talk from time to time. Most of it is in jest and that's why I use the emoticons. Anyway, if they ban 4-5 people for doing nothing more than asking some questions in the time period of a day or so, that's gonna send some signals to folks.

I know one guy over there who is going to get some signals come Monday morning. Mr. "I use my real name and advertise where I work" is going to get a reality check on why that's not always the best plan. I hope he brushes up on his verbal judo in addition to all of his other *cough* bullshit *cough* "tactical" skills.

I don't go around telling everyone that I play golf from time to time. I also don't tell them who my fellow golfers are. It's times like this when they just "find out".
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 9:50:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Twobravo:

Originally Posted By 1shott:
Banned? For what?

I am really surprised I did not get the boot, after yesterday. I was not "bashing" L.E. at all, just stating the facts that news reported about the theft of the firarms from a DEA agents vehicle. But my statements were taken that way by someone.

I do think that a certian member over there needs to chill a bit. Other than that I really dont have any complaints about the place, but it sure aint no ARF.com....



Well, it's crap. I encourage folks to start asking questions over there. All they can do is ban you liek they banned me. If the place bans you for asking simple questions, do you really want to be there? Worst case scenario, you come back here more often like me. I'm a paying member here and I like it here. I didn't have a problem over there, and I DAMN SURE didn't engage in any cop bashing. Duh, since I've done that job before...wouldn't that be like bashing myself?

We all post some smack talk from time to time. Most of it is in jest and that's why I use the emoticons. Anyway, if they ban 4-5 people for doing nothing more than asking some questions in the time period of a day or so, that's gonna send some signals to folks.

I know one guy over there who is going to get some signals come Monday morning. Mr. "I use my real name and advertise where I work" is going to get a reality check on why that's not always the best plan. I hope he brushes up on his verbal judo in addition to all of his other *cough* bullshit *cough* "tactical" skills.

I don't go around telling everyone that I play golf from time to time. I also don't tell them who my fellow golfers are. It's times like this when they just "find out".



I'll go start a thread and ask if it hasn't been done already......... I havent looked yet......

I'm all about supporting good cops but I don't get into the whole if he's a cop he get's a speceal pass for being a fuck head wich sure seems like what their promoteing over their........

I could give a rat's terrier ass if they ban me.........

I'm not big on the whole lick a cop's asshole thing which is sure what it seemed like they are wanting...... well unless the cop is a female and hot

I'm off to start trouble ask questions.......
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 10:00:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/2/2005 10:08:37 PM EDT by chvylvr350]
They are implying that they will ban anyone that brings up locked threads, banned people. They honestly should have a rule that states: "Do not say anything which could displease Micheal Brown." because that is the way it is. If he doesn't like what was said, true or not, then the thread gets locked. I was nearly banned there myself for some stuff that MB didn't agree with. The one that really was crappy was that I posted a poll about "What does the second amendment means to you?" I did this just as a feeler of what the people there believed it meant.

Here were the options paraphrased because I cant remember exactly.

1. there should be no restrictions on arms.
2. Restrictions are necessary because we live in a civilized country.
3. I like my shotgun and .22 rifles, if you want to use anything else join the military.
4. guns are bad mmmkay!

It was locked after 3 votes and about 5 posts. 2 people voted for option 1, 1 person voted for option 2. JP and MB were the only ones to post. MB's first post was to disagree with my vote for #1. He asked in that post, "Surely you don't mean you would allow anyone to own rpgs and Abrams tanks." I pretty much responeded with "Yes, because it is our check and balance on the powers of the government and is the last line of defense for our freedom." It was locked after that, I have PMs about the issue, an apology to MB about some things, and his reply which somewhat angered me because he said I condoned illegal activity, which I did not.

I really didn't see anything in any of your guys posts that would warrant banning or even a lock. MB is apparently of the school that you don't question authority or government, when that is exactly what needs to be done sometimes.

ETA: I just looked and noticed that threads are being locked at glocktalk as well, thats crap.
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 10:09:33 PM EDT
talk about record time to get a thread locked holy shit................

