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Posted: 3/25/2006 12:14:16 AM EDT
Just curious to know if you guys support him for governor or not.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 3:23:50 AM EDT
I do and will...
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 6:03:49 AM EDT
He's pro-gun, anti tax and big gubment. He's very bright, something that seems lacking in our current legislature. His last two election parties were held at my office, just to put all the cards on the table
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 8:01:49 AM EDT
I used to work around him at Lake Mead.......

A nice guy.....at least he has ideas to fix problems.....unlike most.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 12:13:23 PM EDT
Ain't never heard of him. Anybody have a webpage or hyperlink?
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 2:34:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 5:21:35 PM EDT
I think Mr. Beers would make a good governor.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 6:07:03 PM EDT
He is interviewed on Frontsight's "Legacy" DVD as a former Frontsight student.
Link Posted: 3/25/2006 11:05:14 PM EDT
I think if he is the 'R' on the ballot, I will vote for him.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:19:06 AM EDT
You shouldn't vote for a person just because he has an (R) next to his name. Doing so just makes you an asshole and ends us up with another ineffectual prick like Bush Jr. representing the United States on the world stage.

Hell, just so long as he's somebody new, he should be elected.

I think everybody should get together and start up a "Re-Elect Nobody" campaign. If the candidate is an incumbent, don't cast your vote for him. If he's held seat before, don't cast your vote for him.

Politics should not be rocket surgery, folks. Every last asshole, be he Republican or Democrat or Socialist or Libertarian should not be Re-Elected, ever.

The entire system needs fresh blood. The country is like a centuries-old vampire, desperate for new ichor. An age cap on politicos needs to be instituted immediately. Once you've hit fifty five, you should be considered Too Fucking Old To Have An Opinion That Matters and be shoved out to pasture. Or better yet, all politicians should have a red gem installed in their hands. Once they've become all old and senile (that is to say, nearing the age where they can collect Social Security), then the black-suited assassins descend from the rafters and retire them with laser fire.

Conversely, the minimum age to entry into the political field should be reduced to eightteen. There are plenty of bright, young individuals who would love to make a difference but find that waiting a bare minimum of three decades to even run for an office that weilds any power whatsoever to be discouraging.

Allowing the entry of younger entrants into the ring will also spur the activity of younger voters. Once the creepy olds see that the kids are out voting in droves, it would spur them to actually put in some effort in and actually get off their liverspotted asses and vote themselves. More voters, believe it or don't, is a good thing folks.

The instant we find ourselves a candidate that promises to overturn the National Firearms Act and the illegal prohibition of narcotics in the United States is a candidate I'll find myself behind 100% This Bob Beers guy, judging by his website and his blog is Just Another Conservative Asshole. Sure, he's for fiscal responsibility, but he's not cool enough to realize that the hero of the Legend of Zelda series is named Link.

We need more twenty year olds in politics.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 12:28:57 AM EDT
"You shouldn't vote for a person just because he has an (R) next to his name........"

Holy Crap!!!!
Someone call Ripleys !!!!! Steve makes 100% sense and I agree with him !!!!!

Link Posted: 3/26/2006 8:19:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MeanSteve:

We need more twenty year olds in politics.



Hmm......20 yr. old politics.

Let's see-

We are in 2006. Twenty years ago was 1986. Yep, that was a GREAT year
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 10:35:13 AM EDT
The man is obviously not qualified to be Governer because he was CPA and can count , budget and knows tax law. We want someone who is gonna help the undocumented workers, bring in more californians, counsel the hurt feelings of criminals ,particularly the violent felons and sex offenders, spend more than we make,legalize drugs, criminalize cigarettes, get gays married, make spanish the state language, restrict and eventually eliminate private firearms ownership, increase emminant domain takeovers of private property for greater public good (Stalin and Hitler are dancing over this crap), sell our water rights out of state, allow uncontrolled growth, hobble law enforcement chase out agriculture and gambling, fight the federal government on any issue not related to state's rights and rollover whenever they threaten to withhold highway money, and then blame the president for everything when it fails.

