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Posted: 2/16/2006 7:16:56 AM EDT
hey guys...got a question.....whats the deal whit buying a semi-auto assualt rifle like the AR-15...
I am 20 and I was told that i cant buy one because Iam not 21...is this true..or not....but the trick is, is that i own a wasar-10 that bought from here in virginia at the armory....
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 9:24:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:
hey guys...got a question.....whats the deal whit buying a semi-auto assualt rifle like the AR-15...
I am 20 and I was told that i cant buy one because Iam not 21...is this true..or not....but the trick is, is that i own a wasar-10 that bought from here in virginia at the armory....




That's bullshit.

It's 18 for all long rifles.

Who told you that?
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:26:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:
hey guys...got a question.....whats the deal whit buying a semi-auto assualt rifle like the AR-15...
I am 20 and I was told that i cant buy one because Iam not 21...is this true..or not....but the trick is, is that i own a wasar-10 that bought from here in virginia at the armory....




That's bullshit.

It's 18 for all long rifles.

Who told you that?



Yup, total bullshit. I am only a university student here, not even a permanent resident of the Commonwealth, and I bought an AR and an M1A here both.

-Ben
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 12:06:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:
hey guys...got a question.....whats the deal whit buying a semi-auto assualt rifle like the AR-15...
I am 20 and I was told that i cant buy one because Iam not 21...is this true..or not....but the trick is, is that i own a wasar-10 that bought from here in virginia at the armory....




That's bullshit.

It's 18 for all long rifles.

Who told you that?



The guy at a&p arms
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 12:31:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:
The guy at a&p arms



That explains it perfectly.

They suck to put it mildly. The last time I was at Pungo a group of A&P "Firearms Experts" was shooting on the twenty-five yard line with AR's that defied description. One had a 16" with no sights or optics of any kind. Just a bare flattop and low profile gas block, so he was doing nothing but point shooting and not hitting a damn thing. Another one of his friends was shooting what had to be at least a 10X scope in a bench rest at twenty-five AND talking loud crap about his "groups". I considerd the whole group to be dangerous and moronic to say the least.

Avoid those idiots like the plague and just visit The Armory, but also be sure to ask for Marie. She will hook you up.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 2:24:33 PM EDT
Yep bullshit in more ways than one. I have never been assualted by a rifle. What is an assualt rife ?
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:10:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:
hey guys...got a question.....whats the deal whit buying a semi-auto assualt rifle like the AR-15...
I am 20 and I was told that i cant buy one because Iam not 21...is this true..or not....but the trick is, is that i own a wasar-10 that bought from here in virginia at the armory....




That's bullshit.

It's 18 for all long rifles.

Who told you that?



The guy at a&p arms



Hampton or VA Beach? I usually swing by the Hampton store bout once a week, and those guys seem alright to me. But then again, they have never fed me BS. Atleast not as far as I know
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:26:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WrenchBender:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:
hey guys...got a question.....whats the deal whit buying a semi-auto assualt rifle like the AR-15...
I am 20 and I was told that i cant buy one because Iam not 21...is this true..or not....but the trick is, is that i own a wasar-10 that bought from here in virginia at the armory....




That's bullshit.

It's 18 for all long rifles.

Who told you that?



The guy at a&p arms



Hampton or VA Beach? I usually swing by the Hampton store bout once a week, and those guys seem alright to me. But then again, they have never fed me BS. Atleast not as far as I know



VA Beach
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 4:35:52 PM EDT
18 for rifles and shotguns...even if an "assault" rifle
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 4:58:39 PM EDT
I'm 20 also. If you want a regular old rifle, you only have to be 18, like everyone here has told you. But if you want to invest in a full auto, or short barrelled rifle, or suppressed AR (which is kinda stupid), or a couple other things... you have to be 21 to get that license. That's the only thing I think he could've been mislead about.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 5:12:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:03:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 7:04:21 PM EDT by rlc]

Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:

Originally Posted By MaverickH1:
I'm 20 also. If you want a regular old rifle, you only have to be 18, like everyone here has told you. But if you want to invest in a full auto, or short barrelled rifle, or suppressed AR (which is kinda stupid), or a couple other things... you have to be 21 to get that license. That's the only thing I think he could've been mislead about.



I guess you've never fired one?




and it's not a license, it's a tax stamp
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:53:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rlc:

Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:

Originally Posted By MaverickH1:
I'm 20 also. If you want a regular old rifle, you only have to be 18, like everyone here has told you. But if you want to invest in a full auto, or short barrelled rifle, or suppressed AR (which is kinda stupid), or a couple other things... you have to be 21 to get that license. That's the only thing I think he could've been mislead about.



