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Posted: 3/16/2006 6:17:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 6:20:58 AM EDT by ops144]
this story pretty much kills all the hype of the last week...

also second shooting was probably done with a glock not a tech 9

so in ending a ban here wouldnt have made a lick of diffrence

as we all know....... go after the criminals not the honest gun owners


www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0603160196mar16,0,3154603.story?coll=chi-news-hed
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:26:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 6:27:47 AM EDT by silascobb]


Records reviewed by the Tribune show that Weeks filled out a Federal Firearms Transaction form in late June, listing his address as an apartment in Indianapolis and providing an Indiana state ID card to verify his identity.



Come again? Are 4473's public record?
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 6:34:27 AM EDT
i know nothing about that honestly
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:11:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By silascobb:
Are 4473's public record?



You know they're not.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 7:25:35 AM EDT
Then, unless they were made public by the LEO/Feds then how the hell did the Tribune get them?
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 10:25:53 AM EDT
Theoretically the Feds can not even legally take the original 4473's without a warrant either, unless the dealer was coerced by someone.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 11:58:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 11:59:26 AM EDT by silascobb]
I just re-read the article.


Police have not recovered the gun that killed her, but the description witnesses gave and the numerous shell casings recovered at the scene are consistent with an AK-47. The gun was originally developed by the Soviet army, and is the most widely used military assault rifle in the world, according to gun experts.

The guns are designed for use by trained soldiers, not for civilians, said Tom Diaz, a former military small-arms specialist who is now an analyst for the gun-industry watchdog, Violence Policy Center.

"And we're not talking about military engagement, were talking about some miscreant out on the streets who now has an incredible amount of firepower, who is going to--what they used to call `spray and pray,' " Diaz said.



Link Posted: 3/16/2006 2:53:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 2:55:15 PM EDT by HKMP5A2]
Just think a law abiding citizen with ccw may have been able to intervene and stop this POS

I would never bring a handgun to a long gun fight but if I was ccw with my g19 or 21 and at the scene I sure would jump in.

One more reason for state and federal CCW They just don't get it.

How sad.

Did I miss something Automatic?

Six months before he allegedly killed 14-year-old Starkesia Reed in a spray of automatic gunfire, gang member Carail Weeks went to Indiana to buy an AK-47
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 3:13:12 PM EDT
Weeks had potentially broken the law by using false information to buy the guns, and the ATF was investigating him as a potential gun trafficker. It was unclear why federal agents had not arrested him.


i think this is the real story ! ! !
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 3:20:44 PM EDT
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Police have not recovered the gun that killed her, but the description witnesses gave and the numerous shell casings recovered at the scene are consistent with an AK-47. The gun was originally developed by the Soviet army, and is the most widely used military assault rifle in the world, according to gun experts.

The guns are designed for use by trained soldiers, not for civilians, said Tom Diaz, a former military small-arms specialist who is now an analyst for the gun-industry watchdog, Violence Policy Center.

"And we're not talking about military engagement, were talking about some miscreant out on the streets who now has an incredible amount of firepower, who is going to--what they used to call `spray and pray,' " Diaz said.





What is a "military small arms specialist"? Does this mean he completed basic training?
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 3:48:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/16/2006 3:57:54 PM EDT by AlvinYorkII]

Originally Posted By SIGNAL4L:
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Police have not recovered the gun that killed her, but the description witnesses gave and the numerous shell casings recovered at the scene are consistent with an AK-47. The gun was originally developed by the Soviet army, and is the most widely used military assault rifle in the world, according to gun experts.

The guns are designed for use by trained soldiers, not for civilians, said Tom Diaz, a former military small-arms specialist who is now an analyst for the gun-industry watchdog, Violence Policy Center.

"And we're not talking about military engagement, were talking about some miscreant out on the streets who now has an incredible amount of firepower, who is going to--what they used to call `spray and pray,' " Diaz said.



What is a "military small arms specialist"? Does this mean he completed basic training?





Nah, he's probably just some anti-gun asshole that they have working for their self-described watchdog group. Funny I always thought that watchdogs were meant to guard and protect does this mean that this group is out to protect the gun industry?


Alvin



Oops I just looked it up, I was wrong it's not a watch dog group as adverrtised in the article, it seeks to actively ban all firearms. Nevermind just shows you that you cant trust everything you read anymore.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 4:59:27 PM EDT
So are they trying to say that you can buy a FULL AUTO in Indiana without the tax stamp?
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 6:28:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 6:33:55 AM EDT by silascobb]

Originally Posted By hman710:
So are they trying to say that you can buy a FULL AUTO in Indiana without the tax stamp?