I agree with about half of what Meansteve said, so that's almost like him being right about something. Where are we gonna get laser wielding assassins? We spent all of our money trying to keep Nevada "nuclear free". I think we should have representatives from all ages, 18 to 180. That is what representation is about.
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 4:04:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gunmonkey:
The man is obviously not qualified to be Governer because he was CPA and can count , budget and knows tax law. We want someone who is gonna help the undocumented workers, bring in more californians, counsel the hurt feelings of criminals ,particularly the violent felons and sex offenders, spend more than we make,legalize drugs, criminalize cigarettes, get gays married, make spanish the state language, restrict and eventually eliminate private firearms ownership, increase emminant domain takeovers of private property for greater public good (Stalin and Hitler are dancing over this crap), sell our water rights out of state, allow uncontrolled growth, hobble law enforcement chase out agriculture and gambling, fight the federal government on any issue not related to state's rights and rollover whenever they threaten to withhold highway money, and then blame the president for everything when it fails.



+1

Sounds to me that Dina TightAss is the best liberal for the job...

Link Posted: 3/26/2006 7:31:20 PM EDT
I forgot to mention, at his rally at my office, he did mention that wanted to "stop the Californication of Nevada."
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 9:16:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chiz45:
I forgot to mention, at his rally at my office, he did mention that wanted to "stop the Californication of Nevada."


Kiss that man on the lips for me!
Link Posted: 3/26/2006 11:06:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 11:06:45 PM EDT by ColSanders]
Who will likely run against him as far as republicans go? Anyone know?
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:26:34 AM EDT
From http://www.politics1.com/nv.htm:

Bob Beers (R) - State Sen. & Accountant
Jim Gibbons (R) - Congressman, Ex-State Assemblyman, Attorney, USAF Veteran & '94 Nominee
Lorraine Hunt (R) - Lt. Governor, Ex-Clark County Commissioner & Banker
Jim Gibson (D) - Henderson Mayor
Leola McConnell (D) - Liberal Activist
Phil Satre (D) - Gaming Executive
Dina Titus (D) - State Senate Minority Leader, College Professor &
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 8:33:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MeanSteve:

I think everybody should get together and start up a "Re-Elect Nobody" campaign. If the candidate is an incumbent, don't cast your vote for him. If he's held seat before, don't cast your vote for him.

Politics should not be rocket surgery, folks. Every last asshole, be he Republican or Democrat or Socialist or Libertarian should not be Re-Elected, ever.



Amen to that!!


Conversely, the minimum age to entry into the political field should be reduced to eightteen. There are plenty of bright, young individuals who would love to make a difference but find that waiting a bare minimum of three decades to even run for an office that weilds any power whatsoever to be discouraging.

Allowing the entry of younger entrants into the ring will also spur the activity of younger voters. Once the creepy olds see that the kids are out voting in droves, it would spur them to actually put in some effort in and actually get off their liverspotted asses and vote themselves. More voters, believe it or don't, is a good thing folks.

We need more twenty year olds in politics.



