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Posted: 12/13/2005 7:22:24 AM EDT
Anyone able to explain the CCW rules for NLV to me.

I see on the Packing website that NLV has a law about offensive weapons in vehicals etc how does this effect CCW holders.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 8:28:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 8:37:24 AM EDT by DARKMAKER]
9.32.040 Dangerous or deadly weapon defined.

The term "dangerous or deadly weapons" includes, but is not limited to, any dirk or dagger; any knife with a blade three inches or more in length, and any snap-blade or spring-blade knife, regardless of the length of the blade; any ice pick or similar sharp stabbing tool; any straight edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle; any dangerous or deadly weapon within the meaning of any law of this state restricting the use thereof; and any cutting, stabbing, or bludgeoning weapon or device capable of inflicting grievous bodily harm; and any firearm other than (a) one carried pursuant to a valid permit, issued by a duly authorized government authority, or (b) an ordinary rifle or shotgun lawfully carried for purposes of hunting or other lawful sport. (Prior code § 7.22.040)

9.32.050 Person with concealed weapon not to loiter.

It is unlawful for any person, while carrying concealed upon his person any dangerous or deadly weapon, to loaf or loiter upon any public street, sidewalk or alley, or to wander about from place to place with no lawful business thereby to perform, or to hide, lurk, or loiter upon or about the premises of another. It is unlawful for any person who has concealed upon his person any dangerous or deadly weapon to loiter about any place where intoxicating liquors are sold or any other place of public resort. (Prior code § 7.22.050)

9.32.060 Person with concealed weapon not to be disorderly.

It is unlawful for any person who has concealed upon his person or who has in his immediate physical possession any dangerous or deadly weapon to engage in any fight or to participate in any rough or disorderly conduct or to participate in any other rough or disorderly conduct upon any public place or way or upon the premises of another. (Prior code § 7.22.060)

they have gun registration also, so have your gun reg. card with you as well.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 9:12:40 AM EDT
Is that from NLV code if so we need to let Packing have it
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 10:47:23 AM EDT
Yes it's North Las Vegas Code. if you click on the north las vegas link above their posting of the muni. code of transporting in a vehicle, then click weapons generally at the top it will take you to the other municipal codes. so i think they may have it.
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 11:36:18 AM EDT
Thanks for that, so reading that it would appear that you can use CCW but not transport handguns other than that even for sporting use
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 1:34:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pedro66:
Is that from NLV code if so we need to let Packing have it



You should do your own homework and not rely on information contained on a web site on the internet.

If you haven't done so yet take a CCW course. If the course is worth its salt you will receive all the legal do's and don'ts including where you can obtain information such as the NLV CCW laws. Once you have the resources you can update yourself periodically and be on top of it.

If you have any real concerns about the use of Deadly Force, once again do not rely on what you see/read on the internet. Consult with a competent criminal defense attorney. Write down all of your questions ahead of time BEFORE you consult with him/her. Consulting with an attorney regarding the use of force and other issues related to CCW carry rights and responsibilities will be the best $200.00 you can spend.

Hope this helps.

Joe
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 1:53:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 1:54:02 PM EDT by pedro66]
Yes I have done the CCW course and am well aware of the issues, However the instructor was unable to fully explain the interpritation of the NLV law
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 2:17:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 2:36:46 PM EDT
No it was me not grasping that part of the info, the class was indeed very informative but you know when months down the line that one piece of info just escapes you
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 2:50:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 3:14:00 PM EDT
Thanks Wolfpack that clears that up. While we are on the subject of CCW anyone recomend a range that just does the shooting qualification I need to add some hand guns.

