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Posted: 9/17/2017 8:57:21 PM EDT
The hits just keep coming.
Linkage ...Up to 2,000 volunteers will be asked to participate in the pilot. Miles can be tracked either by odometer readings, by installing a device in the car that tracks miles, or by downloading a smart phone app that also tracks miles... 
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Posted: 9/17/2017 10:52:05 PM EDT
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Given the current frustrations over the tag cost increase I would hope that the current crop of libtards out in Seattle are a bit put off by the thought of another tax.....But I wont be holding my breath.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 11:29:07 PM EDT
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Given the current frustrations over the tag cost increase I would hope that the current crop of libtards out in Seattle are a bit put off by the thought of another tax.....But I wont be holding my breath. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 2:41:43 AM EDT
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I find their math highly suspect, and figure they are doing an intentional, misleadingly low "per mile" figure. On the one hand, it would increase tax collection from the all-electric crowd (good thing, they use the roads too), but like I said, the math seems fucky. Basically, they'll have to have a graduated tax that is higher for low efficiency vehicles (think trucks) and a lower rate for high efficiency vehicles. They claim the sales tax is regressive, so there is no way they'll have one simple rate for every car.
Assuming a 15,000/year average, the "pay per mile" is $360. Current gas tax is $0.494/gallon. @10 MPG = $741 in taxes now vs. $360. Big savings, so without a graduated scale, it might push people back into less efficient vehicles. Get a heavy 3/4T or 1T pickup, and you don't pay RTA either! Double win! Basically, the "break even" MPG figure is 20.7 MPG. Anything under that, and you would save money (for now) with the flat $0.024/mile tax. Anything over that, and you start paying more taxes. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:05:33 AM EDT
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I find their math highly suspect, and figure they are doing an intentional, misleadingly low "per mile" figure. On the one hand, it would increase tax collection from the all-electric crowd (good thing, they use the roads too), but like I said, the math seems fucky. Basically, they'll have to have a graduated tax that is higher for low efficiency vehicles (think trucks) and a lower rate for high efficiency vehicles. They claim the sales tax is regressive, so there is no way they'll have one simple rate for every car. Assuming a 15,000/year average, the "pay per mile" is $360. Current gas tax is $0.494/gallon. @10 MPG = $741 in taxes now vs. $360. Big savings, so without a graduated scale, it might push people back into less efficient vehicles. Get a heavy 3/4T or 1T pickup, and you don't pay RTA either! Double win! Basically, the "break even" MPG figure is 20.7 MPG. Anything under that, and you would save money (for now) with the flat $0.024/mile tax. Anything over that, and you start paying more taxes. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:38:53 PM EDT
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The biggest technical hurdle to this is collecting accurate mileage numbers... How many people are going to have their "speedometers calibrated" if this comes in to affect. You're damn sure not permanently tapping my OBD2. And most cars over 10 yrs old are mileage exempt anyway?
I don't see it going very far. But Seattle will push for it, since they have the urban dwellers that put 500 miles a year on cars and want some savings to push the burden on to you. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 5:10:08 PM EDT
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Washington, the "I've never seen a tax I don't like state"
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:50:30 PM EDT
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We got ST3, 405 toll lanes, income tax is being kicked about, now this. I would've expected tar warming parties by now. Western central WA hasn't seen a tax it doesn't like, & it will drag the rest of the state with it. http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslee-signs-plan-for-paid-family-leave/ |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:55:55 PM EDT
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Despite what is being claimed in the article, the math in your example will more likely end up being $741 PLUS $360 = $1101. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find their math highly suspect, and figure they are doing an intentional, misleadingly low "per mile" figure. On the one hand, it would increase tax collection from the all-electric crowd (good thing, they use the roads too), but like I said, the math seems fucky. Basically, they'll have to have a graduated tax that is higher for low efficiency vehicles (think trucks) and a lower rate for high efficiency vehicles. They claim the sales tax is regressive, so there is no way they'll have one simple rate for every car. Assuming a 15,000/year average, the "pay per mile" is $360. Current gas tax is $0.494/gallon. @10 MPG = $741 in taxes now vs. $360. Big savings, so without a graduated scale, it might push people back into less efficient vehicles. Get a heavy 3/4T or 1T pickup, and you don't pay RTA either! Double win! Basically, the "break even" MPG figure is 20.7 MPG. Anything under that, and you would save money (for now) with the flat $0.024/mile tax. Anything over that, and you start paying more taxes. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:16:40 PM EDT
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So are they or are they not going to repeal the existing gas tax?
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:36:22 PM EDT
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So are they or are they not going to repeal the existing gas tax? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:32:24 AM EDT
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Fuck you, Jay Inslee. Fuck you.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:50:21 AM EDT
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When was the last time you saw a tax repealed? Also, I get 16.5mpg and I'm for keeping it the way it is now. No new taxes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So are they or are they not going to repeal the existing gas tax? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:10:09 PM EDT
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They don't, my question is how do sell, I mean spin it, so voters will vote for it? |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:00:57 AM EDT
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Despite what is being claimed in the article, the math in your example will more likely end up being $741 PLUS $360 = $1101. The concession they're prepared to offer is to roll back the recent 11.9 cent gas tax increase. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:57:02 AM EDT
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I have it on very good authority from a friend at WSDOT that this exactly what they're ultimately shooting for. There have already been several meetings to plan out how to approach the legislature about implementing the mileage tax along with keeping the gas tax. The concession they're prepared to offer is to roll back the recent 11.9 cent gas tax increase. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 10:46:34 AM EDT
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I have it on very good authority from a friend at WSDOT that this exactly what they're ultimately shooting for. There have already been several meetings to plan out how to approach the legislature about implementing the mileage tax along with keeping the gas tax. The concession they're prepared to offer is to roll back the recent 11.9 cent gas tax increase. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Despite what is being claimed in the article, the math in your example will more likely end up being $741 PLUS $360 = $1101. The concession they're prepared to offer is to roll back the recent 11.9 cent gas tax increase. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 1:00:16 PM EDT
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I don't see how they could possibly enforce a mileage tax. Any kind of device they try to install in my cars will very quickly become lost, broken, or will start incorrectly reporting miles driven
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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:20:20 PM EDT
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I don't see how they could possibly enforce a mileage tax. