Ugh.. WTF WA.

When I read the ballet description I thought that we are f'ked.  They make it sound like a good measure.. but as we know it's not.  All I know in my household we all voted no on it.  
F#$*&

The language was absolute bullshit guy's but I believe it would have passed even if it basically said "This will infringe upon the right of law abiding washingtonian's to keep and bear arms" they don't care WHAT it says they don't like guns and they are going to vote for control and for your rights to be infringed just because they don't care for it. Fuck it probably would have passed if it said "we will begin confiscation of all firearms 11-7-18 after the initiative has passed" it may well have gotten more votes! We can hope to drag it out in the courts and dissect it some but the writing was on the wall awhile ago and its crystal clear now, second amendment rights in this state will be on a drastic path downward from this point on we are simply outnumbered by progressive's the state is lost.

I already mentioned potential issues with FOPA.

If forcing "classes" to exercise a right isn't an infringement, than what is?  Is anything an infringement, or is the term just too nebulous for the court to tackle?

Do you guys think that there will be a chance to appeal this stupid bill?  It does infringe on rights of legal adults.

I am no lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.  If I am thinking what Gottlieb is thinking, use the R v W example of invasion of Privacy to have this thrown out of the system.

If the state court were to be fair and consistent with past rulings this entire thing should be thrown out on the single subject rule alone, now whether that will actually happen is an absolute shot in the dark. After that there are so many other issue's for it to be attacked such as violating the state and US constitution, HIPAA regulation's and petition violation's and probably various other legality issue's I am overlooking.

You can bet, within a few years any range you shoot at will require you to prove you took a class in order to shoot at their range.

Just woke up to this shit

Ignorant asshole voters


ETA: even skagit Co fell for it

I'm sure given virtually every county sheriff was against this and now with LEO getting shafted by 940, enforcing 1639 will be topmost on their priorities

Safe storage clause question...

Does this mean that one of those cheapo crappy cable l locks run through the magwell is sufficient to avoid prosecution? And if a bad guy steals your gun, cuts off the cheesy cable lock and does bad stuff, how would they ever prove that you didn't have a cable lock on the gun? I mean, if you had a damaged safe you've got your get out of jail free card, but if it's a trigger/cable lock, it's likely that they stole the gun, lock and all, and cut it off / disposed of it later. They aren't going to scour the earth looking for the remains of your cable lock so....? Impossible to prosecute or is this the Democrat plan of "prove your innocence while we bankrupt you in endless court BS"?

This could just be my tinfoil talking, but I believe that the safe storage clause (and several other aspects of this abomination) are purposely left vague.  For example, what exactly constitutes "secure gun storage"?  Maybe I missed it in my readings, but I didn't see that clarified anywhere.  Does that include a cheapy Stack-On locker?  What about in the trunk of your locked car?  And, as noted, if a cable lock is cut how can you prove that it was there in the first place?

When does it take effect? Can we snag a ar-15 before it takes effect?

Is my home not "safe storage?" There are no trespassing signs, deadbolts on all of the doors, a security system, and no "unauthorized" persons are allowed in...

requires training to purchase and an annual license to lose as for life.
If you buy another within 5 years, or never buy another, youdont need to retake the training.
If you buy again and its longer than 5 years, you need to retake the training g.
The annual license is forever.

Remember "semi-automatic assault weapons" are now defined in this state as "ANY semi-automatic rifle".  Regardless of magazine type,caliber or other features.
That Marlin 60 and Ruger 10/22 are now "weapons of war".

The passage of 1639 will embolden the Democrat Legislature.
They are going to go full retard this coming session.

Ruger 10/22s, AKs, are available, there are bound to be HK copies.  The market will provide.

Otherwise, go to Idaho and purchase a complete rifle.

Where do we donate?

Yesterday saddened me. Uncle Sam is moving us to WA next year. Guess it's time to buy while I'm still in TX.

So I need a class every 5 years

AND a yearly license? Like a CCW permit?

Well then, anyone seeing a counselor for anything better tell them "thanks for the help, Im fine now" and nix that shit.

So here are my questions

Does this cover pistols in any way?

Will people who hold c&r licenses still be allowed to buy c&r items direct?

If I never buy another assembled semi-auto in the state of washington after 7/1 will I be affected in any way?

I stocked up on lowers a few years ago so I know I’m good there. I’ll go buy a handful of 10/22’s in the next few months and a few dozen mags because I can see that ban coming as well next session. What else should I think about picking up in the next few months?

How would they know if you are seeing a counselor?  If you didn’t tell them are they going to call every health care provider in a 100 mile radius for every gun owner?

No, they just look up your name in a database

No way that gets abused

All your medical interactions are in a central database, for the ease of insurance and doctors. Including your mental health visits.

HIPAA protects your medical privacy. But it only protects it from those not allowed to look. Now we've added the state to the list of those allowed to look at your medical records.