You musta been bad
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 10:17:05 PM EDT
acman145acp, please re-read the posting rules (which happened to have been changed only 3 days ago!).
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 10:30:27 PM EDT

I tried to click the "bad post" icon but it didn't work. I've seen more than one moderator post comments in this thread but my question is this. Was the original post of this thread not advertising? If it was advertising, why wasn't it shut down as advertising in the past has been done?



Man I got no idea why you did unles it was this is ...... did you make a post after this one
What was the dill did you have a bad experience at the cabins that thread was locked too

Freedom of speach sure ain't their strongsuit it doesn't seem ........

Seems like the stereotype of overbearing cop's might not be too far fetched......I'm the man don't question me....... wtf.......



Link Posted: 12/2/2005 10:34:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/2/2005 10:37:39 PM EDT by acman145acp]

Originally Posted By chvylvr350:
acman145acp, please re-read the posting rules (which happened to have been changed only 3 days ago!).



Which one did I break

are you talking about these

1) Courtesy and Respect
Everyone has their own point of view and thoughts on many subjects, and we should all respect that unless a) there are known facts that counter a point of view or claim, or b) the point of view is against the general view of the OSA (outlined herein.) We encourage intelligent and logical discussions of topics, but reserve the right to close or end them if the they get out of hand.
Revisiting the content of closed threads is strongly discouraged.
If you are passionate and strongly embrace a particular topic, then you need to be tolerant of those that may not feel as you do, and practice courtesy and respect when arguing your point of view. Keep in mind that you may have to end your topic by agreeing to disagree and leave it at that. Attacking someone personally is not tolerated in any form, however "bantering" is fine with those that you know personally, and know they will not take offense.


2) Community Morality
We neither condone, endorse, nor tolerate any illegal activity of any kind, including but not limited to discussions of any illegal activity or blatent unpatriotic behavior. We strive to be 100% within the law and when in doubt, reserve the right to err on the side of safety.
We are providing a family oriented site with many young participants as well as seasoned professionals, and as such we absolutely do not condone harsh language and behavior that may be offensive to our younger viewers. Mildly coarse language may be tolerated within reason.

3) Foundation
We are here for the enjoyment of our second amendment rights, to exchange ideas and information with our fellow Oklahomans, to teach, inform, enlighten, discuss, train and further the knowledge and safety of gun ownership, and to promote a friendly social atmosphere amongst our peers. We intend to provide both social and monetary benefits to our members, from participating sponsors as well as tips from our professionals.

Link Posted: 12/2/2005 10:39:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By acman145acp:

Which one did I break

are you talking about these

1) Courtesy and Respect
Everyone has their own point of view and thoughts on many subjects, and we should all respect that unless a) there are known facts that counter a point of view or claim, or b) the point of view is against the general view of the OSA (outlined herein.) We encourage intelligent and logical discussions of topics, but reserve the right to close or end them if the they get out of hand.
Revisiting the content of closed threads is strongly discouraged.
If you are passionate and strongly embrace a particular topic, then you need to be tolerant of those that may not feel as you do, and practice courtesy and respect when arguing your point of view. Keep in mind that you may have to end your topic by agreeing to disagree and leave it at that. Attacking someone personally is not tolerated in any form, however "bantering" is fine with those that you know personally, and know they will not take offense.


2) Community Morality
We neither condone, endorse, nor tolerate any illegal activity of any kind, including but not limited to discussions of any illegal activity or blatent unpatriotic behavior. We strive to be 100% within the law and when in doubt, reserve the right to err on the side of safety.
We are providing a family oriented site with many young participants as well as seasoned professionals, and as such we absolutely do not condone harsh language and behavior that may be offensive to our younger viewers. Mildly coarse language may be tolerated within reason.

3) Foundation
We are here for the enjoyment of our second amendment rights, to exchange ideas and information with our fellow Oklahomans, to teach, inform, enlighten, discuss, train and further the knowledge and safety of gun ownership, and to promote a friendly social atmosphere amongst our peers. We intend to provide both social and monetary benefits to our members, from participating sponsors as well as tips from our professionals.




