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Posted: 10/11/2017 10:49:37 AM EDT
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Giving it some serious thought. I live inside the beltway.
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Posted: 10/11/2017 1:04:14 PM EDT
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Oh, yes. Most definitely.
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:16:06 PM EDT
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Thinking about it as I work in D.C.
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Posted: 10/11/2017 5:38:51 PM EDT
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Oh, yes. Most definitely. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 7:17:31 PM EDT
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I must have missed something. Is this even remotely possible now?
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Posted: 10/11/2017 9:59:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2017 10:32:44 PM EDT
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Tagging for later.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 7:39:38 AM EDT
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I think I need some sort of DC-specific training? Got a recommendation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, yes. Most definitely. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 12:49:59 PM EDT
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So as I understand it they're still prosecuting something as simple as an empty brass casing in the district, UNLESS you have a firearm registered in that caliber.
Having a non-resident CCW might cut you some slack (or the opposite, it's TBD) if the Man spots a piece of brass from your last match rolling around in your car. Thoughts? I do have a "DC Clean" car for driving through DC, MD, NJ, and NY, since their license plate scanners will pick up the VASP "gun" flag on your tags. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 3:46:39 PM EDT
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George Lyon. Hit him via the Googles or off my FB. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, yes. Most definitely. DC Approved Instructors I'm still not sure if I'll jump on this or not... Bob S. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 5:27:22 PM EDT
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I’m likely to be moving to somewhere in NOVA sometime in the next year. I am planning to get a non-resident DC permit once that happens.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 10:22:41 PM EDT
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What about off duty L.E.?
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:01:23 AM EDT
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This is a pretty-big deal; wonder if we can have this thread stickied so we can track lessons learned as folks pave the way.
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:12:46 AM EDT
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What about off duty L.E.? |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 8:43:39 PM EDT
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Do we know that D.C. Will offer/does offer non-resident permits?
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Posted: 10/13/2017 9:19:06 PM EDT
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But I was under the impression in DC you have to be on official business/duty?
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Posted: 10/14/2017 9:01:32 AM EDT
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In references to the last two posts, it’s all there if you read. If you teach a man to fish...
https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/page_content/attachments/DC%20Regulations%20for%20Licenses%20for%20Concealed%20Pistols_through%20August%2025%202017.pdf |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 9:47:24 AM EDT
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But I was under the impression in DC you have to be on official business/duty? |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 9:55:00 AM EDT
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Unless I’m missing something but I didn’t read anything about LE in that link.
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Posted: 10/14/2017 10:02:25 AM EDT
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Unless I’m missing something but I didn’t read anything about LE in that link. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Unless I’m missing something but I didn’t read anything about LE in that link. The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons - the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired or separated law enforcement officer" - to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States or United States Territories, regardless of state or local laws, with certain exceptions.
If a person meets the criteria, "notwithstanding any provisions of the law of any state or any political subdivision thereof" he or she may carry a concealed firearm in that state or political subdivision. An individual who qualifies under LEOSA does not require a state-issued permit to carry a concealed firearm. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 4:30:42 PM EDT
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Do we know that D.C. Will offer/does offer non-resident permits? |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 4:53:29 PM EDT
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I read that document and one thing that stood out was:
24-2343. Ammunition Carried by Licensee. 2343.1 A person issued a concealed carry license by the Chief, while carrying the pistol, shall not carry more ammunition than is required to fully load the pistol twice, and in no event shall that amount be greater than twenty (20) rounds of ammunition. As I read it, you can carry one reload, but, you cannot have a total of more than 20 rounds on your person; therefore (for those with semi-auto pistols) it is a defacto 10 rd mag restriction. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 8:19:54 PM EDT
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Washingtoon is a liberal cesspool.
They will grasp at ANY law to prosecute. The consequences often apply across multiple jurisdictions and levels. They are NOT honest brokers. Stay away for now. |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 2:30:34 PM EDT
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I read that document and one thing that stood out was: 24-2343. Ammunition Carried by Licensee. 2343.1 A person issued a concealed carry license by the Chief, while carrying the pistol, shall not carry more ammunition than is required to fully load the pistol twice, and in no event shall that amount be greater than twenty (20) rounds of ammunition. As I read it, you can carry one reload, but, you cannot have a total of more than 20 rounds on your person; therefore (for those with semi-auto pistols) it is a defacto 10 rd mag restriction. Or would it limit you to a 19 and a J-frame, etc? |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 8:01:46 PM EDT
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Isn't there a minimum distance of 1000 feet from a gov building or school?