Most seem to want you to jump through hoops I just want to go and shoot 2 guns)
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 4:48:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2005 4:49:05 PM EDT by Wolfpack]
Link Posted: 12/13/2005 7:04:23 PM EDT
I am a cfp instructor, and the research has been done, if you go to GMJ.com the link to North Las Vegas's municipal codes are there and it is the official North Las Vegas web site, thats were i got the info from otherwise it was very difficult to find, in my opinion ( thanks Jim).
e- mail me if interested and i can qualify you, for your new firearms.
Link Posted: 12/21/2005 8:57:01 PM EDT
My buddy is a NLV LEO and he states that honoring the CCW in NLV is per officer discretion. I personally witnessed this train-of-thought with another NLV officer during a traffic stop when the citizen had position of a blue carded handgun and appropriate CCW. The officer gave the citizen hell for carrying concealed. All I’m saying is that, right or wrong, these NLV LE’s think that honoring the CCW is their decision. I have not personally read the NLV codes but it sounds like the code says one thing and the officers are being instructed otherwise.

Not much deference between Comi-fornia and Clark County now huh?
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 6:54:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:04:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gixxerguy:
My buddy is a NLV LEO and he states that honoring the CCW in NLV is per officer discretion.


Ask your buddy if he understands the consequences of acting under color of law.

While it may not be the brightest thing to do, I fully intend on bestowing a piece of my mind to the officer who tries that crap.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 11:19:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Southern_Raider:

Originally Posted By gixxerguy:
My buddy is a NLV LEO and he states that honoring the CCW in NLV is per officer discretion.


Ask your buddy if he understands the consequences of acting under color of law.

While it may not be the brightest thing to do, I fully intend on bestowing a piece of my mind to the officer who tries that crap.



It's called a 42 U.S.C. § 1983 violation
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 7:39:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
I am in CPANN and know alot of NLV officers...none that I have ever met are anti-CCW.



Perhaps none of the NLV officers are, "anti-CCW" towards you because the KNOW you. They do not know me or Joe Blow from Adam and we would get treated differently. I have had my experiences with NLV as a PR and as a victim of crime and unfortunatly not many have been, what I would determine, acceptable experiences due to officer attitude/rudeness.

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 9:30:07 PM EDT
from my recollection taking the CWP course in Las Vegas, it is a weird thing.

even though the CWP is issued by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, which is the Sheriff's Office of Clark County, their CWP is not valid in North Las Vegas.

i think there is even some sort of exception to carrying firearms in Boulder City.

all i know is it is a huge pain in the butt to carry concealed in Nevada. i have my CWP from when i lived there, but even when i go there for SHOT Show, i don't really think about carrying my firearm there and back on the plane due to inconveniences at the airport (waiting in line to declare your firearm vs. just carrying everything on the plane and checking in at a kiosk). last year's SHOT show i had a Nevada CWP and didn't even carry. you can't even carry legally inside the Las Vegas Convention Center, there are restrictive signs at every entrance.

anyway, i can dig out my Nevada Firearms law book out if you want me to.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:29:08 PM EDT
The Sheriff of the county you live in issues your permit however it is a STATE permit and the little communist townships like NLV and Boulder City have no authority to deny you the right to carry if you have a permit. If you don't have a permit they can screw you to the wall. Treat those places like California. They can hug nuts.
Link Posted: 12/24/2005 1:48:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2005 1:49:52 AM EDT by DefensorForskin]
North Las Vegas is a boil on the ass of humanity. Im so glad I moved out of there. I got pulled over by an NLV cop on Lake Mead just down from Texas Station because I had only my running lights on. My mistake. I had just left a brightly lit parking garage and I was driving a new vehicle and not real familiar withthe controls yet. I first saw the officer approach my vehicle and then turn back to go to his vehicle. Next thing I see are two more units pull up and assume cover. The officer finally comes back up to the car and then starts grilling me about having weapons in the car. I asked him why he thought I had weapons in the car and why he stopped me. The officer stated that its common for drunks to not turn on their head lights. Thats understandable. Im an SP and I look for that same thing I told him. Then I asked why he wanted to know if I had weapons in the car. The officer replied that he saw the NRA sticker in the back window. Oh what a sure fire sign! Im sure all the gangbangers in his town all have NRA stickers. I think the guy was fishing for something more once he realized that I wasnt drunk and just out for a movie. Im not bashing cops but I think that shit was pretty thin. Almost every contact with NLV cops that Ive had, Ive never been impressed with their officers. Yes I understand NLV is a high crime area, and their officers are in alot of potetnial danger at any moment, but their officers need to realize that not everyone they run across is a gold capped tooth gang banger.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:05:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 7:08:48 AM EDT by Terryreno]

