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Posted: 10/16/2003 4:06:27 PM EDT
Anybody else here get the new American Rifleman today in the mail? On the very first page you will find an insert warning us about the upcoming veto session. SB1195 and SB947 are still there and could be called or tacked on to another bill. Perhaps we should begin the phone calls now? Perhaps we need our own recall here in IL.
Link Posted: 10/16/2003 5:59:16 PM EDT
I would vote for the recall. Only problem, who would we put in there? Also, anyone with good info on the senate candidates that are going to replace Fitzgerald?
Link Posted: 10/16/2003 6:42:44 PM EDT
Very good question. Are you asking if we should replace Fitzgerald or if he should be Governor?
Link Posted: 10/16/2003 7:02:58 PM EDT
Flush 'em all. There isn't a single one worthy of re-election. We need to clean house, Start fresh, and make sure the new blood knows who the voters are. The incumbents have taken their own course in this state, and it is a disaster waiting to happen. Re-Elect No One.
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 3:32:55 AM EDT
I agree, lets have our own recall - but who to elect...oh thats right, there is no one worth electing in this state right now.
I would like to support a governor who will actually take on Daeley and his henchmen!
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 4:34:27 AM EDT
I agree elect only those that wish to show Daley he is a mayor, not the dictator of IL, he does not own this state although he thinks he does. We really, really need to take action at the polls. Anybody else feel like this state is stuck in 1968? The root of every single political problem in this state lies within the political gears of Chicago. I do not live in Chicago and I have had it with paying the price for their problems. Our problem is we are David, they are Goliath, but David will win. Somehow, we need to pass legislation to limit mayoral terms in Chicago, and it should be retro-active. The vast majority of states are racing towards 2nd Amendment rights at unprecedented speed. Anyone watch Hardball? Last night even the national media (Chris Matthews) took on one of Washington DC's Liberal Senators regarding the DC gun ban. No matter what reason she came up with for the DC gun ban, Chris Matthews proved the point that people in DC have been robbed of their Constitutional rights. People are starting to get it and the politicians that wish to erode our civil rights and render us defenseless to thugs and terrorists are going to stick out like a sore thumb. They can spin the California recall any which way they like and although there are a myriad of issues surrounding it Davis has signed some of the absolute worst gun bills into law. Coincidence? I think we need to take on an entirely fresh new look. I don't think we should focus on career politicians in IL anymore but like you guys said, we need someone who will take IL back from Daley. Who wants the job besides me?
We would need funding, who would fund this effort? I think a recall in IL may be a stretch bust the message must be sent and if not now, at election time. new slogan:
BLAGO GOTTA GO!
Blagoevich is a dangerous, arrogant Chicagoan salivating at the idea of screwing us. We need to join the other states i.e. California and our next door neigbors Missouri and Wisconsin in sending this message to the Socialist baby Boomer political ideal machine:
FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE!
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 9:35:58 AM EDT
12.5 million people live in IL. 3 million in the city of chicago. you do the math.....
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 10:24:24 AM EDT
Yes so I think the point is we are the vast majority.
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 1:30:28 PM EDT
I really think our BEST hope is that SCOTUS will hear Silveira vs. Lockyer and affirm the 2nd Amendment as an individual right. That would end all of this "home rule" BS that constantly gets invoked in justifying these stupid laws.

Just a thought--if home rule is not subject to the Constitution, as many mayors seem to believe, why can't we just make our own town that isn't part of the state, or even the country? Makes no sense at all.

I'm with Grock--flush 'em all and start over. As far as I'm concerned, Daley can be king of the 51st state.
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 5:28:36 PM EDT
As far as I am concerned Chicago can become it's own seperate state w/o any tax base from IL. I know the Supreme Court is going to hear the case any idea when? Doesn't the Kalifornia AG have to respond to them on his position in the next week or so?
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 5:52:21 PM EDT
Exactly Patriot, we can take our state back. But we will have a huge fight. Everyone will have to be 150% in it if we are to make a difference. There are a LOT of registered voters getting a free ride from the Dems, so we will have to convince THEM that our way is better.
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 5:55:53 PM EDT
I think we know who is getting a free ride from the DEMS and they live in Chicago. Until you convince these people that having a job is a good thing, we will have one helluva battle. The upcoming Supreme Court case could be our saving grace. I don't trust these people as far as I can throw them.
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 9:15:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By patriot73:
As far as I am concerned Chicago can become it's own seperate state w/o any tax base from IL. I know the Supreme Court is going to hear the case any idea when? Doesn't the Kalifornia AG have to respond to them on his position in the next week or so?



