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Posted: 3/15/2006 12:32:56 PM EDT
A little information about my situation, I live on the east side of Milwaukee, and park my vehicle on the street.
I am having the problem of being ticketed for reasons that are not true. In the last week I have received 3 tickets, 2 of them are for not moving my vehicle within a 24 hour period (abandoned vehicle), and the other was for parking in a "temporary no parking area".
My street (Bartlett Ave) is torn up due to sewer construction and they have everything back together except for the asphalt, which can not be laid until the asphalt factories open in spring. Anyway, the street does not have any parking signs except in sporadic areas that are occupied by construction equipment. My gripe is that every time I get one of these tickets I have to drive down to the court house and file an appeal.
I am begging any officers who know or see the parking officers (they drive the jeeps that have the right hand side driver seat) Please let Officer Johnson, P know that the big white GMC Yukon that is always parked by the machinery does move every day, and that it is ok to park there, as there is a parking sign 5 feet away from where I park saying I can park there. The spot I prefer to park in, and where I have received every single ticket, is the only spot where I can see my vehicle from my apartment window. this is very important to me because I have been side swiped once already causing 900$ worth of damages to my car(PD does not care unless the value exceeds $1000 worth ), and with my alarm(silent) it pages me whenever it is set off I can easily walk to the window and check out what’s going on. This is why I park in the same spot every chance I get.
If this continues, I do not know what else to do but file a formal complaint.
Any advice/help especially from officers in the Milwaukee area would be greatly appreciated.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 1:09:52 PM EDT
I would talk to others that live around you and see if they are being ticketed, is not that it would sound as if you are being singled out. Talk to the neighbors first see what else is going on around you. Also take pictures of the area, the signs and things, that will help you out.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 1:24:03 PM EDT
Been there, done that.
You're fucked.
You'll get no help, no sympathy, and no coherent answers from anyone.

Pay now, or the fines will increase.
They'll suspend your license over a single unpaid parking ticket.

I park my car.
The car that I parked behind leaves.
A new car parks in front of me; right on my bumper.
I get a ticket for being within 8 inches of another car.

What the fuck am I supposed to do about this?
Run outside with a tape measure periodically and inspect the parking arrangement?

The tickets are thinly guised notices that say, "Ha-Ha I just lifted $35 from you wallet, Asshole."

No matter what I did, or how hard I attempted to comply there was always a ticket anyway, usually for a new and improved violation that I had never heard of.
Too close to this, not far enough from that, wrong time, wrong day, wrong season, it snowed, bus travels on that street ...... whatever ..... fuck you ..... gimme your money or go to jail next time we catch you driving.

They've found a pressure point and they will continue to use it to extort funds.
For so long as you have a vehicle and park it on the street, it will never end.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 1:57:55 PM EDT
Think of it as a parking tax. Simple revenue generation for the city of Milwaukee.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:08:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/15/2006 2:11:35 PM EDT by par0thead151]
now never say never....
because the past 2 tickets they issued that were bogus fought and won.
i just do not want to play this game for another 2 months till i graduate.
If this keeps up i will file the 3 complaints needed to get a "grievance" against this individual employee of the city. He works the night shift, so i assume he gets less "business" than the day time parking checkers as students who commute have taken their vehicles, and thus this guy must prey on local residents...
I was hoping that maybe someone on this board would be working with the district 5 police and might say, hey parking officer Johnson u might want to pay off this guy because he will bite back with formal complaints
odds are they will not give two shits about my complaint, but it will make me feel better.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 3:36:30 PM EDT
Welcome to Milwaukee's new "quality of life" crime enforcement program, where we ignore real crimes and focus on jaywalking, sidewalk spitting, ticketing vehicles that may or may not have moved in 24 hours, are parked too close to one another, or...

Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:13:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 5:25:14 PM EDT
thanks for the heads up tattoo, but i have all 3 contested, and in that state they do not go up in value, and i am sure they would not be so bold as to tow a car with too many "contested" tickets. that would just throw fuel on my fire.
I was debating weather or not i want to rent a half of a year longer here, but this has made me decide to get out ASAP and byuy the house in brookfiled/newberlin or franklin...
choosing where to live will be an even bigger can of worms
aargh i hate making such important decisions

great, its supposed to snow 4-6” tonight
Maybe the ticket ferry will leave me another present! It likes to show up around 3:30AM-6AM
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:21:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 6:37:31 PM EDT
If you want to get even, a local news station may like to cover this. You know, stick a video camera in your car and catch the taxman officer in the act.