Originally Posted By spreadfirearms:
from my recollection taking the CWP course in Las Vegas, it is a weird thing.

even though the CWP is issued by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, which is the Sheriff's Office of Clark County, their CWP is not valid in North Las Vegas

anyway, i can dig out my Nevada Firearms law book out if you want me to.....




Somebody that knows more than me on this subject please comment. AGAIN I live in NLV and carry all the time with my CCW

Don't you live over here also WP??
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 8:36:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 11:03:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 11:04:03 AM EDT by Southern_Raider]

Originally Posted By spreadfirearms:
all i know is it is a huge pain in the butt to carry concealed in Nevada.


That is a really curious comment. The only real restictions on carry are schools, Federal property, airports and public (i.e. government) buildings that are marked. The convention center is county property and they mark it, so it's off limits.

I find it much less restrictive than carrying in many Southern states, with their Baptist influenced "no carry in establishments where alcohol is served" laws.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:27:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 1:40:35 PM EDT by gixxerguy]
Correct me if wrong, but my understanding is that private businesses can not prohibit concealed carry on their premises in Nevada. For example, Bass Pro Shops, a business which is "Open to the Public" in Vegas, has posted the entrance to their store with, "No Firearms Allowed."

The last time I researched this topic was years ago and concluded that such postings by business owners was an untested statute and a violation of a persons civil rights under the law.

Can someone else offer better information on this? Can we carry into businesses such as Bass Pro Shops? And if not, what are the consequences if we do?

(It’s funny to me that a business that sells firearms and firearm accessories would slam its own customers by instituting such a policy. I have only shopped at the Bass Pro Shops one time and I will not return as a customer again due to this policy)
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 1:38:14 PM EDT
My understanding from when I did my course with Jim was that if a business so decides it can ban firearms from its premises if it wants by posting signs to that effect.

However if they find you carring in that premises they can only ask you to leave, if you refuse then it becomes tresspass.
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 7:29:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pedro66:
My understanding from when I did my course with Jim was that if a business so decides it can ban firearms from its premises if it wants by posting signs to that effect.

However if they find you carring in that premises they can only ask you to leave, if you refuse then it becomes tresspass.



+1
Link Posted: 12/25/2005 10:24:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2005 10:26:29 PM EDT by spreadfirearms]

Originally Posted By Terryreno:

Originally Posted By spreadfirearms:
from my recollection taking the CWP course in Las Vegas, it is a weird thing.

even though the CWP is issued by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, which is the Sheriff's Office of Clark County, their CWP is not valid in North Las Vegas

anyway, i can dig out my Nevada Firearms law book out if you want me to.....




Somebody that knows more than me on this subject please comment. AGAIN I live in NLV and carry all the time with my CCW

Don't you live over here also WP??



here is the link i found:
ordlink.com/codes/nolasvegas/_DATA/TITLE09/Chapter_9_32_WEAPONS_GENERALLY/9_32_010_Concealed_weapon_proh.html

it states:
"9.32.010 Concealed weapon prohibited--Allowed with permit.

No person, except a peace officer, shall wear or in any manner carry concealed upon his person any loaded or unloaded gun, pistol or revolver, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon permitted to be carried by law without having, at the same time, actually in his possession, and upon his person, an unexpired permit to do so issued by the chief of police. (Prior code § 7.22.010)"

So you need a permit issued by their Chief of Police of the North Las Vegas PD? how stupid is that.

for clarificaiton about how it is a pain in the butt to carry in NV for me, it is not carrying in general while i'm there, its getting the gun through the idiots at the airport who don't know firearms laws.

i'll admit, its cool that you can pack legally in the casinos. JUST DON'T LET THEM SEE IT. i used to work at the MGM. they said if they find someone with a valid CCW they will escort you and your gun off property and if you refuse to leave they will arrest you for trespassing.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 7:31:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gixxerguy:
Correct me if wrong, but my understanding is that private businesses can not prohibit concealed carry on their premises in Nevada. For example, Bass Pro Shops, a business which is "Open to the Public" in Vegas, has posted the entrance to their store with, "No Firearms Allowed."

