Quoted: Whoa ho, the battle between North and South, dare I say another Civil War? I doubt it. I hate to say this, and ruin your picture of the South, but you are wrong. Down here in the South, we ain't as backward as you Northern boys might think. You say raisin' 3 kinds of hell will get us 3 kinds of hurt? Then guarantee we'll come back with 9 kinds of hell and hurt in return. You say that the major fighting forces against the Daley "NORTHERN" bags of shit are in the North, we may not have as big a role in the face to face fighting as you Northern boys do (that I do not know), but behind the scenes, the phone calls to our representatives and senators, the fliers, the very important word of mouth to those that are misinformed, the sportsmans events, the gun shows that are always packed full, the letters that we send to our representatives, the face to face confrontations in Springfield and anything else I can't think of at the moment. Also, i'd just like to say that contrary to popular belief, there are no good ol' boys living in East St. Louis. But, there's a shitload of them in the surrounding area. I'm under the assumtion that your Vietnam Vet crack is aimed at the liberal bag of shit that's currently running for president, so I won't respond to that. Instead, I'll leave with this, the problem isn't just north, or isn't just south. It's Chicago, Decatur, East St. Louis, ect..... the problem is the misinformed and the duped, the Kerry lovers, and the idiots that vote straight tickets, instead of looking at the issues, and deciding from there. Keep everyone informed, make your voice be heard.

Agreed. And I regret my Vietnam Vet comment, I am kicking my own ass, I meant the Kerry crowd and I know I didn't say it that way. Xer standing corrected. North or South, I'm with ya bro. Bye the way, I'm partial to Dixie where old times aren't forgotten cuz

Quoted: pat 73  I don't believe that I have heard such BS since the Democratic National Convention.  Are you serious?  The collar counties "feed" the rest of the state?  Just out of curiosity, since you are feeding us downstaters, how many bushel of corn are you getting per acre?  How many head of hogs and cows is your county producing?  Trust me hotrod, downstate Illinois not only feeds the state, but the rest of the world.  And let me clarify something.  When I refer to Northern Illinois I'm not really referring to all of No. Illinois, just the Northeastern part.  In other words, Cook and the collar counties.  That part of the state continues to push its left-wing, pro-gay, affirmative action, anti-gun, high taxes, pro-UN, socialist agenda on the rest of the state.  Don't believe me?  There are 102 counties in Illinois and see how they all voted in the last election.  Downstate overwhelmingly supported Bush.  But no matter how hard we try we can't outvote Chicago.     All you have to do is look at the state senate and house records to see where all the anti-gun bills originate from.  It sure as hell doesn't come from down here!  All the anti-gun lesiglation is always proposed from some Northeastern Ill. piece of shit.  Like I said, you all have the numbers to do something about it.  If you are so damn powerful, why don't you clean up your own backyard first and get rid of Daily?  I'll make a bet with you.  The next time  the Northern Senators and Representatives get a bunch of anti-gun bills going like they did in 03, I'll bring my boys up, and you bring your boys down.  We'll meet in Springfield to rally at the capitol, just like last time.  The bet is that I'll have more people there representing our county per capita than you will.  Willing to wager?  Talk is cheap.  And in the meantime, we will both be helping out our mutual cause.  Are you game?

Dude, I am not waging war with you. How long has the price of corn held the same? Come on. Downstate IL doesn't make a fraction of revenue the north does. I'm not supporting that, I don't even like anyone here so damnit don't put me in a position to defend this area. I'm just saying let's keep it real, we need to stop bullshitting ourselves about politicians from down state. Do you know how lethal that thinking is for us? All it takes is one big assed state tax grant to set up somekind of airport or factory in a depressed southern IL area and those pro gun Democrats are going to line up to suck Blago's dick, bet on it. Let's keep it real guys. I'm not making bets with you, that's not what this is about. You can ralley all you want and incite the masses, but Chicago lawyers will whoop your ass time in and time out. This is part of the problem, redneck arrogance. You can't spar in court with slick Chicago politicians dude, be real, and neither can any of your "boys" and neither can I or CK or any of us and thats the problem. We need a united front that is chock full of pros, not good ole boys whooping it up and shouting like the battle of Mannassas. I'm with ya man, just listen to yourself, and listen to me and then ask yourself, which idea sounds more sensible?

Quoted: Dude, I am not waging war with you. How long has the price of corn held the same? Come on. Downstate IL doesn't make a fraction of revenue the north does.

The price of corn has skyrocketed since we stopped importing Canadian beef due to mad cow. Farmers are going to do very well this year. As far as revenue, wanna compare the real estate taxes on a $300k, urban sprawl home to a farmer with a couple thousand acres?