I guess the one it red, though you didn't talk about thread content rather about a person.
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 10:56:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/2/2005 10:57:52 PM EDT by acman145acp]
Found what done it it was the IDPA thread where you and bulbboy were razzing MB what a bunch of bullshit........
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 11:07:06 PM EDT
lick my boot heals you lowly civilians..........

I say JBT's are alive and well and living in OK
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 11:10:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By acman145acp:
Found what done it it was the IDPA thread where you and bulbboy were razzing MB what a bunch of bullshit........




Seems to me that MB needs to be able to take a joke.

Forget them, I am done with the place. I am all for playing by the regs, BUT when you cant disagree with someone, or even cut up with someone, without the other person getting his panties all in a wad, something just aint right.



Link Posted: 12/2/2005 11:11:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By acman145acp:
lick my boot heals you lowly civilians..........

I say JBT's are alive and well and living in OK




Is that a qoute from MB?
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 11:28:42 PM EDT
How come you guys never invited me to join that forum??????
Now my feelings are hurt!!!!!!
TwoBravo, you must have knocked that guy in the head or something. I've never seen a "super administrator" address someone "in the grave"!
I've gotten one "thou shall not return" from the SigForum because the owner, Mike P****** got pissed off at me over a very minor thing. Sometimes that's all it takes.
The fact that the "super administrator" addressed you after he knifed you means he is catching a lot of heat because he screwed up big time. The internet is sometimes like the work place. Somebody screws up and won't undo the wrong but will try to justify it!
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 11:34:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By danc46:
How come you guys never invited me to join that forum??????
Now my feelings are hurt!!!!!!
TwoBravo, you must have knocked that guy in the head or something. I've never seen a "super administrator" address someone "in the grave"!
I've gotten one "thou shall not return" from the SigForum because the owner, Mike P****** got pissed off at me over a very minor thing. Sometimes that's all it takes.
The fact that the "super administrator" addressed you after he knifed you means he is catching a lot of heat because he screwed up big time. The internet is sometimes like the work place. Somebody screws up and won't undo the wrong but will try to justify it!





Ahh yes good ole SF...

Rememebr Circsqre and the hamburgler episode, damn I still LMAO at that...
Link Posted: 12/2/2005 11:38:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1shott:

Originally Posted By acman145acp:
lick my boot heals you lowly civilians..........

I say JBT's are alive and well and living in OK




Is that a qoute from MB?



No it was not a quote from him.................but it wouldn't suprise me to see it......

Man I thought that place really had pottential for OK people to talk but damn the behavior of the moderators is a JOKE/pitiful


1) Be courteous.
2) Don't try to hurt anyone's feelings.
3) Don't act like you know about things you know nothing about.
4) Don't say (type) anything you wouldn't say to a person's face if no one else was watching.

bulbboy,
We can technically run this site as we see fit without any concern for your opinion.
If we choose to talk openly and not let you,that is our prerogative.

Now having said that,we *do* take everyone's opinion into consideration and you will never be at risk for offering a well formed opinion as long as you follow the above guidelines.
It's a simple as that.

Since you want to bring forth the fact that you were publicly warned by moderators:
If you reacall,it was about the tone of your posts toward LEOs throughout your history on OSA,not because of your opinions on the law.

Mike never physically threatened anyone.
"Kicking someones ass" is typical competition smack talk.

Let's just leave it at that,and what difference does it really make?
tweeter is no longer a problem here.



that part in red is a joke man...........that's typical cop shit ..........I'll say what I want and f@ck you and your opinion.....


For anybody who "thinks" i'm bashing cops I'm not .......I happen to be a member of an organization that Has lot's of LE as members.......But I call them the way I see them...... Their are just as many bad cops or cops that are assholes as their are civilians that are bad people or assholes.........

They want leeway because their cops well I got news for you that's bullshit..........if anything they should be held to a higher standard.....