No, obviously you cannot. But typical of media ignorace with respect to firearms, they don't attempt to disabuse the public of that notion.

This guy likely had a semi-auto AK.


Six months before he allegedly killed 14-year-old Starkesia Reed in a spray of automatic gunfire, gang member Carail Weeks went to Indiana to buy an AK-47.



Weeks bought the Romanian-made WASR-10 version of the AK-47, and two more Hi-Point pistols--a 9 mm and a .45-caliber, according to sources.


Link Posted: 3/17/2006 7:11:29 AM EDT
Yeah - though even us gun folks refer to AK-style semi-autos as "AK-47s"

Check out the "AK-47" forums up at the top....


Maybe we need another name for semi-auto AKs?



The root of the problem is that those that love the Black Rifles often like 'em because of their military-styling / durability / etc. and with the way they look, it's easy for the general public to think that they're full-auto - which terrifies them.
(not that we shouldn't have the ability to own full auto without legal restrictions)

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:01:26 PM EDT
Kalishnikov Korner! That would be a suitable substitiute for the AK-47 tab.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:36:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Toratsugu:
Kalishnikov Korner! That would be a suitable substitiute for the AK-47 tab.


aint that right next to Stoner Drive?
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 3:05:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HKMP5A2:
Just think a law abiding citizen with ccw may have been able to intervene and stop this POS

I would never bring a handgun to a long gun fight but if I was ccw with my g19 or 21 and at the scene I sure would jump in.

One more reason for state and federal CCW They just don't get it.

How sad.

Did I miss something Automatic?

Six months before he allegedly killed 14-year-old Starkesia Reed in a spray of automatic gunfire, gang member Carail Weeks went to Indiana to buy an AK-47



No difference at all. Englewood problem is gang problem. If you killed their brother for self-defense, they will go after you. Gangs are not poor people as media implied. They got money from illegal businesses. With all that drug and prostitution money, they can get any type of guns they want. If they can't get from within the USA, they will get it from Canada just like old days during the Prohibition. Daley knows this and he also knows that he can't do much about this for reasons. So, as a politician, he resolves his problem and saves his image by blaming guns.

Chicago Tribune is anti-gun by default. People are murdered in Chicago everyday, and alot of murdered people are killed defenselessly in their homes. But the Tribune, hating gun by nature, doesn't blame city's policy to disarm everybody but blames gun-owners for what they're not responsible.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 6:14:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Just_Charlie:

Originally Posted By HKMP5A2:
Just think a law abiding citizen with ccw may have been able to intervene and stop this POS

I would never bring a handgun to a long gun fight but if I was ccw with my g19 or 21 and at the scene I sure would jump in.

One more reason for state and federal CCW They just don't get it.

How sad.

Did I miss something Automatic?

Six months before he allegedly killed 14-year-old Starkesia Reed in a spray of automatic gunfire, gang member Carail Weeks went to Indiana to buy an AK-47



No difference at all. Englewood problem is gang problem. If you killed their brother for self-defense, they will go after you. Gangs are not poor people as media implied. They got money from illegal businesses. With all that drug and prostitution money, they can get any type of guns they want. If they can't get from within the USA, they will get it from Canada just like old days during the Prohibition. Daley knows this and he also knows that he can't do much about this for reasons. So, as a politician, he resolves his problem and saves his image by blaming guns.

Chicago Tribune is anti-gun by default. People are murdered in Chicago everyday, and alot of murdered people are killed defenselessly in their homes. But the Tribune, hating gun by nature, doesn't blame city's policy to disarm everybody but blames gun-owners for what they're not responsible.



Agreed 100%.....I work as a technician in that area alot. most of my work is in alleys and gangways..[phoneman]..Its insane to see what goes on during the day, much less what happens at night.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:30:44 PM EDT
I finally got a response from their editor today....

Dear Mr. Nuccio,

Thank you for your email. I am sorry if I failed to respond to an
earlier note. I get many hundreds every week and while I do read them, it is
not always possible for me to write back every time.

I appreciate your perspective on this. There are many varied views of
these issues, and I respect your right to hold the view you do. As you
have read, the Tribune editorial page sees it differently. This is an
important debate in our country and, clearly, not agreement on how to
proceed.

As for the death penalty, we have reported quite extensively on that
and withdrew our support of the death penalty when our own stories
revealed severe flaws in its adminstration--here in Illinois, and elsewhere.

Thanks for reading the Tribune and for taking the time to let us know
how you feel about what we write.

Sincerely,

Ann Marie Lipinski
Editor
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:31:33 PM EDT
I sent her a nasty response btw. Told her, in so many words, to get her head out of the sand and see reality.
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