The last time I researched this topic was years ago and concluded that such postings by business owners was an untested statute and a violation of a persons civil rights under the law.


While some states allow private property owners to create "felony zones" for CCW holders, NV is not one of them. The sign posted is simply the wishes of the owner. If discovered, the worst they can do is ask you to leave, and if you refuse, then it becomes a trespass issue.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 7:36:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/26/2005 7:40:08 AM EDT by Southern_Raider]

Originally Posted By spreadfirearms:
here is the link i found:
ordlink.com/codes/nolasvegas/_DATA/TITLE09/Chapter_9_32_WEAPONS_GENERALLY/9_32_010_Concealed_weapon_proh.html

it states:
"9.32.010 Concealed weapon prohibited--Allowed with permit.

No person, except a peace officer, shall wear or in any manner carry concealed upon his person any loaded or unloaded gun, pistol or revolver, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon permitted to be carried by law without having, at the same time, actually in his possession, and upon his person, an unexpired permit to do so issued by the chief of police. (Prior code § 7.22.010)"

So you need a permit issued by their Chief of Police of the North Las Vegas PD? how stupid is that.


That's a very interesting link. Unfortunately, what is missing is the date the ordinance is passed. If it is old enough, it may predate NV preemption laws and be grandfathered in, thus creating a dual permit system in NLV. If it's more recent, it flys in the face of NV preemption and is a Null and Void law.

Anyone have an idea? NV preemption was enacted in 1989.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:13:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Southern_Raider:

Originally Posted By spreadfirearms:
here is the link i found:
ordlink.com/codes/nolasvegas/_DATA/TITLE09/Chapter_9_32_WEAPONS_GENERALLY/9_32_010_Concealed_weapon_proh.html

it states:
"9.32.010 Concealed weapon prohibited--Allowed with permit.

No person, except a peace officer, shall wear or in any manner carry concealed upon his person any loaded or unloaded gun, pistol or revolver, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon permitted to be carried by law without having, at the same time, actually in his possession, and upon his person, an unexpired permit to do so issued by the chief of police. (Prior code § 7.22.010)"

So you need a permit issued by their Chief of Police of the North Las Vegas PD? how stupid is that.


That's a very interesting link. Unfortunately, what is missing is the date the ordinance is passed. If it is old enough, it may predate NV preemption laws and be grandfathered in, thus creating a dual permit system in NLV. If it's more recent, it flys in the face of NV preemption and is a Null and Void law.

Anyone have an idea? NV preemption was enacted in 1989.



The important link was posted earlier by DARKMAKER:


9.32.040 Dangerous or deadly weapon defined.

The term "dangerous or deadly weapons" includes, but is not limited to, any dirk or dagger; any knife with a blade three inches or more in length, and any snap-blade or spring-blade knife, regardless of the length of the blade; any ice pick or similar sharp stabbing tool; any straight edge razor or any razor blade fitted to a handle; any dangerous or deadly weapon within the meaning of any law of this state restricting the use thereof; and any cutting, stabbing, or bludgeoning weapon or device capable of inflicting grievous bodily harm; and any firearm other than (a) one carried pursuant to a valid permit, issued by a duly authorized government authority, or (b) an ordinary rifle or shotgun lawfully carried for purposes of hunting or other lawful sport. (Prior code § 7.22.040)



Since a handgun on your permit is exempted as a dangerous weapon by city ordinance, it can't be considered a dangerous or deadly wepon if carried in your vehicle.

As to the CCW issued by the Chief of Police, when the "shall issue" law was passed in 1995, it gave the County Sheriff sole authority to issue CCW permit in his county. Since there was no "grandfather" clause in the bill for Chiefs of Police, they lost their ability to issue permits.

