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Posted: 7/18/2003 10:37:18 PM EDT
I'm from NYC, and they simply don't let us have any handguns. But I am allowed to have a Black powder revolver, as long as I don't have any ammo.
Question is, would I be able to qualify in Nevada using this revolver? See, while I can get a CCW licence for Nevada, it's of no use to me without a handgun. And since I can't buy a handgun (legally), this is my only solution.
So, has anyone done this, or am I simply SOL?
Link Posted: 7/18/2003 10:58:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/18/2003 11:00:52 PM EDT by 45calmike]

Originally Posted By Konstable:
I'm from NYC, and they simply don't let us have any handguns. But I am allowed to have a Black powder revolver, as long as I don't have any ammo.
Question is, would I be able to qualify in Nevada using this revolver? See, while I can get a CCW licence for Nevada, it's of no use to me without a handgun. And since I can't buy a handgun (legally), this is my only solution.
So, has anyone done this, or am I simply SOL?



Please tell me you're kidding !!!! Aside from the wierd looks when you get your weapons inspected before CCW class, and not being a tactically sound choice... I guess so. Qualifiying would be a bitch. Here's the scenerio:

3 yds: load, fire 6 shots strong hand
reload, fire 6 shots weak hand
all under 60 sec.

7 yds: same scenerio but you can do 2 handed

15 yds: same as 7 yds.

What do you mean you legally can't buy a handgun? You can't pass NICS? I remember CCW applications and approvals was skyrockting in NYC after 9/11. Besides, your CCW won't be good in NY, unless you are planning to move here. Remember, in Nevada, it is Serial number, Model number, and type specific. That means in Nevada, if you qualify with a semi auto, you are limited to carry that exact one. Unlike other states (such as UT) where it is only type specific (i.e. revolver or semi auto) in which case you can carry ANY revolver or semi auto as long as you qualified for it.

Ask an expert, I'm not one. I answered this to the best of my knowledge.

What are you trying to accomplish here?

Link Posted: 7/19/2003 8:57:49 AM EDT
that sux.

why not have a REAL pistol here, stored here, for NV CCW? i thought frontsight had onsight storage. as for NV, i thought they did away with the timed portion?
Link Posted: 7/19/2003 9:10:34 AM EDT
chiz,

i took it on june 05 at the gun store on tropicana...i heard they did away with the timed portion as well. but apparently the gun store still does it.
Link Posted: 7/19/2003 9:46:38 AM EDT
I had heard that Nevada did away with the serial #, model #, etc. so that you could carry any gun you wanted. Is that true or are you still limited to what ever is on your permit????????????
Link Posted: 7/19/2003 11:20:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2003 11:21:16 AM EDT by BroncoGlenn]

Originally Posted By paraord16:
I had heard that Nevada did away with the serial #, model #, etc. so that you could carry any gun you wanted. Is that true or are you still limited to what ever is on your permit????????????



They used to have a two gun limit per CCW card that was done away with. Perhaps this is what you were thinking of?
Link Posted: 7/19/2003 5:07:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BroncoGlenn:

Originally Posted By paraord16:
I had heard that Nevada did away with the serial #, model #, etc. so that you could carry any gun you wanted. Is that true or are you still limited to what ever is on your permit????????????



They used to have a two gun limit per CCW card that was done away with. Perhaps this is what you were thinking of?



I took advantage of the two at a time qualification. Although there is no limit to how many firearms you can CCW, I am not sure how much CCW Detail charges for adding each additional firearm after the initial two on your card.
Link Posted: 7/19/2003 7:40:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 45calmike:

Originally Posted By BroncoGlenn:

Originally Posted By paraord16:
I had heard that Nevada did away with the serial #, model #, etc. so that you could carry any gun you wanted. Is that true or are you still limited to what ever is on your permit????????????



They used to have a two gun limit per CCW card that was done away with. Perhaps this is what you were thinking of?




I took advantage of the two at a time qualification. Although there is no limit to how many firearms you can CCW, I am not sure how much CCW Detail charges for adding each additional firearm after the initial two on your card.




You gotta like Idaho. No guns listed on CWL. Carry what ever you want that day.

PS. In about 16 hours I'll be in Nevada, to bad you don't recognize Idaho permits.

I hope all you appreciate me donating my hard earned money to your government, after its been filtered through a casino.
Link Posted: 7/19/2003 8:04:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/19/2003 8:09:20 PM EDT by Konstable]

Originally Posted By 45calmike:

What do you mean you legally can't buy a handgun? You can't pass NICS? I remember CCW applications and approvals was skyrockting in NYC after 9/11.

What are you trying to accomplish here?