I'm not supporting that, I don't even like anyone here so damnit don't put me in a position to defend this area.

I agree, so feel free to stop at any time.

I'm just saying let's keep it real, we need to stop bullshitting ourselves about politicians from down state. Do you know how lethal that thinking is for us? All it takes is one big assed state tax grant to set up somekind of airport or factory in a depressed southern IL area and those pro gun Democrats are going to line up to suck Blago's dick, bet on it.

They might broker some deals, but they won't sell out their constituency, particularly on hot button topics like taxes, education, or gun control. Jobs be damned, selling out is the kiss of death down here. That is even more the case when we're talking about Chicago.

Bear in mind that this is the very thing that happened at Mitsubishi, which is about 30 miles away. They got a state loan--did it help Blago, in spite of the PR? How about the loan to Keystone? The I-74 project--does it matter that local contractors got phases 2 and 3, or does everyone instead remember that a Chicago firm with Daley connections got phase 1?

Let's keep it real guys. I'm not making bets with you, that's not what this is about. You can ralley all you want and incite the masses, but Chicago lawyers will whoop your ass time in and time out. This is part of the problem, redneck arrogance. You can't spar in court with slick Chicago politicians dude, be real, and neither can any of your "boys" and neither can I or CK or any of us and thats the problem. We need a united front that is chock full of pros, not good ole boys whooping it up and shouting like the battle of Mannassas. I'm with ya man, just listen to yourself, and listen to me and then ask yourself, which idea sounds more sensible?

WTF do Chicago lawyers and court have to do with legislative initiatives? And, FWIW, I suspect CK will strongly disagree with your view that we can't beat them in court--concealcarry has handed them their asses more than once.

I mean no disrespect--frankly, I agree with you more often than not--but you're talking out your ass here. What you're saying does not reflect the reality of what we experience down here. We live here, you don't; how about giving us the benefit of the doubt?

The Republican and Democrat in the state senate race in my district were both NRA "A" rated. The police own evil black rifles, and shoot regularly. Whoever pointed out that Poshard would have been a far better selection than Ryan was dead on.

The detriments of downstate are:

1. As I pointed out previously, Democrats, even pro-gun dems, give majority control to the Chicago machine, and

2. For the most part, the thousands of unmotivated hunters downstate won't get off their asses to oppose a gun law if it doesn't affect something in their closet.

#2 is a point worth addressing. If the commiecrats cut the sections from their AWB that ban popular hunting stuff by accident, we're in deep shit. A lot of pissed off hunters made a big difference in legislator's eyes. If they try to mimic the old federal law, they may well be successful.

Look, I think things kinda took a wrong turn.  We are all on the same team here.  All I'm saying is that the trouble with Illinois is NOT downstate.  Anyone who is trully objective can see that an overwhelming amount of our taxes down here end up in Chicago.  Not only that, but since close to half of the states' population is in Chi-town, they get half of the state representatives.  You say that voting no on a gun ban doesn't mean anything, then just what in the hell does?  Voting yes?  Look bro, the only way we can beat those bastards is to ensure that we have people in the statehouse that we can count on.  
 I have one other point of contention.  I find it disheartening that anytime an intellectual debate starts, urban people feel the need to mock rural people.  You say that a bunch of good ol' boys yelling won't get anything done against Chicago lawyers.  It would seem that you are ensenuating that good ol' boys don't have the intellectual capacity to hang with the urban elites.  I have a problem with that.  It is that elitist attitude that bothers me most.  I know a lot of "rednecks", that are as well read as any Ivy Leaguer.  Hemingway, Roark, Hawking.. you name it.  We go to college, and we get degrees just like anyone else.  Hell, we even have lawyers down here!  And trust me, they are just as competent as any high dollar Chicago fag.  And sometimes, it DOES take some screaming rednecks to get things done.  You want to know one of the reasons the left wing has been so successful in this country?  They march.  We don't.  The squeaky wheel gets the grease.  If we could get our guys to turn out in numbers and wave signs, they would be forced to listen.  It's the same at the ballot box.  If our guys would consistently vote, we would win ever election hands down.  
 Look I'm not trying to flame anyone here, it's just that I hear that same rhetoric from the left wing elites and it really bothers me.  We all need to spread the word about the constitution, the assault weapons ban and gun ownership.  Even us redneck, downstate, good ol' boys are good for it.  After all, wasn't it a backwoods, downstate, lawyer that preserved the Union?