No... We can let them vote at 18, but I think that we shouldn't let their votes COUNT until they're 30 years old. Their brains still haven't developed yet. Besides that they aren't taught history, or even how to think logically, so when faced with real problems all they do is go off of feelings instead of logic - very scary!
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:35:28 PM EDT
I have one huge problem with him...he is going to go all out to get the TABOR (taxpayer bill of rights) legislation rolling. As a firefighter here in the valley, I can attest to the fact that TABOR would severely hurt the fire departments and to a lesser extent, the PD also ( they just got the huge benefit of the sales tax increase in addition to the normal funding, but they would still be hurt). We are growing too fast to have our hands tied by the strictness of TABOR. It would kill the long term planning/funding of large ticket items like police and fire stations, fire trucks, training facilities, etc. Every fire department in the valley is running more and more calls every day and we are always behind on catching up with growth. We are, I believe, in the bottom 3 or 4 of states as far as tax rates go and Beers thinks we are overtaxed somehow I want more police and fire than any other place on earth because that's what makes for safe communities, gets fires put out quickly and safely and can be the difference between getting Advanced Life Support on-scene in 5 minutes or less for someone who has no pulse (maybe even you or your loved one). This is a selling point for tourism, keeping your home values up and creating communities that you actually want to live and raise kids in. The old saying of you get what you pay for applies here! Flame me all you want and say I have a vested interest here (I do...I live and work here too) but TABOR is a steaming pile of turd. From what I hear, the states that have it are not doing so well. When I don't have to pay state income taxes, my property taxes are still relatively low and I have no local taxes on my pay stub like so many other areas do, I feel like I am getting a pretty fair shake (and our sales tax is still lower than the majority). I also came from California so I have a point of reference. I would love to somehow not pay any taxes but that is obviously not realistic, is it?

Just my .02 cents worth how I see it behind the scenes
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 11:11:56 PM EDT
Voting? Whats that? Isn't that what you do for the singer you like on American Idol?
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 12:16:00 AM EDT
I like that he isn't a tax and spend liberal or RINO. I have to say, the fact that he is so anti-tax is quite refreshing.

We need that to keep us from turning into Kalifornia. I left that damn state for a reason. For freedom. Now's the time to build a fence along the border and patrol stateline.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 8:12:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By diversmith:
...he is going to go all out to get the TABOR (taxpayer bill of rights) legislation rolling. As a firefighter here in the valley, I can attest to the fact that TABOR would severely hurt the fire departments and to a lesser extent, the PD also... ...but TABOR is a steaming pile of turd. From what I hear, the states that have it are not doing so well...



I might be talkin out my ass cuz I really haven't looked at the TABOR, but... If they do enact it, yes there will probably be a drop in funds to fire and pd, but hopefully that will be the impetus to force all agencies/beuaracracies in the state to stop wasting money on BS social programs and personal projects, and start spending it where it's needed. If after some belt tightening we still need $$$ for fire and pd then exceptions may be made.

Maybe I'm living in la-la land, but I still think that there is a chance of stopping waste and pork?!?!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 2:32:55 PM EDT
TABOR will hit state funding......

Never mind the gold mine S. NV has with the major increases in property tax revenue. Of course, the local politicians won't discuss how much extra they really have....

Why do you think that is?
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 6:09:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RDP:
TABOR will hit state funding......

Never mind the gold mine S. NV has with the major increases in property tax revenue. Of course, the local politicians won't discuss how much extra they really have....

Why do you think that is?



And this is exactly what will hurt us!!!!!! Why do you think we don't pay state income tax????? Because the casinos pay it for us and that is a HUGE part of where we get our funding. Put a stranglehold on that state spending and we are not going to be looking good. And don't forget that the property taxes just had the caps placed on them and real estate prices have leveled off. That was probably a one time shot in the arm!


#1 - Do a little research on TABOR and the states that have them and report back what your impressions are.

#2 - Remember that we are at the bottom of the 50 states for lowest tax rates per capita (this is why all of the businesses and people are moving here

#3 - How bad do you really want fire and police responses to be? How bad do you want the roads to be? How much do you want parks, open space, community facilities, etc that all come together to make a safe, desirable place to live and raise a family?

#4 - I can honestly say that the cities and counties almost as a rule of thumb do more with less here and are always playing catch up...to further straddle them with very restrictive legislation would be tantamount to suicide

I am just opposed to cutting off my nose to spite my face

And being born and raised in So Cal and moving here over 6 years ago, I have seen firsthand that we are far from being like California as far as tax and spend goes
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 7:15:00 PM EDT
Well, diversmith, I'm gonna oppose your position since I didn't get the memo saying: The Sky is Falling!!!.......