-JTP
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 7:44:20 PM EDT
hmmm
i like the video idea.
The local community hates these guys as much as all of us do, which is why im supprised they put up with this. its funny, these games do not go on in shorewood. i wonder why...
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:43:52 PM EDT
You can't park on the street in Franklin at all overnight from november to april or may. Living on the eastside = shitty parking, its like living in Franklin or Oak Creek and bitching about taxes.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 3:28:37 AM EDT
Call your alderman,thats what he's there for!
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 4:59:32 AM EDT
+1 on calling the Alderman.
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 2:40:19 PM EDT
Much sympathy, that would drive my insane! Video tells no lies, I like that idea. Be sure to have a clock or tv in the foreground for a time-stamp. For some reason whenever I think of a Milwaukee alderman the first thing that pops to mind is ole Mr. "tire fire" Mgee . Gladly he is gone, best of luck!
Link Posted: 3/16/2006 5:41:25 PM EDT
I once got a parking ticket for parking my car at work, down by the road, on the grass, with a for sale sign on it. My coworkers have sold cars this way. How can they tell a person where they can't park on private property? I was pissed!!! I drove it home every day so it's not like it was sitting there for weeks. I called and complained and they sent someone out to look at it and she said you can't park on the grass period. I called and bitched some more but it did no good. Ended up paying the fuckin fine. This bullshits gotta stop!!!

Stang
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 3:33:45 PM EDT
I agree! down with the parking nazi's!!!
they usualy are content with harrasing the students who commute, and thos pestering of those of us who live in the area is a new development. i will not stand for it.
i am ammassing a small army of other unfortunate souls who have gotten tickets like mine, and i leave a note on their car to call me about how to complain about this particular parking naz,... i mean parking checker...
so far i have 5 confirmed, i am hopeing to double or tripple that by the time i have a court date.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 4:03:13 PM EDT
Here in Omro the chief of police wants to make it a ticketable offense for parking on the grass on your own property. By that I mean if you aren't physically parked on your driveway you will get a ticket.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 6:46:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dalesimpson:
Here in Omro the chief of police wants to make it a ticketable offense for parking on the grass on your own property. By that I mean if you aren't physically parked on your driveway you will get a ticket.



Thats how it is in G.B. BS!!!
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 1:19:56 PM EDT
where is Omro?
and who are they to tell you what you can and cant do on your own property...
wait never mind, you have ot have a permit to build a pool, shed, tree house, fence, addition to your own home, and just baout annything you can immagine!
re-frigin-diculous i tell you!
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 1:30:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By par0thead151:
where is Omro?
and who are they to tell you what you can and cant do on your own property...
wait never mind, you have ot have a permit to build a pool, shed, tree house, fence, addition to your own home, and just baout annything you can immagine!
re-frigin-diculous i tell you!



Omro is about 10 miles west of Oshkosh on highway 21.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 5:05:26 PM EDT
I was trying to park on Bartlett last night (right behind Lisa's Pizza) and with all the signs, it was almost impossible to figure out where you could park and where you couldn't. A big +1 on contacting your alderman. I can't imagine living in the city and having to deal with that everyday. Good Luck.
Link Posted: 3/18/2006 6:19:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 5:59:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2006 6:01:24 AM EDT by Throttle-Junkie]

Originally Posted By dalesimpson:
Here in Omro the chief of police wants to make it a ticketable offense for parking on the grass on your own property. By that I mean if you aren't physically parked on your driveway you will get a ticket.




Originally Posted By par0thead151:
where is Omro?
and who are they to tell you what you can and cant do on your own property...
wait never mind, you have ot have a permit to build a pool, shed, tree house, fence, addition to your own home, and just baout annything you can immagine!
re-frigin-diculous i tell you!



This has been a long standing gripe of mine.
Property taxes, combined with zoning and building codes have infringed to the point that private property is a thing of the past.
People don't understand the concept any more.
They're conditioned that "this is the way things are" and tend to go about their business without giving it a second thought.

You can never stop paying.
You can never own the property outrighly.
There will always be a bill that is due, and if you don't pay it they'll evict you.
That's rent, and it creates the relationship of lessor and lessee.

My uber favorite is assesment.
"We've decided that your property is worth a lot more money, so now merely owning it means that you owe us more money than ever before. Pay the bigger bill."

Make improvements?
Add a room?
Put up an outbuilding?
"I happened into some materials for nearly nothing and I can do the work myself, but the landlord will raise my rent my taxes will go up, so I better not."

People didn't bitch too much because the rent used to be reasonable.
It had to be, or people would have rejected it on premise.
Now that everyone is comfy and sedated, the pot can get a little warmer.
My father owns in Chicago. His Taxes are $5k a year.
"Dad, $400/month isn't taxes ... it's fucking rent! Sell the damn place already."
I've been trying to get him to leave IL for over a decade.
It might actually happen in not too long, but that's another thread.

Next item on the soap box ...

You have to request permission from an outside entity to do ... basically anything on your property.
Shoveling wheelbarrows full of dirt from one spot to another can bring inspectors.
Building anything needs to be preapproved.
Why do I have to ask permission to tend to my lawfully purchased property that I own outrightly?
... becasue I don't own it ... the state apparently has a vested interest in my land.
It's some sort of bizarre quazy-socialist shared ownership ... I guess ... where it's mine for so long as I use it the way they want me to use it.