I guess you've never fired one?




and it's not a license, it's a tax stamp



And on top of that, I got my Form 1 approved to make my own SBR at 19. No one can transfer one to you, but you can "technically" posses one. Only way around this being 21 buisness is to do it yourself, cause then no one is transferring it too you. Call the NFA branch of the ATF office and talk to a specialist and they can confirm this for you. I don't have the know how to build my own supressor though. If you look carefully I think you will be surprised what you find, I got my CWP at 18 too.

-Ben
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 6:02:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:

And on top of that, I got my Form 1 approved to make my own SBR at 19. No one can transfer one to you, but you can "technically" posses one. Only way around this being 21 buisness is to do it yourself, cause then no one is transferring it too you. Call the NFA branch of the ATF office and talk to a specialist and they can confirm this for you. I don't have the know how to build my own supressor though. If you look carefully I think you will be surprised what you find, I got my CWP at 18 too.

-Ben



In VA? I thought you had to be 21 to posess anything NFA or get your CWP?
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 6:55:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By anr6t:

Originally Posted By RockHard13F:

And on top of that, I got my Form 1 approved to make my own SBR at 19. No one can transfer one to you, but you can "technically" posses one. Only way around this being 21 buisness is to do it yourself, cause then no one is transferring it too you. Call the NFA branch of the ATF office and talk to a specialist and they can confirm this for you. I don't have the know how to build my own supressor though. If you look carefully I think you will be surprised what you find, I got my CWP at 18 too.

-Ben



In VA? I thought you had to be 21 to posess anything NFA or get your CWP?



No, you can make your own SBR in VA at 18 if you can get a commonwealth attorny to sign off on it, as almost no one else will. My CWP is from Idaho, but I haven't run into any problems here in Virginia with it, and I've been pulled over twice and the police where fine with it.

-Ben
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 7:12:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 7:12:55 AM EDT by Majestic_12]
I Have just sent a email out to the NRA stating what is he legal age to purchase a semiauto center fire assault fire here in the state if virginia....
Can wait for that reply!!!!

But I looked on there site about the gun laws here in virginia at this page http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=VA.......it doesn't say anything about the 21 assault rifle law!!!!

IT SEEMS TO BE BULLSHIT I WAS GETTING FOR SURE!!!!!!
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 11:23:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 11:24:03 AM EDT by Majestic_12]
Just got back the email and they said...The legal age for all semiauto center fire assault rifles are 18 years of age......


Damn thoes A&P arms guys......man they really SUCK.....

Link Posted: 2/17/2006 12:03:52 PM EDT
The legal age to have any non-NFA firearm is 18 in virginia. That isnt mandated by virginia law but federal law. As far as having a CCW that is codeafied in va under 18.2-308. Now for the NFA stuff - on the Form 1 it flat out asks if you are 21years of age. Now if they approved it that is really their own fault but technically you shouldnt have it until you are 21. As far as using the corporate route to get around that, be carefull. I was told that using the corp route is legal as long as the person that has the weapon is eligible to possess it.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 12:42:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:
I Have just sent a email out to the NRA stating what is he legal age to purchase a semiauto center fire assault fire here in the state if virginia....



Dude, stop using anti language. Please. You're making my teeth itch.

AR-15's are semi-auto rifles. Period. No "assault" involved unless your last name is Malvo or Mohammed...
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 1:31:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 1:32:03 PM EDT by Majestic_12]

Originally Posted By Bubbles:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:
I Have just sent a email out to the NRA stating what is he legal age to purchase a semiauto center fire assault fire here in the state if virginia....



Dude, stop using anti language. Please. You're making my teeth itch.

AR-15's are semi-auto rifles. Period. No "assault" involved unless your last name is Malvo or Mohammed...



look buddy I know that I'm not a dumb ass....I just put it that way because that is what I was told at A&P arms.....So i wanted to send a email to the NRA so I get the response on the subject so if I run across that bull again I am not going to get turm down!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 1:58:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 2:41:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:

Originally Posted By Bubbles:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:
I Have just sent a email out to the NRA stating what is he legal age to purchase a semiauto center fire assault fire here in the state if virginia....



Dude, stop using anti language. Please. You're making my teeth itch.

AR-15's are semi-auto rifles. Period. No "assault" involved unless your last name is Malvo or Mohammed...



look buddy I know that I'm not a dumb ass....I just put it that way because that is what I was told at A&P arms.....So i wanted to send a email to the NRA so I get the response on the subject so if I run across that bull again I am not going to get turm down!!!!!!!!!!!!