Originally Posted By diversmith:

And being born and raised in So Cal and moving here over 6 years ago, I have seen firsthand that we are far from being like California as far as tax and spend goes



........and it seems with your your help opening the spigot we'll be well on our way to getting there....
though I suspect more than a few of us are adamently reluctant to make that journey.

Don't know Tabor or anti-Tabor, but with over 15 yrs residence here I'm disgusted with the seeds of Californication that have taken root, and would actually enjoy breakin' out some weed-killer.
I left Liberaland to escape the "tax and spend" business-as-usual crowd........and I'm just as determined.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:13:58 PM EDT
I can't speak for the rest of the state, but I just spent about 2 hours in Douglas County's communication center a few weeks ago, just observing. I have great respect for the guys trying to do it all, but as it is now, I am way more comfortable knowing that when I leave the house my wife is heavily armedand that the equally well armed Gunsap family is 4 houses down. I don't fully understand how the tax issues will affect fire and emergency services, but if it could be any scarier than it is now, then I'd be surprised.
Hopefully if we get taxing and spending under control, then we can prioritize what we spend money on. That would be a refreshing change. And don't even get me started on how poor the roads are...
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 9:56:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 9:57:20 PM EDT by ColSanders]

Originally Posted By gunmonkey:
I can't speak for the rest of the state, but I just spent about 2 hours in Douglas County's communication center a few weeks ago, just observing. I have great respect for the guys trying to do it all, but as it is now, I am way more comfortable knowing that when I leave the house my wife is heavily armedand that the equally well armed Gunsap family is 4 houses down. I don't fully understand how the tax issues will affect fire and emergency services, but if it could be any scarier than it is now, then I'd be surprised.
Hopefully if we get taxing and spending under control, then we can prioritize what we spend money on. That would be a refreshing change. And don't even get me started on how poor the roads are...



Agreed. People depend too much on "others" (like the govt) for help anyways. Learn to deal with some of your own damn problems, you know?
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 10:37:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2006 10:57:07 PM EDT by diversmith]

Originally Posted By citizen2:
Well, diversmith, I'm gonna oppose your position since I didn't get the memo saying: The Sky is Falling!!!.......




Originally Posted By diversmith:

And being born and raised in So Cal and moving here over 6 years ago, I have seen firsthand that we are far from being like California as far as tax and spend goes



........and it seems with your your help opening the spigot we'll be well on our way to getting there....
though I suspect more than a few of us are adamently reluctant to make that journey.

Don't know Tabor or anti-Tabor, but with over 15 yrs residence here I'm disgusted with the seeds of Californication that have taken root, and would actually enjoy breakin' out some weed-killer.
I left Liberaland to escape the "tax and spend" business-as-usual crowd........and I'm just as determined.



citizen2....please go back and re-read my post word for word
How can we "untax" ourselves any more than we already are without the camel's back breaking?

How many services do you want to cut? And which ones? Are you prepared for the consequences? Like the ones I have mentioned previously in this thread?

Please save me the "wanting to stop the Californication of Nevada"!!!!!!!! My purpose here is not to start flaming each other, but where exactly did you come from. Besides the few tens of thousands of real natives we are all transplants I could have taken several job offers with So Cal fire departments since being hired on here, BUT I CHOSE NOT TO GO BACK TO CALI, BUT TO STAY IN NEVADA BECAUSE IT IS LOW TAX AND MY EARNINGS GO MUCH FARTHER
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED HERE

IF IT IS SO BAD, FIND A LOWER TAX PER CAPITA AREA TO MOVE TO AND LET ME KNOW HOW GREAT IT IS
Like I said, before you start flaming, do a little research and let us know what you find out about TABOR

I'm just trying to point out how I see it from the public safety side of the fence and how it WILL affect you!
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 10:54:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ColSanders:

Originally Posted By gunmonkey:
I can't speak for the rest of the state, but I just spent about 2 hours in Douglas County's communication center a few weeks ago, just observing. I have great respect for the guys trying to do it all, but as it is now, I am way more comfortable knowing that when I leave the house my wife is heavily armedand that the equally well armed Gunsap family is 4 houses down. I don't fully understand how the tax issues will affect fire and emergency services, but if it could be any scarier than it is now, then I'd be surprised.
Hopefully if we get taxing and spending under control, then we can prioritize what we spend money on. That would be a refreshing change. And don't even get me started on how poor the roads are...



