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Posted: 9/21/2017 7:28:57 AM EDT
Setting aside why would you want on - this can't possibly be legal in IL


https://silencerco.com/maxim50/
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 9:43:17 AM EDT
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It is legal, just has to transfer through an ffl.
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 10:00:32 AM EDT
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Setting aside why would you want on - this can't possibly be legal in IL
https://silencerco.com/maxim50/
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Setting aside why would you want on - this can't possibly be legal in IL
https://silencerco.com/maxim50/

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It is legal, just has to transfer through an ffl.
Doesn't  IL consider muzzleloaders a firearm and require a FOID?   How can it bypass the state suppressor aka  "silencer" laws?   I'm sure they did their research, but will be interested to see where it goes by not falling under NFA.

..."After examination of the submitted sample, our Branch has determined that the subject sound moderator attached to the host antique firearm  would  not  meet the definition of a “firearm” presented in the NFA or the GCA because it is not a device for reducing the report of a portable firearm"...

WHY  DON’T  I  NEED  A  TAX  STAMP?  The BATFE defines a silencer as a “device for silencing,  muffling,  or  diminishing  the  report  of  a portable firearm...”   By that definition, a silencer is only a silencer if it can attach to a firearm. The Maxim 50 is built on the base of a Traditions™ Vortek  Strikerfire  Muzzleloader.  Muzzleloaders  are not considered firearms by the BATFE, but are instead antique firearms, a definition and difference that is very distinct. Because  of  this,  a  moderator  that  is  permanently affixed  to  a  muzzleloader is  not  legally defined  as a silencer, since it does not attach to a firearm.

The Maxim 50 is built on the base of a Traditions™ Vortek  Strikerfire  Muzzleloader.  Muzzleloaders  are not considered firearms by the BATFE, but are instead antique firearms, a definition and difference that is very distinct.

Because  of  this,  a  moderator  that  is  permanently affixed  to  a  muzzleloader is  not  legally defined  as a silencer, since it does not attach to a firearm.
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 12:16:28 PM EDT
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Doesn't  IL consider muzzleloaders a firearm and require a FOID?   How can it bypass the state suppressor aka  "silencer" laws?   I'm sure they did their research, but will be interested to see where it goes by not falling under NFA.

..."After examination of the submitted sample, our Branch has determined that the subject sound moderator attached to the host antique firearm  would  not  meet the definition of a “firearm” presented in the NFA or the GCA because it is not a device for reducing the report of a portable firearm"...

WHY  DON’T  I  NEED  A  TAX  STAMP?  The BATFE defines a silencer as a “device for silencing,  muffling,  or  diminishing  the  report  of  a portable firearm...”   By that definition, a silencer is only a silencer if it can attach to a firearm. The Maxim 50 is built on the base of a Traditions™ Vortek  Strikerfire  Muzzleloader.  Muzzleloaders  are not considered firearms by the BATFE, but are instead antique firearms, a definition and difference that is very distinct. Because  of  this,  a  moderator  that  is  permanently affixed  to  a  muzzleloader is  not  legally defined  as a silencer, since it does not attach to a firearm.

The Maxim 50 is built on the base of a Traditions™ Vortek  Strikerfire  Muzzleloader.  Muzzleloaders  are not considered firearms by the BATFE, but are instead antique firearms, a definition and difference that is very distinct.

Because  of  this,  a  moderator  that  is  permanently affixed  to  a  muzzleloader is  not  legally defined  as a silencer, since it does not attach to a firearm.
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It is in the wildlife code as well that suppressors aren't allowed...if this were an option I would consider it
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 3:13:04 PM EDT
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..The BATFE defines a silencer as a “device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm...”   By that definition, a silencer is only a silencer if it can attach to a firearm. ...

I guess Im still not sure it is going to fly in IL.

So for Spike's Brown Recluse integrally suppressed 9mm, what does that mean?

https://www.silencershop.com/spike-s-tactical-brown-recluse.html

...Did we mention this thing was integrally suppressed?  The suppressor tube/body is nestled under a spikes quad-rail handguard and permanently affixed to the barrel making the Recluse a “One-Stamp Gun.” That is to say that, it is not considered a Short-Barreled Rifle because the barrel extends past the 16” requirement.  The suppressor is then the only part of this firearm that is an NFA item.
Link Posted: 9/21/2017 9:53:52 PM EDT
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If to many start getting sold I see the ATF changing their wording as to an antique firearm. Using a modern 209 primer is not used on an antique firearm. Also it would not stop anyone from unscrewing the portion used to hold the primer and have something machined to hold a 50 cal round. Just my opinion for what it's worth.
Link Posted: 9/28/2017 12:17:00 AM EDT
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And we have an IL negatory from their facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/silencerco/posts/1482057708508808:0

SilencerCo

Upon launch of the Maxim 50, we received some legal challenges to our research. We have since received confirmation from multiple legal experts at the state level that although muzzleloaders are in fact 50 state legal, the definitions of firearms in CA, DE, HI, IL, MA, NJ, NY, and RI with respect to firearm silencer prohibitions are sufficiently broad to exclude the Maxim 50. At this time, we are unable to sell the Maxim 50 in CA, DE, HI, IL, MA, NJ, NY, and RI (the states where NFA regulated silencers are not legal for ownership or hunting) pending further legal challenges. Our goal with the Maxim 50 was to make a universally accessible shooting product that is hearing safe and unfortunately we fell short of the goal by 8 states. The Maxim 50 can still be enjoyed in the remaining 42 states without fingerprints, photographs, lengthy paperwork, or a long wait.
Link Posted: 9/30/2017 2:38:24 AM EDT
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And we have an IL negatory from their facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/silencerco/posts/1482057708508808:0

SilencerCo

Upon launch of the Maxim 50, we received some legal challenges to our research. We have since received confirmation from multiple legal experts at the state level that although muzzleloaders are in fact 50 state legal, the definitions of firearms in CA, DE, HI, IL, MA, NJ, NY, and RI with respect to firearm silencer prohibitions are sufficiently broad to exclude the Maxim 50. At this time, we are unable to sell the Maxim 50 in CA, DE, HI, IL, MA, NJ, NY, and RI (the states where NFA regulated silencers are not legal for ownership or hunting) pending further legal challenges. Our goal with the Maxim 50 was to make a universally accessible shooting product that is hearing safe and unfortunately we fell short of the goal by 8 states. The Maxim 50 can still be enjoyed in the remaining 42 states without fingerprints, photographs, lengthy paperwork, or a long wait.
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So now the maxim 42?

Wish the laws here weren't so stupid
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