So just imagine TSA having access to your private medical records.

Dude, whatever medical visits you've had, especially if its through your PCP or billed to your insurance its in your medical records. Regular doctor visits or mental health visits its all in your records protected by HIPAA.

Now we've added the state to the list of those that have access to your HIPAA protected medical records.

And that my friend is unconstitutional.  That's what the basis of R v W.

You're required to waive HIPAA RIGHTS.

Fairly easy to locate health provider with name and address and social security number.
Then pull records.

By all state agencies...

Your medical insurance.

Curious regarding your line of reasoning.

The big problem is that with the D's in charge at all levels of State government, even if I-1639 gets struck down in court, the Legislature will say that "the people wanted this" and push through whatever the hell they want.  Probably even worse than what is in the Initiative.

My district looks like is is losing/lost a good local R Legislator in Dick Muri.

Rob

"The Court ruled 7–2 that a right to privacy under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that this right must be balanced against the state's interests in regulating abortions: protecting women's health and protecting the potentiality of human life.[2] Arguing that these state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the third trimester of pregnancy."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

This^^^^^^^. I’m sure this is the tip of the iceberg.

so there have been multiple lists that cover various different aspects of this and I've seen a bunch of them but none seem to have the all inclusive list, just the highlighted "worst". Does anyone have a comprehensive 100% change list?

even an M1 Garand or a 10/22 is an "assault rifle". un fucking real. you can bet mag cap limits and the full works are coming this next year.

Other than rogue judges, how can this possibly survive a challenge on 4A Rights? There's no more personal/private documents than mental/physical medical data...and the grounds for "evaluating" them is nothing more than exercising your Constitutional Rights? WTF? Is there any other Right that is subject to review/revocation only because said person is exercising another Right? That is a load of shit.

You mean, in like 7-8 weeks.

You can bet there are those salivating at the what's in the pipeline...This could get very ugly, very fast and many who sat on the fence and wouldn't spend the 5 minutes to fill out their ballots are going to be 'But, but...what the???That isn't RIGHT! They ACTED like they just wanted us to be a little safer, with just some more common sense, for safer school and communities...'

The potential implosion is not good.

BOSS

In this case, under 1639, you waive your right to privacy to purchase a semi auto rifle.

The state doesn't have access until you volunteer the info, by waiving your rights in order to exercise another right.

This is such BS.

1639 REQUIRES you to WAIVE HIPAA FOR LIFE.
Once you purchase a pistol or "semi-automatic assault weapon" you are in the system.  FOR LIFE.

Annual license to "Posess FIREARMS".

Not a guess, I read the thing.  
It's what we've been discussing for months.

Waiving Medical Confidentiality/HIPPA:

From Section 7 on Page 12: Waiver of Medical Record Confidentiality:

"A signed application to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle shall constitute a waiver of confidentiality and written request that the health care authority, mental health institutions, and other health care facilities release, to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency, information relevant to the applicant's eligibility to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency."

Establishing an Annual License to Possess:

From Section 15 on Page 23: bullet point A creates the requirement for an annual background check

NEW SECTION. Sec. 15. A new section is added to chapter 9.41
RCW to read as follows:

(1) Within twelve months of the effective date of this section,
the department of licensing shall, in conjunction with the
Washington state patrol and other state and local law enforcement
agencies as necessary, develop a cost-effective and efficient
process to:

(a) Verify, on an ANNUAL or MORE FREQUENT BASIS , that persons
who acquired pistols or semiautomatic assault rifles pursuant to
this chapter remain eligible to possess a firearm under state and
federal law; and

ANY State Agency has access to you Medical Records:

Also this - Sec. 8. RCW 9.41.097 and 2018 c 201 s 6005 are each amended to
read as follows:
(1) The health care authority, mental health institutions, and
other health care facilities shall, upon request of a court, ((or))
law enforcement agency, or the state, supply such relevant
information as is necessary to determine the eligibility of a person
to possess a ((pistol)) firearm or to be issued a concealed pistol
license under RCW 9.41.070 or to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic
assault rifle under RCW 9.41.090.
(2) Mental health information received by: (a) The department of
licensing pursuant to RCW 9.41.047 or 9.41.173; (b) an issuing
authority pursuant to RCW 9.41.047 or 9.41.070; (c) a chief of
police or sheriff pursuant to RCW 9.41.090 or 9.41.173; (d) a court
or law enforcement agency pursuant to subsection (1) of this
section; or (e) the state pursuant to RCW 9.41.090, shall not be
disclosed except as provided in RCW 42.56.240(4).

https://results.vote.wa.gov/results/current/Turnout.html

Looks like 750k ballots still to be counted (as of last check, 5 minutes ago)... any chance this will flip into our favor? 450k vote split right now...

Threw down $150 for a life membership to SAF today. It's the only thing I could think of doing that has a chance of being helpful.

https://www.saf.org/join-saf/