Agreed. People depend too much on "others" (like the govt) for help anyways. Learn to deal with some of your own damn problems, you know?



ColSanders....I couldn't agree more but don't you think that is a pipe dream? Besides being more responsible for your own personal safety, i.e. CCW's, what do you honestly think people are going to do? Go police the strip themselves? Do CPR on themselves? Carry their own "Jaws of Life" and extricate themselves from wrecks? Drive a pickup with a gurney in the back so they can drive themselves to the hospital? Put out commercial structure fires with garden hoses? Investigate their own car theft cases? Of course not, and all these things cost huge amounts of money and training. These things come from an established baseline of taxes that I think is still pretty reasonable here in Nevada. To try to further cut that is going to have severe consequences that I honestly think none of us want. Our police and fire departments and dispatchers are already shorthanded enough. Do you realize the money it takes to buy new fire trucks and all the equipment that goes on one? Or to build a new fire station. Or update computer programs to quicker serve the people we protect? It is huge, to say the least

We are a metropolitan area dependant upon tourism...we need to have the very best fire and police protection to protect that very tourism that feeds this economy we all enjoy (oh ya, and pays our state income taxes so we don't have to)

Like I have said, I'm not trying to be an a-hole or start flame wars...just trying to open peoples eyes. Like the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for (i.e. rock bottom taxes)
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 5:08:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By diversmith:

Originally Posted By ColSanders:
Agreed. People depend too much on "others" (like the govt) for help anyways. Learn to deal with some of your own damn problems, you know?



ColSanders....I couldn't agree more but don't you think that is a pipe dream? Besides being more responsible for your own personal safety, i.e. CCW's, what do you honestly think people are going to do? Go police the strip themselves? Do CPR on themselves? Carry their own "Jaws of Life" and extricate themselves from wrecks? Drive a pickup with a gurney in the back so they can drive themselves to the hospital? Put out commercial structure fires with garden hoses? Investigate their own car theft cases? Of course not, and all these things cost huge amounts of money and training. These things come from an established baseline of taxes that I think is still pretty reasonable here in Nevada. To try to further cut that is going to have severe consequences that I honestly think none of us want. Our police and fire departments and dispatchers are already shorthanded enough. Do you realize the money it takes to buy new fire trucks and all the equipment that goes on one? Or to build a new fire station. Or update computer programs to quicker serve the people we protect? It is huge, to say the least

We are a metropolitan area dependant upon tourism...we need to have the very best fire and police protection to protect that very tourism that feeds this economy we all enjoy (oh ya, and pays our state income taxes so we don't have to)

Like I have said, I'm not trying to be an a-hole or start flame wars...just trying to open peoples eyes. Like the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for (i.e. rock bottom taxes)



Ahhemm...


I believe what the good Colonel (love yer chicken BTW! ) meant was that we need to rely less on others for such things as free wireless internet, medical care for the people who choose to be poor, multi-lingual ballots, hiring multi-lingual gov't workers, printing all the gov't publications in multiple languages, open space(!!!!!! this is nevada - how much more open can you get???? !!!!!!)
There are many places where we can get spending cuts without hurting what we really do need - which yopu are properly championing for. The elected just need to stop taking our money and wasting it on BS projects. And they never will if we keep voting in bonds for new parks and rec, open space, roads, schools...
Another thing we're screwing up on is the biggest road fixer we could imagine... Tell the Feds that we'll take all their nuke waste.... for a price! A big price! Fix all our roads, get us all new firetrucks, new cops on the beat, etc We got a cash cow and we're letting her walk out the gate!
My 1.76 cents.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 7:02:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By diversmith:
We are a metropolitan area dependant upon tourism...