A complete summary of the 1995 bill is available as a PDF file here. It's a big file (197 pages) so it may take some time to download.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:36:57 AM EDT
So that being the case I thnk we have exhausted the NLV issue and all agree that with a valid CCW in NLV you are good to go regardless of any local LEO's opinion. So then how is Boulder able to enforce it's ban?
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:42:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:51:06 AM EDT
When I did my course with Jim I am pretty sure that it was put to me that getting caught in bolder with a concealed weapon was not good. I am sure I will get corrected if I am wrong, maybe the story I was told was not about a CCW holder but just a citizen with a loaded weapon in the vehicle getting stopped.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:54:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 8:55:31 AM EDT
7-1-3: Discharging Firearms, Air Guns:
No person except a sheriff, constable or police officer shall fire or discharge any firearms or air guns of any description within one thousand (1,000) yards of any building, street, sidewalk, alley, highway or other public place or have any firearms or air gun in his possession within one thousand (1,000) yards of any building, street, sidewalk, alley, highway or public place unless it is unloaded and knocked down or enclosed within a carrying case; provided, that this Section shall not prevent the maintenance and use of duly supervised rifle or pistol ranges or shooting galleries authorized by the City Council. This Section shall not prohibit the stocking of firearms by duly authorized dealers in the same.

If you read the above from Packing.org you will see there is no exemption for CCW

Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:01:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pedro66:
So that being the case I thnk we have exhausted the NLV issue and all agree that with a valid CCW in NLV you are good to go regardless of any local LEO's opinion. So then how is Boulder able to enforce it's ban?



For those that have been living in a cave :


7-1-3: DISCHARGING FIREARMS, AIR GUNS:

No person except a sheriff, constable or police officer shall fire or discharge any firearms or air guns of any description within one thousand (1,000) yards of any building, street, sidewalk, alley, highway or other public place or have any firearms or air gun in his possession within one thousand (1,000) yards of any building, street, sidewalk, alley, highway or public place unless it is unloaded and knocked down or enclosed within a carrying case; provided, that this Section shall not prevent the maintenance and use of duly supervised rifle or pistol ranges or shooting galleries authorized by the City Council. This Section shall not prohibit the stocking of firearms by duly authorized dealers in the same. (Ord. 28, 1-3-1960, eff. 1-4-1960)



This ordinance has been enforced against a few people that have had a loaded handgun in their vehicle without a permit. In one case the fine was over $450 (the gun was returned after the fine was paid). To my knowledge, no one has been cited if they have a valid CCW. It probably won't be resolved until someone with a permit gets cited, pleads not guilty, and takes it to trial.
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:04:32 AM EDT
See Jim's teachings did stick
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:08:50 AM EDT
So Jim are the BC guys sending CCW holders on their way with a warning?
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 9:13:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:

Originally Posted By pedro66:
When I did my course with Jim I am pretty sure that it was put to me that getting caught in bolder with a concealed weapon was not good. I am sure I will get corrected if I am wrong, maybe the story I was told was not about a CCW holder but just a citizen with a loaded weapon in the vehicle getting stopped.




If you have a CCW and you are carrying the gun listed you are good to go anywhere in the state as long as it is not listed such as schools, courts and such.



Counties and municipalities may enact laws that tighten state laws, but cannot loosen them. This is why gaming is legal anywhere in Nevada except Boulder City. It's also why prostitution is not legal in Clark and Washoe Counties, and may become illegal in Nye County if their population ever exceeds 400,000.

The "no guns" law was in the original Boulder City Charter, enacted in 1960, and was grandfathered by the 1989 pre-emption law. Whether or not it would pass muster if challenged has not been determined.

Who want to be the test case??
Link Posted: 12/26/2005 10:47:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pedro66:
So Jim are the BC guys sending CCW holders on their way with a warning?


The BCPD Officers that I've talked to won't cite you if you have a valid NV permit, and the gun is on your permit.
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