If you carry a gun and badge for a living you should set an example of a "good" guy not an overbearing ass..... being a cop is a shitty job it's dangerous it don't pay enough none of this is a secret if you took the job don't cry you need leeway that your not willing to give other people.......If life is that ruff get another job don't wine about it.....
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 12:21:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By acman145acp:
If you carry a gun and badge for a living you should set an example of a "good" guy not an overbearing ass..... being a cop is a shitty job it's dangerous it don't pay enough none of this is a secret if you took the job don't cry you need leeway that your not willing to give other people.......If life is that ruff get another job don't wine about it.....


Being an LEO is difficult...how do you mess with t*rds all the time without it rubbing off? I went to Seiling the other day and visited with Jeremy, a young man that is now COP of the Seiling PD. He's a good man, a young 26, and still "growing" in his profession. I've known him for two to three years now and being a police officer is changing him. Just a hazard of the profession.
An old uncle of mine, retired Highway Patrol, age 80, still drives down the road waving at people saying "Hi Turd!" and smiles while doing it. It's a habit from driving a patrol car on the Turner Turnpike. He always told me people would flash him the finger and he would respond that way - wave back, smile, and say "Hi Turd!" just to screw with them!
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 12:22:28 AM EDT
well shit man I guess its time for me to boycott another site, if I got to walk on eggshells and not speak my mind its best I don't go back there, I enjoy a verbal joust every now and then, but if someones feelings are hurt so easily then fuck'em, I can stay over here and talk shit to you guys, cause I know if ya'll don't like it ya'll can come over and kick my ass like men are supposed to do.

also I fully expect to be banned there at some point in time, cause I believe in saying what I feel like when I feel like, I deal with LEs every day, shoot the shit with them and most are thick skinned enough to put up with it.

although its their site and they can run it as they see fit, it seems a their being very chicken shit in the fact that they can talk shit to you but when you voice your opinion, they shrink back and ban your ass, I say fuck'em as I said it before, I'm boycotting.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:22:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ndenway:
well shit man I guess its time for me to boycott another site, if I got to walk on eggshells and not speak my mind its best I don't go back there, I enjoy a verbal joust every now and then, but if someones feelings are hurt so easily then fuck'em, I can stay over here and talk shit to you guys, cause I know if ya'll don't like it ya'll can come over and kick my ass like men are supposed to do.

also I fully expect to be banned there at some point in time, cause I believe in saying what I feel like when I feel like, I deal with LEs every day, shoot the shit with them and most are thick skinned enough to put up with it.

although its their site and they can run it as they see fit, it seems a their being very chicken shit in the fact that they can talk shit to you but when you voice your opinion, they shrink back and ban your ass, I say fuck'em as I said it before, I'm boycotting.




Yup, they want the right to say what they please, but screw everyone else, fall in line and dont question me, the only one in the forum highly trained enough to handle the glock for-tie, BAM, owwww my leg,
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:50:19 AM EDT
ah
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 5:59:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wingman26:
I think somebody said that anyone posting toilet cleaning instructions was sure to get banned!



I'm just trying to help everyone out with cleaning is all.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 8:42:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2005 8:47:28 AM EDT by Ndenway]
man I just read that thread(IDPA), that MB dude couldn't take a little ribbing so he says he gonna kick some ass and his little cuckold JP backs him up on the deal, what kind of bull shit is that, man if I ever say some shit you guys don't like, you have my permission to come out and kick my ass or die trying, I mean I ain't gonna let you have the first punch or nothing like that, but I will let you do all the talking you like, you know like stop..wait..no don't shoot...shit...ouch...momma...uugggh...shhhmmofooo.......yowzagooodddammnnnssoonnob, ya'll know all the important shit a man should udder or studder when he's the cock of the walk dealer in the villia.


what I'm saying to the uninitiated is I'm always available 24/7 so to speak for a tad bit of verbal fistacuffs and such as will speak, or a decent no holds barred hog creek style tussle, both go better with some JD or Wellers, ya'll bring the bourbon and I'll do the talkin, I might even be pursueded to make up one if you'd rather hear some fiction instead of the truth .



whats the password? MOUNTAIN LION WALKIN'
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 8:52:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By acman145acp:

I tried to click the "bad post" icon but it didn't work. I've seen more than one moderator post comments in this thread but my question is this. Was the original post of this thread not advertising? If it was advertising, why wasn't it shut down as advertising in the past has been done?