No, "we" are not. This is a common misconception, that Las Vegas is Nevada. There are umpteen million square acres of statehood, with quite a bit of it actually outside Clark county.
Yes, I agree that as a state we depend on tourism for our survival, but we have had this discussion here before about the importance of Las Vegas' economy. I am still willing to listen if someone can show me how much Las Vegas makes compared to how much it contributes to the rest of the state.
There is a big buzz right now about how rural (that would be that big area on the map outside of Clark County) Nevada's emergency response is the WORST in the Nation. That says to me that we are already in the toilet for spending, it can't get any worse. Maybe if the state spent more time on things like emergency services instead of issueing "citizenship project" license plates, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
I admit I do not have the answers, but I hope everyone will take a less myopic view of the State than trying to frame every issue as Las Vegas'.

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 8:16:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gunmonkey:

Yes, I agree that as a state we depend on tourism for our survival, but we have had this discussion here before about the importance of Las Vegas' economy. I am still willing to listen if someone can show me how much Las Vegas makes compared to how much it contributes to the rest of the state.



I'm new here, but thought I'd take you up on your challenge...at least in part (how much it contributes versus how much it makes and contributes). If I had the time, I would make you a nice map showing tax contributions per county hilighting land that is not government owned (remember, Nevada is over 90% Federal Land), population statistics, or any of the other demographic data that is publically available.

Looking at tax contributions for fiscal year 2004-2005, Clark County contributed over $662 million to the state via the 2% sales tax. The overall contribution of all counties was over $896 million. Clark County contributed over 70% of the money the state takes in for sales tax alone. (Source: Annual Tax Report 2004-2005)

If you really want to see how much Clark County contributes compared to other counties, see Consolidated Tax Report 2005.

For all your taxation questions, see The Nevada Department of Taxation.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 9:41:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Vegas4Runner:

Originally Posted By gunmonkey:

Yes, I agree that as a state we depend on tourism for our survival, but we have had this discussion here before about the importance of Las Vegas' economy. I am still willing to listen if someone can show me how much Las Vegas makes compared to how much it contributes to the rest of the state.



I'm new here, but thought I'd take you up on your challenge...at least in part (how much it contributes versus how much it makes and contributes). If I had the time, I would make you a nice map showing tax contributions per county hilighting land that is not government owned (remember, Nevada is over 90% Federal Land), population statistics, or any of the other demographic data that is publically available.

Looking at tax contributions for fiscal year 2004-2005, Clark County contributed over $662 million to the state via the 2% sales tax. The overall contribution of all counties was over $896 million. Clark County contributed over 70% of the money the state takes in for sales tax alone. (Source: Annual Tax Report 2004-2005)

If you really want to see how much Clark County contributes compared to other counties, see Consolidated Tax Report 2005.

For all your taxation questions, see The Nevada Department of Taxation.



Quick looks shows that Clark gives 73.6% and takes 73.8%
Most of it's wasted though! In all counties!!!
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:16:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By power-plant:

Quick looks shows that Clark gives 73.6% and takes 73.8%hough!



It's somewhat true. As a former federal employee and a current local government employee, I've seen quite a bit of waste over the years. The attitude that we have to get rid of in local government is to spend all the money that they are allotted. That prevailing attitude, if you don't spend it all, you won't get as much the next year, is the primary reason for waste, IMO. It's almost the exact opposite of the private industry. I try my best not to be wasteful when it comes to my area though as that's the least I can do for the public.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 1:54:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 2:08:09 PM EDT by citizen2]
Originally Posted By diversmith:

citizen2....please go back and re-read my post word for word
How can we "untax" ourselves any more than we already are without the camel's back breaking?