If so, that's gonna pretty much prohibit carry anywhere downtown. Hell, that's probably most of NW and SW |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 8:15:41 PM EDT
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Isn't there a minimum distance of 1000 feet from a gov building or school? If so, that's gonna pretty much prohibit carry anywhere downtown. Hell, that's probably most of NW and SW Government attorneys and the police have said so. If it will stick is left as an exercise. |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 11:48:02 AM EDT
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So....New York reload for the win? Or does this prohibit carrying a 19 full up, just without a reload? Or would it limit you to a 19 and a J-frame, etc? I’m thinking something like a Glock 30S makes the most of DC’s ridiculous carry laws. If one wants to go smaller then perhaps a Glock 26, Springfield XDS 9mm, or Shield 9mm. I’m a fan of 5-shot snubbies, but if limited to one reload I am not carrying a five shot anything. |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 2:00:06 PM EDT
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The surrounding laws in Washingtoon, DC are so $tupid it is still way to risky.
They could all to easily enforce their registration laws. The fight is far from over and I do not have infinite means at my disposal. |
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Posted: 10/16/2017 3:04:18 PM EDT
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Ten round magazine limit in DC, so one can carry a Glock 19 with a ten round magazine and one spare ten round magazine. IIRC the permit in DC also authorizes only carrying one pistol at a time, so no backup gun. I’m thinking something like a Glock 30S makes the most of DC’s ridiculous carry laws. If one wants to go smaller then perhaps a Glock 26, Springfield XDS 9mm, or Shield 9mm. I’m a fan of 5-shot snubbies, but if limited to one reload I am not carrying a five shot anything. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 8:52:01 AM EDT
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Oh, yes. Most definitely. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 12:34:46 PM EDT
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The surrounding laws in Washingtoon, DC are so $tupid it is still way to risky. They could all to easily enforce their registration laws. The fight is far from over and I do not have infinite means at my disposal. I still wouldn’t want to be the permit holder that shoots someone. Of course I don’t want to do that anywhere, but especially not in DC. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 12:47:27 PM EDT
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Those firearms must have been either on the CA or MA approved firearms list at one point. At least their approvals don't expire the way CA's do. Of those I think only the G26 is on the list, perhaps the Shield too. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 1:01:02 PM EDT
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To see what MD approves of - you can go here...
Maryland Approved Handguns it looks like most Glocks are OK (only thing I looked at) Still thinking... Bob S. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 10:40:07 PM EDT
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I want a DC CCW. Anyone have a date for your course? Maybe we could do it together.
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Posted: 10/22/2017 8:57:59 PM EDT
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George Lyon. Hit him via the Googles or off my FB. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 1:58:29 PM EDT
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To see what MD approves of - you can go here... Maryland Approved Handguns it looks like most Glocks are OK (only thing I looked at) Still thinking... Bob S. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 2:00:29 PM EDT
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Sitting in the firearms registration office as we speak!
I have to say, the gentleman at the firearms permit desk was really nice and helpful. Fingerprinting officer was... Nice too. The firearms registration last was overworked, and some people were being kind of rude. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 6:26:56 PM EDT
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I was going to mention him as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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George Lyon. Hit him via the Googles or off my FB. Write to [email protected] for more info. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:11:35 PM EDT
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Thinking about it as I work in D.C. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:02:42 AM EDT
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Any updates from those that have gone through the process?
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Posted: 11/15/2017 11:15:45 PM EDT
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I would like an update, too. I am being asked by one of the course providers if I want to sign up for the course in a few weeks.
I'd like to know if DC is issuing permits or if there are still some hurdles. Anybody get a CCW? |
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Posted: 11/16/2017 2:06:15 PM EDT
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If I get the permit, can I carry a concealed weapon anywhere in public in D. C.?
