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Posted: 10/3/2017 10:11:14 PM EDT
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I'm going to take the pragmatic approach on it all. If the aftermath of a "automatic assault rifle" rifle killing 50+ people only leads to the ban of bumpfire stocks I'll call that a win. I'll fight anything of course, but if they can focus on stocks and not move their sights over to a full assault rifle ban....well, good enough.
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Posted: 10/3/2017 11:00:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2017 11:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryReally? Get out of here with that crap
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Posted: 10/4/2017 1:01:22 AM EDT
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I'm going to take the pragmatic approach on it all. If the aftermath of a "automatic assault rifle" rifle killing 50+ people only leads to the ban of bumpfire stocks I'll call that a win. I'll fight anything of course, but if they can focus on stocks and not move their sights over to a full assault rifle ban....well, good enough. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 1:28:41 AM EDT
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Our leaders are merely toadies following the narrative delivered by their media?one party overlords..
Once WA legislature goes dim we are TOAST!! 
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Posted: 10/4/2017 1:36:54 AM EDT
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remember this...
86 killed in Nice France, with a truck. i don't see them going after something that killa 50%more, even quicker than guns. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 5:06:42 AM EDT
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It's too bad we have limp dick republicans in total power right now, otherwise you might almost not worry about gun control.
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Posted: 10/4/2017 7:48:30 AM EDT
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remember this... 86 killed in Paris, with a truck. i don't see them going after something that killa 50%more, even quicker than guns. |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 9:27:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2017 10:50:47 AM EDT
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Really? Get out of here with that crap But the very last point, #11, is interesting... |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 11:21:09 AM EDT
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When it comes to bans, there is no good enough, which is why we have to fight tooth and nail to stop this bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm going to take the pragmatic approach on it all. If the aftermath of a "automatic assault rifle" rifle killing 50+ people only leads to the ban of bumpfire stocks I'll call that a win. I'll fight anything of course, but if they can focus on stocks and not move their sights over to a full assault rifle ban....well, good enough. As a guy who spent time in Cali, I know what real gun restrictions feels like. Fuck. That. I do not want that again. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 12:35:42 PM EDT
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The article has so many holes in it I don't know quite where to start. But I'll post a few of my initial disagreements:
1. Firing a number of 5.56 rifles full auto does NOT take the immense strength and stamina that writer suggests, especially if they are fired from a well prepared rested position. 2. What sounds like multiple weapons could easily be the writer mistaking the sound of the actual discharge of the weapon from an echo, or from the supersonic crack of the bullet going past the recording device. All three of those things could easily sound like three different full auto weapons to someone who hasn't had supersonic bullets fly past them, only to hear the actual discharge of the weapon moment later....then to hear the echo. 3. No one said that the shooter took all the weapons to his room in one trip...the writer assumed it. It is perfectly plausible that the shooter had a helper who shot the guy left behind to make it look like a suicide. We will have to wait for forensic reports on the autopsy for that though. Of course, that all assumes that the FBI et al will actually release the full truth to the public, rather than releasing a self serving narrative that calms the public's fears, and puts focus back on evil weapons, rather than on evil people. Everyone can put their tinfoil hats back on now. I don't believe we will ever know the full, actual truth of this incident any more than we will about the Kennedy assassination. Shit happens, and freedom is scary at times. |
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Posted: 10/5/2017 3:55:07 PM EDT
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I won’t turn in shit
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Posted: 10/5/2017 6:54:24 PM EDT
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Had it been a THOUSAND KNIVES or more, can you imagine the death toll there?
Heavy-bladed knives dropping silently from above. Haphazardly shredding, stabbing, imbedding, etc. into possibly hundreds of human beings. Weird scenario, yes. 
I'm not buying the entire story or narrative or whatever conspiracy bullshit is foisted upon us on TV. There are a lot of 'facts' that don't quite add up to reality, in my opinion. Especially the fact that the perp is a conundrum himself. Trump is smart to hold off for a bit and find out what really IS the fuck going on. |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 4:04:21 AM EDT
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The battle is never over. Not worth contacting our representatives because they are liberal morons/morans.
The revolution nears..... |
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Posted: 10/6/2017 10:29:10 AM EDT
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Expect an AWB via initiative here before Trump's first term is over.
"If the Feds won't act we will" type derp. 
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Posted: 10/6/2017 11:49:10 AM EDT
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Expect an AWB via initiative here before Trump's first term is over. "If the Feds won't act we will" type derp. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 4:28:10 AM EDT
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I'm going to take the pragmatic approach on it all. If the aftermath of a "automatic assault rifle" rifle killing 50+ people only leads to the ban of bumpfire stocks I'll call that a win. I'll fight anything of course, but if they can focus on stocks and not move their sights over to a full assault rifle ban....well, good enough. Also at what point to do you draw the line and say you do not cross this line? |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 11:18:31 AM EDT
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Here comes Nick Hanauer and WAGR again
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/enough-with-thoughts-and-prayers-time-to-act/ David Frockt will propose a new state AWB at the urging of AG Ferguson, our state's favorite progressive attention whore and likely future governor. http://kuow.org/post/military-style-weapons-ban-proposed-washington-legislature It's reaching the point where we will be fighting this every single year in this state, whether it be during a legislative session or by initiative. Unfortunately at some point it's going to pass. The Puget Sound corridor wants Washington to be California and won't quit until that happens. |
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Posted: 10/7/2017 12:50:07 PM EDT
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Honestly, I am awaiting a ballot initiative like they did with 594. Ya know I am really surprised that they haven't tried that one already.
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Posted: 10/8/2017 12:15:32 AM EDT
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Here comes Nick Hanauer and WAGR again https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/enough-with-thoughts-and-prayers-time-to-act/ David Frockt will propose a new state AWB at the urging of AG Ferguson, our state's favorite progressive attention whore and likely future governor. http://kuow.org/post/military-style-weapons-ban-proposed-washington-legislature It's reaching the point where we will be fighting this every single year in this state, whether it be during a legislative session or by initiative. Unfortunately at some point it's going to pass. The Puget Sound corridor wants Washington to be California and won't quit until that happens. |
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Posted: 10/8/2017 1:25:16 AM EDT
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There's no 'sarcasm' font so I guess I should have embellished it with the mushed up smileys, huh? But the very last point, #11, is interesting... Quote HistoryQuoted:
There's no 'sarcasm' font so I guess I should have embellished it with the mushed up smileys, huh? But the very last point, #11, is interesting... How was the FBI able to almost immediately declare Paddock had no ties to ISIS — barely 12 hours after the shooting Ranb |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 2:03:49 AM EDT
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If you go to a Sounders Soccer match, you are supporting the enemy. Let's be honest. How many of these organizations is anyone on here going to boycott? Not that one guy or even a group of people are going to put a dent in the money that our area billionaires and millionaires have for their gun control measures. It has always surprised me that a statewide AWB hasn't passed yet. We have the world's #1 & #3 richest men living here along with a piece of shit Governor, Attorney General, and a mostly lazy state legislature that is easily distracted by dumb shit like the McCleary decision. An AWB is going to happen. There is no doubt about it. After the legal issues with 594, you can bet that there have been people working day and night to make an AWB that is airtight, palatable to the State Supreme Court, and has no grandfathering provisions in it. There isn't shit we can do about it and no one including the NRA, SAF, or any other pro-2A organization is going to have the resources necessary to go against Hanauer, Gates, Allen, Bezos and their buddy, Bloomberg. The writing is on the wall. Get mad at me all you want. Charity spaghetti dinners, collecting signatures outside the Safeway, and printing up some bumper stickers won't do shit. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 3:17:05 PM EDT
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No, I would say they would try to word it so any enhancement for the fire rate would be ban if they only "target" the stock. Hence it would ban other upgrades such as trigger upgrades. Also at what point to do you draw the line and say you do not cross this line? 
I would have expected the line to be considered crossed at a federal level in 86 and 94. At a state level in pick your state....NY ban, Cali ban, Connecticut, Il....The list goes on. The pragmatic fact of the matter is no one is willing to die for something so inconsequential as guns. I love my guns, but at the end of the day its a hobby. I'm not ready to die for guns any more than I am for kite flying. And the very simple fact is neither is anyone else. Its pretty easy for someone to say they would be #999 in the revolution recruitment. Far more difficult to be #1! |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:18:48 PM EDT
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I’m pretty sure Washington already has a fire rate ban of 5 rounds per second. That’s why no binary trigger manufacturers will ship here.
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Posted: 10/10/2017 9:40:20 PM EDT
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remember this... 86 killed in Nice France, with a truck. i don't see them going after something that killa 50%more, even quicker than guns. Besides, Inslee...
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Posted: 10/10/2017 10:40:11 PM EDT
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I’m pretty sure Washington already has a fire rate ban of 5 rounds per second. That’s why no binary trigger manufacturers will ship here. RCW 9.41.010 states a "Machine gun" means any firearm known as a machine gun, mechanical rifle, submachine gun, or any other mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot...” Since a binary fires on Press AND Release, it runs afoul of the wording that says it requires a “press” for every round fired. This section does talk about the 5 rounds per second issue, but that doesn’t really have an impact on the trigger’s legality. 5 rounds per second is clearly doable with various traditional triggers on the market now, but they all work on “press” only. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:05:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI've fired full auto for more than 10 minutes a few times... I must be more bad ass than a SEAL!
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Posted: 10/11/2017 9:39:45 AM EDT
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I’m pretty sure Washington already has a fire rate ban of 5 rounds per second. That’s why no binary trigger manufacturers will ship here. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 5:30:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/11/2017 6:15:24 PM EDT
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Add the Seahawks, Costco, Microsoft, and Amazon to that list. Let's be honest. How many of these organizations is anyone on here going to boycott? Not that one guy or even a group of people are going to put a dent in the money that our area billionaires and millionaires have for their gun control measures. It has always surprised me that a statewide AWB hasn't passed yet. We have the world's #1 & #3 richest men living here along with a piece of shit Governor, Attorney General, and a mostly lazy state legislature that is easily distracted by dumb shit like the McCleary decision. An AWB is going to happen. There is no doubt about it. After the legal issues with 594, you can bet that there have been people working day and night to make an AWB that is airtight, palatable to the State Supreme Court, and has no grandfathering provisions in it. There isn't shit we can do about it and no one including the NRA, SAF, or any other pro-2A organization is going to have the resources necessary to go against Hanauer, Gates, Allen, Bezos and their buddy, Bloomberg. The writing is on the wall. Get mad at me all you want. Charity spaghetti dinners, collecting signatures outside the Safeway, and printing up some bumper stickers won't do shit. |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 8:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo the A's have the most gun laws and most deaths, and F's have the least laws and least deaths? I'm not sure what this map is trying to show 
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Posted: 10/11/2017 10:43:40 PM EDT
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So the A's have the most gun laws and most deaths, and F's have the least laws and least deaths? I'm not sure what this map is trying to show |
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Posted: 10/11/2017 10:50:35 PM EDT
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That would be unconstitutional on its face. Constructed in the right way, any grandfathering clause would be just words on paper. You don't think that between the SAFE act and other similar laws around the country, the anti-gunners haven't been taking notes. I know they have with respect to the "loopholes" left in 594. |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 7:12:56 PM EDT
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Ban BOXTRUX.
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Posted: 10/13/2017 4:28:17 AM EDT
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Ban BOXTRUX. This state has done everything it can to fuck with CDL drivers and the vehicles they drive. Might as well trickle it down to U-Hauls
I see those goofy UK kitchen knives in our future when Chinese style mass stabbings become more fashionable. Just look at what that racist fuck down in Portland did on a MAX train. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 3:16:13 AM EDT
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Bob Ferguson has tried to push one through the last two years, hes only going to have more support this time around. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 11:38:34 PM EDT
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Honestly, I am awaiting a ballot initiative like they did with 594. Ya know I am really surprised that they haven't tried that one already. Back before 594 passed Douglas gave his "analysis" on Q13 and called the concerns about the initiative unfounded. The other two guests were adamant that an AWB initiative must happen, and trusted that the voters would be "way ahead of the legislature on it." What I was surprised by was Douglas' complete disagreement on that issue. He stated that half or more of all guns sold in the state would be banned under such an initiative, it wouldn't be a slam dunk like 594, that it would be wildly unpopular everywhere in the state outside the Seattle metro area, and warned that Democrats supporting an AWB initiative would face wrath from Democrat gun owners. You could practically hear the other two guests scoffing at his warning. Other than that, KUOW pretty much passed the discussion off as a debate on the inevitable, and referred to proposed AWBs as "gun safety bills" |
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Posted: 10/15/2017 4:07:43 AM EDT
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What I was surprised by was Douglas' complete disagreement on that issue. He stated that half or more of all guns sold in the state would be banned under such an initiative, it wouldn't be a slam dunk like 594, that it would be wildly unpopular everywhere in the state outside the Seattle metro area, and warned that Democrats supporting an AWB initiative would face wrath from Democrat gun owners. You could practically hear the other two guests scoffing at his warning. 594 passed almost solely because of King County. When you add in the strong number of liberals from Whatcom, Snohomish, Pierce, Thurston and Clark County, it was a lock. The rest of state voted overwhelmingly against 594 and 1491. Didn't matter. Add in some language about protecting sporting use weapons and you'll get fudds climbing into the boat as well for an AWB. We've seen it recently with the new levels of retardism concerning bumpstocks. Don't think that all gun owners in Washington are on the same page. They're not. Gun owners have a large contingent willing to eat their own. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 9:18:55 AM EDT
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That AWB may be coming sooner than you think if the leftists have their way...
SB 5050: http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5050&Year=2017 HB 1387: http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1387&Year=2017 |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 11:11:58 AM EDT
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HB 1387: http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1387&Year=2017 |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 12:44:32 PM EDT
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Ferguson can get fucked.
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Posted: 11/2/2017 12:49:43 PM EDT
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That AWB may be coming sooner than you think if the leftists have their way... SB 5050: http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5050&Year=2017 HB 1387: http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1387&Year=2017 |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 1:12:29 PM EDT
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Those both died this year, but I'm sure something similar will be pushed next year. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 1:31:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHopefully the NRA will send more than the 20 year old girl they sent last year. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 9:43:18 PM EDT
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Winning the race in the 45th district is critical to our survival as we know it. Otherwise it is a liberal trifecta: Gov, house, and senate.
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Posted: 11/3/2017 11:28:40 PM EDT
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Winning the race in the 45th district is critical to our survival as we know it. Otherwise it is a liberal trifecta: Gov, house, and senate. We have the Governor, the Attorney General, most of the State Supreme Court, most of the Legislature and most of the heads of the various state agencies all gunning to eliminate anything that would harken back to a period when Washington State wasn't a haven for illegal immigrants, career criminals, and rabble rousers. Add in a corrupt initiative process, a complicit media, and billionaires looking to create their own fucked up utopia...... What's left? As far as I see it, we're out of moves, don't have enough cash, and can't seem to get your average Washingtonian to give a shit**. **Void in Central and Eastern Washington but they don't matter anymore. They no longer have the ability to sway statewide races or initiatives. The estimated population in the Puget Sound area (any county that touches Puget Sound except Mason & Jefferson) plus Clark, Skagit, San Juan, Island and Whatcom County for 2016 was 5,152,780 meaning that the area accounts for almost 72% of the state's total population. Over 2.1 million people now live in King County alone. Yes, not everyone in these areas is eligible to vote, cares enough about voting, or votes against us but the numbers don't lie. 2016 Population Trends- WA State Office of Financial Management Here's the most sobering images out of that report:  Attached File Attached FileFigure out how to get rid of Amazon, Microsoft and the other industries that tend to (not always because I know some of us work at these places) attract bleeding heart liberals and brain dead Democrat voters. That's the only way you save this state but we all know that won't happen. |
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Posted: 11/4/2017 12:02:23 AM EDT
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Figure out how to get rid of Amazon, Microsoft and the other industries that tend to (not always because I know some of us work at these places) attract bleeding heart liberals and brain dead Democrat voters. That's the only way you save this state but we all know that won't happen. Corporate headquarters out of state. Non-union assembly plant out of state. Raise some taxes and end tax breaks, that should do the trick.
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Posted: 11/4/2017 10:57:26 AM EDT
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Boeing. Corporate headquarters out of state. Non-union assembly plant out of state. Raise some taxes and end tax breaks, that should do the trick. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Figure out how to get rid of Amazon, Microsoft and the other industries that tend to (not always because I know some of us work at these places) attract bleeding heart liberals and brain dead Democrat voters. That's the only way you save this state but we all know that won't happen. Corporate headquarters out of state. Non-union assembly plant out of state. Raise some taxes and end tax breaks, that should do the trick.
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Posted: 11/4/2017 7:13:11 PM EDT
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Aren’t they doing that now? It's not something that I think is publicly available but I'd bet that Boeing's workforce is significantly older than the other major employers here in the State. Skilled trades of a technical nature tend to have that characteristic. The corporate guys in Chicago are probably rubbing their hands in anticipation of the retirement wave. It'll give them the final excuse to shutter most of the production out here and move it to the South. Boil down their presence here to testing, final delivery and technical support. I might be wrong but I have to go with the grumblings I hear from people that I know that do work for Boeing. I do know that this State will bend over and spread their cheeks even wider to keep Boeing here which ends up fucking us all. |
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