....despite my clumsiness,I did just that; and have no intention of flaming you personally. I respect the honorable profession you represent ........although some of your concerns sound like the minions of Liberaland.......
Apparently you have no objection to the candidate in your original post except for his position on a TABOR, and your exposition has only enlightened me to support him and those programs I find appealing ; however (un)successful. Since you climbed the soapbox on that issue I will also, and respond honestly. But unlike you, I refuse to believe the Heavens Will Crash unless we continue unabated taxing and spending. As has been posted by more knowledgeable employees (in THIS thread!) there is significant waste in most gov. budgets, and re-allocation of priorities and spending is a step we need; the basis for a TABOR IIRC. Appealing to tourism, accelerating home value appreciation, and encouraging the invasion of NV by greedy Left Coast gov.tit-sucking opportunists, illegal aliens and the myriad of social-engineering tree-hugging behavioral problems and restrictions they pose are NOT the functions of Gov as I see it.....makes one wonder how residents kept the Sky from Falling 'til these HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (your words) showed up. (over 40% of new residents here are from there, last I read....)
NO gov is perfect and throwing more money at it fails to guarantee improvement.
Municipal Services (Fire, PD, etc) will get along just fine. School system is ALREADY a joke, and ambulance service in ANY metro area is usually abused by those funding it the least.....
So, remind me, again; why must I be inclined to avoid restrictions on taxes to fund those endeavors I am least likely to benefit from, and specifically what the consequences are (your words)......

Your position is typical of recent emigrants, but not reflective of traditional NV pioneer thinking; the apppeal of which is what brought ME here(from up-and-down the East Coast). I'll continue to endeavor in that spirit, and hope you can join me in resisting some of the siren songs of modern, urban solutions(more money!) and the bureaucracies they spawn to maintain them.
(Although unfortunately lower taxes serves to create an even greater magnet for the abusers.....which is why there are such places as CA, NY, MA, etc)
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 7:38:18 PM EDT
Diversmith, im sorry but you should just stop. I agree with you, but you will never get one of these guys to agree with you. Its the plain and simple fact, that the gun lovers of nevada are sooo right wing, that anything mentioning taxes help is like blood in the water.

Tabor is the biggest peice of crap bill, its not even funny. Colorado had a bill that Beer's TABOR bill is based off. Colorados bill was thought to be great, but as soon as it could be voted out, it was because of how bad it cut spending to schools, police, fire, hospitals, everything. Some people here wont care, cause they only see that some money goes to projects that fail, so all money is wasted. Nevermind the fact that we have some of the best police officers, and fire department personel in the country because they all spend to much money on new trucks and new cars.

Nevada doesnt have income tax because the state taxes the Casinos for the biggest percentage of the population. But then when we actually get a surplus, the nevada republicans would rather spend 5 million dollars to spend nevada money to Utah to have refund checks printed for every car registration. Thats on top of the refund cash, so it cost us money. Dont see themn complaining about sending nevada money to other states, when they could have paid a local company to do the same thing. That would have kept nevada money here.

That was done instead of putting the money in a savings account incase we have a major budget problem like we did after 9/11. Nope, cant put the money to help other programs like building more jails, or putting more cops on the street. Cause everyone wants there 30-400 bucks back.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:18:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By power-plant:

Originally Posted By diversmith:

Originally Posted By ColSanders:
Agreed. People depend too much on "others" (like the govt) for help anyways. Learn to deal with some of your own damn problems, you know?



ColSanders....I couldn't agree more but don't you think that is a pipe dream? Besides being more responsible for your own personal safety, i.e. CCW's, what do you honestly think people are going to do? Go police the strip themselves? Do CPR on themselves? Carry their own "Jaws of Life" and extricate themselves from wrecks? Drive a pickup with a gurney in the back so they can drive themselves to the hospital? Put out commercial structure fires with garden hoses? Investigate their own car theft cases? Of course not, and all these things cost huge amounts of money and training. These things come from an established baseline of taxes that I think is still pretty reasonable here in Nevada. To try to further cut that is going to have severe consequences that I honestly think none of us want. Our police and fire departments and dispatchers are already shorthanded enough. Do you realize the money it takes to buy new fire trucks and all the equipment that goes on one? Or to build a new fire station. Or update computer programs to quicker serve the people we protect? It is huge, to say the least