Man I got no idea why you did unles it was this is ...... did you make a post after this one
What was the dill did you have a bad experience at the cabins that thread was locked too

Freedom of speach sure ain't their strongsuit it doesn't seem ........

Seems like the stereotype of overbearing cop's might not be too far fetched......I'm the man don't question me....... wtf.......






No, I didn't have any experience at all with the cabins. Here's the deal. The posting rules used to say "no spam, advertising, etc in the threads". Legit sales for guns and gun related stuff were allowed in the classifieds, and even the occasional non-gun item.

Well, that guy's first post was to advertise his cabin. It had nothing to do with guns. I asked them why the post was allowed when 2 mods had even replied to the guys thread without a warning or anything. Get this, and PAY ATTENTION HERE: That's they day the changed the posting rules, HID the thread, and then basically J.P. told me to shut up. Can you say DOUBLE STANDARD? I made a point of posting it for all to see because just 1 day earlier JP made a big deal of saying "There are NO double standards on OKSHOOTERS". YEAH RIGHT!! That's why I'm gone I'm sure.

Back me up here guys. It looks like I have a bunch of support already.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 9:01:07 AM EDT
Also...like I said, for you guys who were/are over there. Y'all should tell 'em that what they did to me was chickenshit and call 'em out on the bogus behavior and Jack Booted Thug attitudes that they have. If they are going to ban you, let the people see (although they won't do that now will they?) what you are going out for.

Thanks for the support gang. You know who you are.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 10:33:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ndenway:
man I just read that thread(IDPA), that MB dude couldn't take a little ribbing so he says he gonna kick some ass and his little cuckold JP backs him up on the deal, what kind of bull shit is that, man if I ever say some shit you guys don't like, you have my permission to come out and kick my ass or die trying, I mean I ain't gonna let you have the first punch or nothing like that, but I will let you do all the talking you like, you know like stop..wait..no don't shoot...shit...ouch...momma...uugggh...shhhmmofooo.......yowzagooodddammnnnssoonnob, ya'll know all the important shit a man should udder or studder when he's the cock of the walk dealer in the villia.


what I'm saying to the uninitiated is I'm always available 24/7 so to speak for a tad bit of verbal fistacuffs and such as will speak, or a decent no holds barred hog creek style tussle, both go better with some JD or Wellers, ya'll bring the bourbon and I'll do the talkin, I might even be pursueded to make up one if you'd rather hear some fiction instead of the truth .



whats the password? MOUNTAIN LION WALKIN'



That part in red is some serious bullshit in texas you tell someone your going to kick their ass you might as well do it because they can and will prosecute you for terroristic threats.....a friend of mines dad was prosecuted for it.....I don't know what the law is in OK if it's the same or not........

The funny thing is my dad has been arested for fighting in texas and his fine was less than my buddys dad who only threatend to whip a guys ass

That part in blue is definetly got to be the new OK crews password

Twobravo
I'm trying to figure out the best way to start a thread that will adress the problem so it get's recognized "at least discussed" instead of just a locked thread although I really doubt it's going to happen over their

Funny thing to me is I've actually disagreed with you before on thing's but we've since done buisness together.............It seems awfully disturbing to me that civilians act closer to adults than LE officers are.............

I'm not sure if JP is le or just an enabler of the silly shit "some" of them pull.......


danc
Being an LEO is difficult...how do you mess with t*rds all the time without it rubbing off?
Well you go home take a shower drink a beer, shoot gun's, drink coffe, smoke cigarets, weave wicker basket's ........what ever it takes to blow off steam......


I went to Seiling the other day and visited with Jeremy, a young man that is now COP of the Seiling PD. He's a good man, a young 26, and still "growing" in his profession. I've known him for two to three years now and being a police officer is changing him. Just a hazard of the profession.