OK, lets all be easy here.



yeah your right VA lets be easy.....
sry bout that!!
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 4:23:57 PM EDT
On the old state form, it clearly stated that in order to purchase an 'assault rifle', or buy a shotgun equipped ONLY with a pistol grip (IE Mossy 500 Crusier) you had to be 21. Of course, the 'post ban' guns didn't fall under that, but the 'pre ban' guns did.

And you are SUPPOSED to present a 3rd form of id when buying an 'assault rifle'.

But the funny thing is, there is no definition of an 'assault rifle' until you get into possession during the commission of a crime.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 4:34:04 PM EDT
A&P has a history of being fools for years, at least 10 years for me. Look on the EE at Pete's Legal Transfers, he is great guy to deal with. Just buy it there and have in transferred to the Armory. Good luck.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 5:21:50 PM EDT
Always check on stuff yourself just to make sure when you buy it. The way laws change and are interpreted differently could mean a lot of things. For example, I found out my saiga was too short before I transfered it. I got it fixed before I transfered it.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:17:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
On the old state form, it clearly stated that in order to purchase an 'assault rifle', or buy a shotgun equipped ONLY with a pistol grip (IE Mossy 500 Crusier) you had to be 21. Of course, the 'post ban' guns didn't fall under that, but the 'pre ban' guns did.

And you are SUPPOSED to present a 3rd form of id when buying an 'assault rifle'.

But the funny thing is, there is no definition of an 'assault rifle' until you get into possession during the commission of a crime.



The only place I found the definition of a 'assault rifle' was at the NRA site under virginia gun laws...it was somewhere near the bottom of the page....it said a 'Assualt Firearm means any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which is equipped with a magazine which will hold more than twenty rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or with a folding stock'......but the site said that was as of April, 2005, but I also emiled the NRA and they replied with the legal age to purchase a assault rifle is 18....

But really its not a big deal anymore b/c I'm doing to get a AR no matter what..
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:19:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
On the old state form, it clearly stated that in order to purchase an 'assault rifle', or buy a shotgun equipped ONLY with a pistol grip (IE Mossy 500 Crusier) you had to be 21. Of course, the 'post ban' guns didn't fall under that, but the 'pre ban' guns did.

And you are SUPPOSED to present a 3rd form of id when buying an 'assault rifle'.

But the funny thing is, there is no definition of an 'assault rifle' until you get into possession during the commission of a crime.



The only place I found the definition of a 'assault rifle' was at the NRA site under virginia gun laws...it was somewhere near the bottom of the page....it said a 'Assualt Firearm means any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which is equipped with a magazine which will hold more than twenty rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or with a folding stock'......but the site said that was as of April, 2005, but I also emiled the NRA and they replied with the legal age to purchase a assault rifle is 18....

But really its not a big deal anymore b/c I'm doing to get a AR no matter what..



Can you please provide a link to this?
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:25:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hydguy:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
On the old state form, it clearly stated that in order to purchase an 'assault rifle', or buy a shotgun equipped ONLY with a pistol grip (IE Mossy 500 Crusier) you had to be 21. Of course, the 'post ban' guns didn't fall under that, but the 'pre ban' guns did.

And you are SUPPOSED to present a 3rd form of id when buying an 'assault rifle'.

But the funny thing is, there is no definition of an 'assault rifle' until you get into possession during the commission of a crime.



The only place I found the definition of a 'assault rifle' was at the NRA site under virginia gun laws...it was somewhere near the bottom of the page....it said a 'Assualt Firearm means any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which is equipped with a magazine which will hold more than twenty rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or with a folding stock'......but the site said that was as of April, 2005, but I also emiled the NRA and they replied with the legal age to purchase a assault rifle is 18....

But really its not a big deal anymore b/c I'm doing to get a AR no matter what..



Can you please provide a link to this?



Here is where I got it form...........http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=VA
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:40:31 PM EDT
Guys,
These are the rules we go by at The Armory:
It is an assault rifle under Virginia Law if it:
1. Has a folding or collapsing stock.
2. Is transferred to the buyer with a magazine capable of holding more than 20 rounds in the SAME transaction.
3. Is capable of accepting a silencer.