You guys have no idea how repressed NYC is(not just us, jersey,cali,detroit, few others). We're not shall-issue, so we have to demonstrate "Need" (Self-defense is not acceptable) for CCW. We can't even declare that we want one for HOME defense. It will get denied! We have to state "Target". Even at that, it takes well over 6 months, which as of late is being extended another 6. And it costs almost $350 for the application process (Pass or fail). Even after all of that, you have to get a permit just to purchase. So people approved for target that come back with a derringer are denied.

I certainly pass NICS. That's not the problem. They just won't let you purchase a handgun without a permit (which they don't issue either).I do nics all the time for rifles.(which we need a permit for, so I simply keep mine in my fathers house in Nassau county outside the city)

Yes, there was a very marked increase in applications after 9/11. Followed by the worst case of denials ever. (Yes, all that $350 per person in the cities pockets). Whereas many states are becoming more shall-issue, NY is working on banning all .50's and larger (Shot guns fall into this catagorie).

What am I trying to accomplish? Good question. Not much, I simply want to use my gun.I know I can't use it in NY, but I'll be damned if my state prevents me from using it anywhere else.I will keep it ammoless, and buy the ammo outside NY.

I planned on doing "The Gun Store" CCW class and getting Florida and Utah at the same time. With Utah I can go to PA (About 2 hours and lots of tolls from here) and plink all I want. (Not to mention simply carry.) Is it rediculous to drive 2 states away to enjoy firearms, you bet. NY sucks, we can't smoke in anyones workplace (even bars, poolhalls, ect). And the one that pisses me off is no cell phones while driving. Welcome to my world!!!
Link Posted: 7/19/2003 10:04:21 PM EDT
Damn, Konstable, didn't know you guys back east had it so rough. I didn't mean to sound alike an a**hole, I've been to NY city and I know you guys have enough of 'em to go around!!! =) By all means come over to NV and get your CCW, just not with a black powder gun! There are plenty of places where you can purchase in town and go for your CCW. If you have relatives or friends here you can store it at their place (with all precautions taken, of course). I will be submitting my UT and FL permits soon and I know FL opens a lot of states up for CCW. Good Luck.
Link Posted: 7/21/2003 8:51:37 AM EDT
Thanks 45CalMike. I understand your reaction, very few people know what we have to go through. But you did bring up a good point. I will get NV CCW, but with semi. (Probably 92F and a good old 1911). Since it's the Florida CCW that lets me have PA, then it doesn't matter what I qualify with.

If the test is timed, there is no way I can load 12 shots and fire in under a minute.(Maybe if I prepack the powder charge, and prewrap the balls.) Under 4 seconds per load,I don't think so.

Anyways, I'm gonna go for it. Thanks for all your help guys. Hopefully, this story I read about the Bradford Metcalf trial (On today's AR homepage) will open new doors for us all.

Just remember to cherich the freedom you guys have out west. At the very least put up a good fight when they try to ban cell phones and driving. Look what happened to us. =)
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 3:49:28 PM EDT
Konstable, one of the problems you might run into with your charcoal burner at the Trop. Gun Store is their lead policy. Basically no exposed lead on the bullet's base is allowed. Could create a problem unless you are shooting some sabots.

Link Posted: 7/26/2003 7:49:49 PM EDT
Yeah, those Gun Store guys! Following OSHA in this case, is a good thing!
Link Posted: 7/27/2003 3:53:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/27/2003 4:00:04 PM EDT by Konstable]
No exposed lead? The madness!! I've never tried the sabbots tho, round ball for me. Got that cray western motif going on here(remember, not by choice). Are the Sabbots any good? I guess anythings better than round ball.

I'm still pondering about using my good old smokepipe. 45CalMike stated that it's 6 shots, reload,6 shots. My 1858 Rem. has 6 shots, no problem, and I assume that I can simply have a second packed cylinder ready for reload. But I was also looking into getting a North American Arms "Companion", which is a 5 shot .22 cal black podwder. (that's right, .22 in BP) which got me thinking... how do you guys qualify with less than 6 shot revolvers? (and others, like derringers and stuff?)

Alas, this whole city hall shooting incident just might be my last straw. They're vowing to enact stickter gun laws (Is that possible?). If they even think of banning BlackPowder possesion, I'm outta here. I heard PA is $26 photo permit, and class 3 NFA. It's like Nevada but only 2 hours from NYC. Hell I drive 1 1/2 hours to work, what's another 1/2?

45CalMike, I hate to sound like a complete idiot, but what the heck is OSHA? hinking.gif
Link Posted: 7/27/2003 7:53:09 PM EDT
As for the use of the sabot rounds, you'll just have to give them a try. General consensus is that the modern style black powder guns like them such as the Knight disk rifles, whereas others like plain-old round ball.

But that's just what I've heard, no first hand experience in it.
Link Posted: 7/27/2003 10:57:25 PM EDT
Konstable,

If you shoot with a gun with less than 6 rounds then your maximum qualifiying score is handicapped to make up for it. All you need, really is to pass 70%- just hit the black silhouette.

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