By the 22nd, the Kalifornistan AG has to file a Brief in Opposition. The Silveira team then has to file a reply brief responding to the Lockyer opposition ASAP.

Sounds a LOT like they're going to hear it, but it ain't over till the fat lady sings...

keepandbeararms.com/Silveira/SCtReq.asp
Link Posted: 10/18/2003 10:08:27 AM EDT
I have been staying posted to keepandbeararms.com. They must here it. Enough is enough. I just read on the homepage that the hazlewood MO police chief is ordering his men to confiscate all handguns after illegally searching all vehicles during traffic stops. I guess the will of the people doesn't mean anything anymore to law enforcement. I absolutely support law enforcement but it's high time they realized they are here to "serve and protect" not "rule and harrass despite the law" Enough is enough with this crap.
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 1:35:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/20/2003 1:37:15 PM EDT by CKMorley]
Illinoians do not have the right to recall offficials or petition the State Gov. or force ballot initiatives.

All these goodies and more, were inserted into the 1970 rewrite of the IL State Constitution at the behest of King Daley 1st.

"Hom e Rule", was their crowning acheivement; giving local municipalities the power to act as a state unto themselves (until someone with $ challenges it in court.)

I place the blame for all this squarely at the feet of gunowners of that generation, who let the FOID act pass in 1968, who let Chgo and Morton Grove ban handguns, etc.

I remember, as a kid, looking at guns and buying ammo with my dad at Kmarts and gun stores and NEVER being asked for a FOID. The FOID act was understood (with a wink and nudge) to apply only to "Those People From Chicago" a.k.a. minorities. Politicians in suburban districts assured their voters that the FOID law was intended to keep guns away from Chgo minorities, since they probably couldn't pass a criminal check.

"They'll never ask US for our permit" said the politicians.
And they were right, until the late 1980's and handgun ban fever swept the suburbs. Suddenly eveyone needed a FOID, notjust "Those People From Chgo".

When I was a High School freshman, 22 years ago, I'd walk a couple miles to the local gunstore (Apache Guns in Merrionette Park) to buy gun magazines and check out the guns. Even at just 14, the clerk would let me handle any pistol or EBR I asked for, but any black who came in was basically run outa the store. Itmust've looked REALLY STRANGE to them, being asked for perrmits and papers while high school freshman stood a few feet away, handling an AR180.

Our fathers traded their liberty for the promise of safety, and screwed their sons in the process.

CKMorley
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 5:25:51 PM EDT
Well spoken, as always, Mr. Morley.

Just curious; what are your thoughts on Silveira vs. Lockyer?

Link Posted: 10/21/2003 11:32:40 AM EDT
Well said. I remember those days well.
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 12:30:44 PM EDT
CK, but the question remains, can they legally transport loaded magazines...

Sorry I had to
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 12:37:30 PM EDT
As for Silvera vs Locklear......

SCOTUS still can choose not to hear it from what I understand. They managed to duck the Emerson Case and the Bean Case, when lawyers I knew from the Second Ammendment Foundation were SURE that SCOTUS "had to take the case".

I had alot of contact with these guys a couple years ago when I was looking for support for a Klein vs. Ohio-style lawsuit here in IL. The SAF guys were very confident in their cases. Currently they are now damn near bankrupt because of what they spent supporting Emerson, Klein and Bean.

IF SCOTUS hears Silvera, I'm confident they'll uphold the individual rights interpretation, but they'll write in some wiggle room for urbn gun control, just like in Emerson, when the Appealet agreed "reasonal" gun control was ok.
Even if Silvera is a pure win, and ownership and bearing of any weapon is declaredd legal nationwide, Daley will still never accept it. We'll need people suing for false arrest immediately.


CKMorley
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 12:46:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/21/2003 12:48:38 PM EDT by CKMorley]

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
CK, but the question remains, can they legally transport loaded magazines...

Sorry I had to



I hope so......
I started loading mine last night...... 12 USGI 30 rounders and ten 20 rounders
Now I just gotta load 25 Fal mags, several Glock mags, 5 AK mags.......
Assemble my .50......
And clean my damn guns !!!!!

CKMorley
Link Posted: 10/21/2003 1:22:58 PM EDT
I love going to the range, but I hate loading mags there. I am in the same boat as you. I have 20 M-16 magazines to load, 10 FAL mags to load, 10 7.62 AK mags to load, and 10 5.45 AK mags to load. 4 mags for my marlin .17, 4 mags for my 92fs, 6 mags for my HK USP, 4 mags for my 1911, 2 mags for my P22, and 2 mags for my Romak 3.

Thats the one thing I love about my bolt action savage. One mag, slow fire, and its all in the rifle.

Lots of mags...and still buying more. Its a disease.
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