No. There is a long list of locations where people are prohibited from carrying guns, including on public transportation, at Metro stations, on the Mall, in the area of the White House, the U.S. Capitol, at public and private schools, stadiums and in D.C. government buildings. New permits are no help if you only visit DC as a tourist. Also, 16-hour class and 2 hours of range time? Keeping people interested and attentive is going to be challenging for the instructors. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 10:40:18 PM EDT
[#43]
I'll take that as a "no".
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Posted: 11/22/2017 10:54:41 PM EDT
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Me personally, I’m going to do it. I think that the more of us that do it and get one, will show that it was a good thing and that at any given time there could be a lot of honest, truly law abiding citizens carrying legally inside the communist lines.
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Posted: 1/5/2018 9:51:02 AM EDT
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I have mine. Took 60 days from application. I'm a resident. I applied in late Sept., just before the decision by DC not go to the SC.
By the way the claims on the 1,000' prohibition on schools are nonsense. that is an enhanced penalty zone for gun crimes, not a prohibition. Actual prohibited areas are much like many other jurisdictions, it is just in DC because of density that there are more. Also firearm can be on any of the three rosters, Maryland (by far the most extensive roster), California or Massachusetts. Be aware though that even if on Maryland you can't possess a >10 round mag in DC, and you cannot have a threaded barrel on a pistol. As far as mandatory training, I think I feel the way most people do, which is as a mandatory thing it is an infringement, but on he other hand it is pretty much NRA PPOH (Personal protection outside the home), plus general and DC specific self defense and carry law, plus some range time with a qualified instructor, so it ides have value for most people. If you have good recognized training already DC MPD is usually waiving except for two hour law part and two hour range part, and that abridged version is being offered by instructors at lower rates ($250 to $300 for full course, $150for abridged course). You do have to take an abridged refresher and pay an additional $75 each two year renewal. |
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Posted: 1/5/2018 10:08:58 AM EDT
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I have mine. Took 60 days from application. I'm a resident. I applied in late Sept., just before the decision by DC not go to the SC. By the way the claims on the 1,000' prohibition on schools are nonsense. that is an enhanced penalty zone for gun crimes, not a prohibition. Actual prohibited areas are much like many other jurisdictions, it is just in DC because of density that there are more. Also firearm can be on any of the three rosters, Maryland (by far the most extensive roster), California or Massachusetts. Be aware though that even if on Maryland you can't possess a >10 round mag in DC, and you cannot have a threaded barrel on a pistol. As far as mandatory training, I think I feel the way most people do, which is as a mandatory thing it is an infringement, but on he other hand it is pretty much NRA PPOH (Personal protection outside the home), plus general and DC specific self defense and carry law, plus some range time with a qualified instructor, so it ides have value for most people. If you have good recognized training already DC MPD is usually waiving except for two hour law part and two hour range part, and that abridged version is being offered by instructors at lower rates ($250 to $300 for full course, $150for abridged course). You do have to take an abridged refresher and pay an additional $75 each two year renewal. |
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Posted: 1/5/2018 9:37:42 PM EDT
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I have mine. Took 60 days from application. I'm a resident. I applied in late Sept., just before the decision by DC not go to the SC. |
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Posted: 1/19/2018 5:59:29 PM EDT
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I noticed in the DC instructions, it mentioned a DD 214 and a Hunting license as possible sources of waivers for the full course.
I have a Hunter’s Safety certificate from Kansas. I also have a DD 214 that shows that I qualified as an expert with the M9 9mm in 1993. I also qualified as an expert with the M16 and qualified with the M2, M249, M60, and Mk 19 machineguns (there are no categories for those). I served as an infantryman in Desert Storm. I also have numerous current and old hunting licenses. Does anyone have a sense for whether that is enough for a waiver in DC (it is in Virginia)? |
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Posted: 1/19/2018 6:56:56 PM EDT
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If I get the permit, can I carry a concealed weapon anywhere in public in D. C.? No. There is a long list of locations where people are prohibited from carrying guns, including on public transportation, at Metro stations, on the Mall, in the area of the White House, the U.S. Capitol, at public and private schools, stadiums and in D.C. government buildings. New permits are no help if you only visit DC as a tourist. Also, 16-hour class and 2 hours of range time? Keeping people interested and attentive is going to be challenging for the instructors. |
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Posted: 1/19/2018 7:53:31 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a sense for whether that is enough for a waiver in DC (it is in Virginia)? I had to parse that several more times before I understood the phrasing. |
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