Reminds me of my first car.
Dad told me that I had to buy it myself, because then it would represent a lot of hard work and I'd take care of it; if it was just handed to me, I'd crap on it.
So, I worked hard, saved up, bought the car and covered ALL of my own expenses.
.... but ....
Dad still exercised ownership of the car.
If I didn't do what I was supposed to ... at any given time ... or on any given subject ... he'd take the car away.
He would freely alter the deal (that I never agreed to) whenever it suited his purpose.
The long and short is that it was a pressure point, and he'd press on it to modify my behavior.
I think he was actually glad that there was something that I cared about to use against me; much more convenient for him than policing after me with the threat of an ass-kicking.

In retrospect, the terms were easy and Dad only had my best interest at heart.
Watch your mouth.
Be respectful.
Do what I tell you.
Go to school.
Don't wreck anything.
The rules weren't exactly harsh, but ...

The State isn't my fucking father, and I'm not a dependent minor.
The relationship shouldn't be the same, and it is exactly the same.
They've found something that you care about and are using it as a convenient pressure point.
They press on it whenever it suits them ..... hand over your money ..... only do what we say is okay.

If I have to submit a written permission slip for pre-approval before I do anything, have to pay a bill every month, and violating either of these will get me evicted ....... how is that different from a lessor/lessee relationship?

I'm going to stop here, because the point is more than made and I can go on at GREAT length.
This gripe crosses into many venues.

Link Posted: 3/20/2006 8:52:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Throttle-Junkie:

Originally Posted By dalesimpson:
Here in Omro the chief of police wants to make it a ticketable offense for parking on the grass on your own property. By that I mean if you aren't physically parked on your driveway you will get a ticket.




Originally Posted By par0thead151:
where is Omro?
and who are they to tell you what you can and cant do on your own property...
wait never mind, you have ot have a permit to build a pool, shed, tree house, fence, addition to your own home, and just baout annything you can immagine!
re-frigin-diculous i tell you!



This has been a long standing gripe of mine.
Property taxes, combined with zoning and building codes have infringed to the point that private property is a thing of the past.
People don't understand the concept any more.
They're conditioned that "this is the way things are" and tend to go about their business without giving it a second thought.

You can never stop paying.
You can never own the property outrighly.
There will always be a bill that is due, and if you don't pay it they'll evict you.
That's rent, and it creates the relationship of lessor and lessee.

My uber favorite is assesment.
"We've decided that your property is worth a lot more money, so now merely owning it means that you owe us more money than ever before. Pay the bigger bill."

Make improvements?
Add a room?
Put up an outbuilding?
"I happened into some materials for nearly nothing and I can do the work myself, but the landlord will raise my rent my taxes will go up, so I better not."

People didn't bitch too much because the rent used to be reasonable.
It had to be, or people would have rejected it on premise.
Now that everyone is comfy and sedated, the pot can get a little warmer.
My father owns in Chicago. His Taxes are $5k a year.
"Dad, $400/month isn't taxes ... it's fucking rent! Sell the damn place already."
I've been trying to get him to leave IL for over a decade.
It might actually happen in not too long, but that's another thread.

Next item on the soap box ...

You have to request permission from an outside entity to do ... basically anything on your property.
Shoveling wheelbarrows full of dirt from one spot to another can bring inspectors.
Building anything needs to be preapproved.
Why do I have to ask permission to tend to my lawfully purchased property that I own outrightly?
... becasue I don't own it ... the state apparently has a vested interest in my land.
It's some sort of bizarre quazy-socialist shared ownership ... I guess ... where it's mine for so long as I use it the way they want me to use it.

Reminds me of my first car.
Dad told me that I had to buy it myself, because then it would represent a lot of hard work and I'd take care of it; if it was just handed to me, I'd crap on it.
So, I worked hard, saved up, bought the car and covered ALL of my own expenses.
.... but ....
Dad still exercised ownership of the car.
If I didn't do what I was supposed to ... at any given time ... or on any given subject ... he'd take the car away.
He would freely alter the deal (that I never agreed to) whenever it suited his purpose.
The long and short is that it was a pressure point, and he'd press on it to modify my behavior.
I think he was actually glad that there was something that I cared about to use against me; much more convenient for him than policing after me with the threat of an ass-kicking.

In retrospect, the terms were easy and Dad only had my best interest at heart.
Watch your mouth.
Be respectful.
Do what I tell you.
Go to school.
Don't wreck anything.
The rules weren't exactly harsh, but ...

The State isn't my fucking father, and I'm not a dependent minor.
The relationship shouldn't be the same, and it is exactly the same.
They've found something that you care about and are using it as a convenient pressure point.
They press on it whenever it suits them ..... hand over your money ..... only do what we say is okay.

If I have to submit a written permission slip for pre-approval before I do anything, have to pay a bill every month, and violating either of these will get me evicted ....... how is that different from a lessor/lessee relationship?

I'm going to stop here, because the point is more than made and I can go on at GREAT length.
This gripe crosses into many venues.




Damn TJ. I guess I didn't realize that you could pull my thoughts right out of my brain. There is no way possible that I could agree with you any more than I do.

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