That's a personal issue/problem I know a lot of cops who are cool as hell some of them I've only met once like the 4 who stopped me and 2 friends at a roadblock(4yrs ago) we all had open beers ..... I was so drunk my best friend was driving my truck i damn near fell down when i got out......Had a mini14 behind the seat(wasn't loaded) ...... we answered all of their questions honestly........... had never met any of them before and they let us go with no open container tickets..."they asked us seperatly why he was driving my truck".... We both answered my partner wasn't drunk he'd only had 3 beers I had about 17 and a few shot's of crown .....they compared stories and told us to quit drinking and driveing we might not run into them next time.......


An old uncle of mine, retired Highway Patrol, age 80, still drives down the road waving at people saying "Hi Turd!" and smiles while doing it. It's a habit from driving a patrol car on the Turner Turnpike. He always told me people would flash him the finger and he would respond that way - wave back, smile, and say "Hi Turd!" just to screw with them!


AT 80 your allowed to be a little grouchy

I have people cuss me out all the time and treat me like shit when I get to their house when I ran service all the time...........But if I showed up acting like an ass becoause of how someone else treated me that makes me wrong not the people who didn't really do shit......

I say again if you cant deal with the JOB don't do it find a new one............
Prime example
UNLESS you have worked for my dad you don't know what a tough job is............

I didn't like things about the military know what i did I............. ETS /got out
Went to colledge on mostly my dime "till i figured out how to work the system"
Did HVAC work for a long time for service companys..... started my own buisness sold it worked for the people who bought it for a while quit .....went to work for another contractor who turned out to be the total opisite of what i thought he was..........Found a job with a place where all I have to do is fix shit on site ..........nobody whining about what it cost just get it running "something I can do"
I still do service work for old customers of mine and from word of "mouth" referals but I don't run an add cause I don't want to deal with the public in general.......

It's pretty simple if you ask me if you don't like your job or it turns you into an ass change jobs I've done it multiple times ...........what it really boils down to is some people are just assholes regardless of their JOB and their is an equall percent of them in LE as their is in any other profesions.......this whole the job made me do it is a crock of shit plain and simple
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 10:56:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2005 11:02:07 AM EDT by chvylvr350]

Originally Posted By acman145acp:
I'm not sure if JP is le or just an enabler of the silly shit "some" of them pull.......




I believe he said he was an airplane mechanic/machinist or something. He knows Micheal Brown personally. He has taken firearms training classes at the school ran by him and some other LEOs. He shoots IDPA with Team OPS and probably is around alot of LEOs. He seemed pretty cool when he responded to me, but he will back Micheal Brown at the drop of a hat even if he personally disagrees. I have seen evidence of this.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 1:41:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By acman145acp:


Twobravo
I'm trying to figure out the best way to start a thread that will adress the problem so it get's recognized "at least discussed" instead of just a locked thread although I really doubt it's going to happen over their

Funny thing to me is I've actually disagreed with you before on thing's but we've since done buisness together.............It seems awfully disturbing to me that civilians act closer to adults than LE officers are.............

I'm not sure if JP is le or just an enabler of the silly shit "some" of them pull.......



I think they know they are wrong for what they did. If they were not wrong in what they did, they would be able to type it out in a very plain manner for all to see. Everyone would understand and that would be that. They can't do that because they know they did the WRONG thing and they have no way to justify it so they just shut everyone up.

I know we've disagreed before on stuff and hell, we probably will again. I've been married for 9 years now and disagree with my wife all of the time about stuff. I don't BAN her and cut the phone lines and put a 24 hour guard at the house to watch her though.

I bet we'll do business again in the future acman. I just can't for the life of me understand the thought process some of these people have. The worst part is, I didn't think anything going on over on that site was a big deal. No one was yelling, or cussing, or anything like that.

Just goes to show you acman that you are right. Some of us are more mature than others. Like I said, so what if we disagree. Maybe you like 1911's and I like Glocks. Doesn't me we can't shoot both side by side and enjoy a day at the range.

There are so many folks wanting to divide the gun owners and then MB and JP want to pull a stunt like they did on a gun related board.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:02:54 PM EDT
JP just added a state of OSA address sticky.