We are a metropolitan area dependant upon tourism...we need to have the very best fire and police protection to protect that very tourism that feeds this economy we all enjoy (oh ya, and pays our state income taxes so we don't have to)

Like I have said, I'm not trying to be an a-hole or start flame wars...just trying to open peoples eyes. Like the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for (i.e. rock bottom taxes)



Ahhemm...


I believe what the good Colonel (love yer chicken BTW! ) meant was that we need to rely less on others for such things as free wireless internet, medical care for the people who choose to be poor, multi-lingual ballots, hiring multi-lingual gov't workers, printing all the gov't publications in multiple languages, open space(!!!!!! this is nevada - how much more open can you get???? !!!!!!)
There are many places where we can get spending cuts without hurting what we really do need - which yopu are properly championing for. The elected just need to stop taking our money and wasting it on BS projects. And they never will if we keep voting in bonds for new parks and rec, open space, roads, schools...
Another thing we're screwing up on is the biggest road fixer we could imagine... Tell the Feds that we'll take all their nuke waste.... for a price! A big price! Fix all our roads, get us all new firetrucks, new cops on the beat, etc We got a cash cow and we're letting her walk out the gate!
My 1.76 cents.




Precisely. I completely agree, on every account.
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 11:39:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 11:42:11 PM EDT by citizen2]
My mind is not closed on this TABOR thing, Hell; just the opposite, I'm willing to learn about the warts and all. And perhaps our elected officials DO misspend dollars sometimes, unfortunately. That DMV refund was concocted on BOTH sides of the aisle, so no party is superior.......and as far as building more jails, that only encourages that circular logic feeding the tax and spend mentality.

Bigedmond you raise some interesting points, including the oblique reference to the NV Constitution barring a State Income Tax. I've previously resided in such a State, and it is - no more (that way).....inevitable because of all the social programs enacted by Liberals requiring additional funding; they now realize they got what they asked for and I got out. Colorado was an early adopter of a Beta-version of a TABOR, I "bet" NV will do better (pun intended).
There are some American euphanisms regarded as cliche's, only 'cause they work......"If it ain't broke, don't fix it", "I'll believe it when I see it", "You can't fight City Hall", "We're from the gov. and we're here to help you", "There oughta be a law".... And my own, "I'll believe the Sky is Falling when it hits me in the head". Oh, and "Those who fail to remember History are doomed to repeat it"(American?).
So, there's ALWAYS been "blood in the water", at least since The Boston Tea Party.........some "History" worth remembering; the earliest TABOR of them all.

ETA: I'm rarely this verbose and regret taking this thread so far adrift......won't happen again.
Link Posted: 4/4/2006 11:50:54 AM EDT
What did TABOR do for Colorado?
In the decade after TABOR was enacted, Colorado’s job growth surged at almost double the rate of the previous ten years. Here are some other facts:
•Since it passed TABOR, Colorado’s economy was consistently ranked #1 in the nation by the American Enterprise Institute.
•Prior to TABOR, government jobs were growing at a rate of 21% and private sector jobs were growing at 17%. After TABOR, government jobs grew at the same rate (by 20%) and the rate of private sector job growth almost doubled (by an astounding 37%).

Opponents and special interests argued that TABOR would put government on a “starvation diet.”

In the TABOR years of 1993-2002, however, Colorado actually increased state spending by 64 percent—a rate that’s hardly “starvation”. In the last year alone, Colorado’s state spending increased by 7 percent.

www.tasc4nevada.com/faq.html _____________________________________________________________________________________
Got an e-mail in to Beers about his stance on my two key issues - abortion and gun control. Anyone running who is for either wont get my vote - period.
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