Now if a customer buys a rifle that falls under any ONE of these rules, the customer must provide proof of citizenship which is defined as:
1. Voter ID card
2. Birth Certificate
3. Valid US Passport

Age has nothing to do with it. An "Assault Rifle" under Virginia law is just a long gun that has either one or more of the above specifications. If you are 18, you can buy it as long as you have the proof of citizenship when you purchase the rifle and fill out the state and federal firearm transaction forms. If you need more proof, just ask to read the back of the STATE firearm transaction form and it will spell it out in great detail what defines an "Assault Rifle" and the forms of "Proof of Citizenship" that is needed to complete the transfer. There are no age restrictions other than being at least 18 years of age to purchase.

Hope this info helps.

Thanks,
Dan
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:24:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Full_Auto:
Guys,
These are the rules we go by at The Armory:
It is an assault rifle under Virginia Law if it:
1. Has a folding or collapsing stock.
2. Is transferred to the buyer with a magazine capable of holding more than 20 rounds in the SAME transaction.
3. Is capable of accepting a silencer.

Now if a customer buys a rifle that falls under any ONE of these rules, the customer must provide proof of citizenship which is defined as:
1. Voter ID card
2. Birth Certificate
3. Valid US Passport
You forgot Selective Service Card.

Age has nothing to do with it. An "Assault Rifle" under Virginia law is just a long gun that has either one or more of the above specifications. If you are 18, you can buy it as long as you have the proof of citizenship when you purchase the rifle and fill out the state and federal firearm transaction forms. If you need more proof, just ask to read the back of the STATE firearm transaction form and it will spell it out in great detail what defines an "Assault Rifle" and the forms of "Proof of Citizenship" that is needed to complete the transfer. There are no age restrictions other than being at least 18 years of age to purchase.

Hope this info helps.

Thanks,
Dan

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:27:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:

Originally Posted By Hydguy:

Originally Posted By Majestic_12:

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
On the old state form, it clearly stated that in order to purchase an 'assault rifle', or buy a shotgun equipped ONLY with a pistol grip (IE Mossy 500 Crusier) you had to be 21. Of course, the 'post ban' guns didn't fall under that, but the 'pre ban' guns did.

And you are SUPPOSED to present a 3rd form of id when buying an 'assault rifle'.

But the funny thing is, there is no definition of an 'assault rifle' until you get into possession during the commission of a crime.



The only place I found the definition of a 'assault rifle' was at the NRA site under virginia gun laws...it was somewhere near the bottom of the page....it said a 'Assualt Firearm means any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which is equipped with a magazine which will hold more than twenty rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or with a folding stock'......but the site said that was as of April, 2005, but I also emiled the NRA and they replied with the legal age to purchase a assault rifle is 18....

But really its not a big deal anymore b/c I'm doing to get a AR no matter what..



Can you please provide a link to this?



Here is where I got it form...........http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=VA



They are wrong. The definintion of 'assault weapon' ALWAYS has 'at the time of offence' in every refrence in the book, which means that it only becomes an 'assault weapon' if you commit a crime. It is a very poor use of the legal language to make people jump through hoops to buy a semi auto rifle.

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:20:08 AM EDT
"the customer must provide proof of citizenship which is defined as:
1. Voter ID card
2. Birth Certificate
3. Valid US Passport
4."

-there are numerous gunshops that also interpret the law as requiring this additional ID. Hydguy -if it only has to do with later criminal charges filed, then can you provide a cite to VA law?

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:00:40 AM EDT
This is from the VA State Police website located at www.vsp.state.va.us/cjis_vftp.htm, they might be wrong (doubtful) but they are who provides the approvals/disapprovals for selling firearms in VA by licensed dealers. YMMV.

Transfer of an Assault Firearm

Proof of citizenship, or of lawful admission for a permanent residence, must be established prior to the purchase of an "assault firearm." An assault firearm is defined as any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of offence with a magazine which will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock.

Acceptable forms of proof of citizenship or lawful residence, pursuant to §18.2-308.2:2 are:

· a certified birth certificate or certificate of birth abroad issued by the US State Department,

· an un-expired US Passport,

· a U. S. citizen identification card,

· a current voter registration card,

· a current selective service registration card,

· an immigrant or registration card issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and

· a certificate of citizenship or a certificate of naturalization issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
Link Posted: 2/20/2006 9:35:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CBR900:
"the customer must provide proof of citizenship which is defined as:
1. Voter ID card
2. Birth Certificate
3. Valid US Passport
4."

-there are numerous gunshops that also interpret the law as requiring this additional ID. Hydguy -if it only has to do with later criminal charges filed, then can you provide a cite to VA law?




Just read all the sections in the code that corrospond to firearms. In every instance that an 'assault weapon' is cited, it always has the 'at the time of offence' clause in it.

I have never seen a predefined entry of 'assault weapon' in Section 18.

Just start here
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