When the OSA was started,we really had no posting rules as every other site does.
Obviously that would not work out as the site grew and we did encounter some problems because of it.
Kelly had envisioned the site being run as stated in the (now posted) giudelines.
I set forth guidelines in the "classifieds" section but failed to do so for the overall forum. Frankly,I was waiting for some help with drawing them up but little was received because Kelly obviously doesn't spend a large amount of time here. It is true that there were not rules at first, but there have been some for awhile, partly due to me. They were not just added as he would make it seem, they were changed to make "those who shall not be spoken of" to be in the wrong.

Even though Kelly has given me autonomy to moderate this site as I see fit,I was still leery of stepping on his toes by drafting my own general rules.
In hindsight,it was this failure on my part to do that which led to some of the problems.
When the rules were recently put into place,sadly,not everyone wanted to conform to them and some things went on behind the scenes that most of you didn't see.

I hope this clears up some of the recent confusion and I apologize for any inconvience.
We are all friends here,as far as I,and the other moderators are concerned and we will treat you as such and expect you to do the same. MB has been everything but friendly with people he disagrees with, but alas he is a moderator so it matters not. I sent him an apology for some thing I said wrong, and he pretty much called me a criminal, anarchist, and law-breaking gun owner.(I could quote him as I have the PM saved.)

Overall the positive response has been overwhelming.I haven't seen it, I caught one positive post by "walter something" and it was not locked but removed, as in hid after GMThunder posted in it with a desenting opinion. Mostly I have seen negative remarks some by those who have been there from the get go like DrBaker.

I hope everyone continues to enjoy the site and we have a lot of great Ideas,sponsor giveaways, and special offers in store for the members here in the future.


Thanks.
J.P.



Comments to this in red. Also patrickcudd ask them what rule you violated, you didn't bring up content of locked threads. Maybe they should modify the rules to say "do not bring up anyone who was banned" also.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:13:14 PM EDT
Comes a time guys, when you just walk away...now is that time.

They see fit to insult, at least MB does, and then suppress any dissenting opinion, thats fine, BUT we dont have to go to back, I wont.

Lets move on.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:19:10 PM EDT
I tell you man the part in that thread where he talked about having an entourage made me blow coca cola out my nose .......I almost pissed on myself......

I tell you what man I got a really bad temper it's gotten me into some shit before but I just didn't see what the big deal was............other than the fact that it appears to be a lick my boot or be gone type of thing ...........

I guess I feel LEO should be held to at least the same standard if not a higher standard than civilians............ If you wear a badge and carry a gun for a living and have the ability to make serious judgement calls.......you should at least be able to take a little razzing on the internet..........
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:22:40 PM EDT
Acman, changing jobs sometimes is not an option. Lots of good people in LE and lots of turds.
Same as anywhere. I've got in the middle of an OKC police officer's ass one day when he was wrong. It pissed him off big time, took my license, ran a check on me. Of course I came up clean as a whistle. He then ate my ass out about getting into a LEO's ass and told me to never do it again. I told him you haven't been an officer very long, you'd better quit before it ruins your good Christian ideals. It absolutely floored him, he didn't know what to say.
10 years later I caught him buying a cup of coffee at 7/11. I asked him if he was still active in his church and an OKC police officer. He immediately got paranoid as hell, almost scared. Again the product of the job. You don't work an any job for a period of time without it affecting your outlook in everyday life.
The way you live, the way you look at things, are different from many others. Each person is unique and reacts differently. And I definitely know what stress from a job is. I had a union and the company I worked for both wanting to fire my ass. I was dug in, had my ass covered, and stayed in there like a raging flea on a bull elephant's nuts. Was it worth the fight? As a "man", hell yes.
As an individual, no. It took too much toll on my family but we survived.
Sometimes you have to gut it out, whether you like it or not!
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:26:59 PM EDT
This pisses me off. That was turning into a pretty good site. I replied to one of the threads, and received a IM reprimand from J.P. I sent a IM to Kelly Drown about this bullshit.

I've read the rules, which are new by the way, and cannot figure out why someone cannot ask about what happened.