A couple of days ago I was having a conversation with a buddy, and being uninformed he asked me about the sunset of the AWB. A woman that I work with said and I quote " That's just great, now we will have a bunch of crazy people going out and buying these guns and shooting everyone". I won't get into all I said, that would take to much time and I would be preaching to the choir. But you can imagine my response. The very next day, I was having the same conversation with another uninformed, and by the grace of god the same woman had done a complete 180 on the subject. Needless to say, I felt great that I had changed the mind of one voter, and maybe she will change the mind of another. That is how we win the war, by educating the misinformed. Downstate issued a challenge, and you can bet the challenge was heard loud and clear in this house, but I would like to issue a challenge myself. GO OUT AND CHANGE THE MIND OF ONE PERSON. Use the knowledge that you possess and change one persons mind with the truth. There are some that you can't change, I am well aware of those idiots. But there are some that just need that one person to give them a little push in the right direction. So gentlemen, continue to fight the good fight, and as my wise cousin always says, "keep your powder dry".

All it takes is one big assed state tax grant to set up somekind of airport or factory in a depressed southern IL area and those pro gun Democrats are going to line up to suck Blago's dick, bet on it.

They tried this a few years ago and built Mid America Airport next to Scott AFB.  I don't think it worked because no carriers use this airport, a total waste of money.

The I-74 project--does it matter that local contractors got phases 2 and 3, or does everyone instead remember that a Chicago firm with Daley connections got phase 1?

 

I believe that Walsh Const. got phase one on that project.  I doubt if they made the profit that they were expecting, I know they fired a manager or two over that job.

Quoted: The I-74 project--does it matter that local contractors got phases 2 and 3, or does everyone instead remember that a Chicago firm with Daley connections got phase 1?   I believe that Walsh Const. got phase one on that project.  I doubt if they made the profit that they were expecting, I know they fired a manager or two over that job.

Yes, I think that's right. IIRC, R.A. Cullinan and Illinois Valley Paving got the next phases. The point I was trying to make is that everyone down here remembers that the Chicago firm with Daley connections got phase 1. Lots of locals don't like that one bit.

Daley is a fucking tampon.

Quoted: Quoted: Dude, I am not waging war with you. How long has the price of corn held the same? Come on. Downstate IL doesn't make a fraction of revenue the north does.

The price of corn has skyrocketed since we stopped importing Canadian beef due to mad cow. Farmers are going to do very well this year. As far as revenue, wanna compare the real estate taxes on a $300k, urban sprawl home to a farmer with a couple thousand acres?

Do yourself a favor. Don't pick fight with people up here. You'll look stupid and make us all look bad. There are reasons why 1/4 acre parcels up here cost $300k and there are reasons why $300k can buy you whatever the amount of farmland you can buy down there. It's because there is big, big ass money up here. I bet there is more money in one checking account in Lake Forest then there is in all the farmland combined in your county. I love farmers, but you sound stupid man. Stop hurting yourself. Don't run the Deere in the barn anymore when you're in there taking a nap.

Question from PA resident:
What are the chances of the AWB being passed in your state?

Quoted: Question from PA resident: What are the chances of the AWB being passed in your state?

Nil.
There's enough conviction to see us through.
If that's not enough, the overwhelming hatred we have for Daley and his hand-puppet Gov will fuel us to victory.


CKMorley

We will stand for no gun bans in Illinois.

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Illinois Governor Seeks To Enact Semi-Auto Firearm Ban!



Monday, September 20, 2004

Two of the most powerful anti-gun extremists in Illinois, Governor Rod Blagojevich (D) and Chicago Mayor Richard Daley (D), have launched yet another assault on our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As everyone in the pro-gun community knows, the federal ban on so-called "assault weapons" officially expired on Monday, September 13, and the gun-ban duo of Blagojevich and Daley wasted no time trying to exploit the public`s confusion over the issue by proposing Illinois enact its own law. According to the Chicago Tribune, the Governor and Mayor announced in separate appearances on Tuesday their intention to "remedy" the ban’s expiration "at the state level," with Blagojevich claiming he would "do what we can here in Illinois during the veto session."

We can anticipate a heated two weeks in November during the Fall Veto Session, as Blagojevich, Daley, and anti-gun extremists in Illinois do all they can to promote their gun-ban agenda. The Governor has already shown the anti-gun depths to which he will sink when he vetoed a bill (SB 2165) in August that would have strengthened the right to self defense in the home. In addition, Mayor Daley, along with Chicago Alderman Ray Suarez (Ward 31), is hosting an "Anti-Gun March" in Chicago’s Ward 31 on Tuesday, September 28, which will likely serve to promote Daley’s efforts to pass gun-ban legislation in November.

I hope Blago-Daley realize they are handing this state over to Bush. I wonder if the Democrats will try and talk some sense into them. In any event, We will hammer them on the phone in November.