I think I might go back and post a WTF type of post with a "see ya at arfcom" and see if they ban me for rule violation (which is not listed by the way)

BTW:

danc45, I was wondering where you were at over there!! I wouldn't bother now though!
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:42:01 PM EDT
I am waiting to see if I get banned because I mentioned that the rules have changed but the date remained the same.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:45:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2005 2:47:09 PM EDT by patrickcudd]
I just posted this. I bet I get banned for it! lol....like I care. F#ck them!!

This is what I posted, due to the fact that it will get erased:


First of all, I hope I'm not breaking any rules thread, and if I am, they are not the listed rules, and the mods migh want to put them in the "rules" section.

I have enjoyed this site, but I will not be coming back, due to the banning of people for little or no reason, and the lack of ability to discuss anything about it.

I've met some great people on this site, and I hope to continue to see those people on AR15.com's hometown forum!

Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:45:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chvylvr350:
I am waiting to see if I get banned because I mentioned that the rules have changed but the date remained the same.



I saw that......You might!
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:48:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By patrickcudd:
I just posted this. I bet I get banned for it! lol....like I care. F#ck them!!

This is what I posted, due to the fact that it will get erased:


First of all, I hope I'm not breaking any rules thread, and if I am, they are not the listed rules, and the mods migh want to put them in the "rules" section.

I have enjoyed this site, but I will not be coming back, due to the banning of people for little or no reason, and the lack of ability to discuss anything about it.

I've met some great people on this site, and I hope to continue to see those people on AR15.com's hometown forum!




What is really funny is the guy that posted in your thread is in "violation of the rules (at least how they see it)" by asking what happened.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:54:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By danc46:
Acman, changing jobs sometimes is not an option.

SNIP
Sometimes you have to gut it out, whether you like it or not!



Not true bud that's a perception not a reality..........YOU CAN QUIT ANY JOB

I quit my job a week after my son was born......They pissed me off.......
I had 500 bucks in the bank a new born a house payment and you know what I made it jus fine cause I didn't sit on my ass I went out and found a job.....

The IDEA that you cant quit a JOB is facilitated by the Idea that you got bills to pay bla bla bla....a way to chain you down.....
I don't fall for that trap


BTW anybody ever notice me and danc argue all the time Don't mean I think he should be banned ........but he should buy more AR's from me
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 2:56:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By acman145acp:

Originally Posted By danc46:
Acman, changing jobs sometimes is not an option.

SNIP
Sometimes you have to gut it out, whether you like it or not!



Not true bud that's a perception not a reality..........YOU CAN QUIT ANY JOB

I quit my job a week after my son was born......They pissed me off.......
I had 500 bucks in the bank a new born a house payment and you know what I made it jus fine cause I didn't sit on my ass I went out and found a job.....

The IDEA that you cant quit a JOB is facilitated by the Idea that you got bills to pay bla bla bla....a way to chain you down.....
I don't fall for that trap


BTW anybody ever notice me and danc argue all the time Don't mean I think he should be banned ........but he should buy more AR's from me





Not true for me, I have to be SOLD.....
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 3:14:04 PM EDT
I see what's happening. I'm glad people are seeing the admin staff of OKSHOOTERS for what it really is. It's amazing what happens when we all stand up like this and let our voice be heard. Some of our forefathers would be highly pissed if they knew of the censorship that went on there.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 3:17:17 PM EDT
I'm pouring up shots of kiwi ...................I hear it goes real well with boot leather

I just posted this in pat's whats to drink tonight thread maybee it will get seen......

Everything else is getting locked
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 3:20:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/11/2005 12:19:14 PM EDT by JD8]


Everyone see JP's "State of OSA Address"?? Doesn't get anymore hypocritical fhan that.
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 3:22:42 PM EDT
This will be known at least by us as the greatest coverup in okshooters.com history
Link Posted: 12/3/2005 3:24:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/3/2005 3:25:47 PM EDT by patrickcudd]

Originally Posted By acman145acp:
I'm pouring up shots of kiwi ...................I hear it goes real well with boot leather

I just posted this in pat's whats to drink tonight thread maybee it will get seen......

Everything else is getting locked



LOL....I was just about to ask you why you are posting over there.....TRAITOR......but you beat me to it.

I can't believe I haven't been locked/banned for that post!
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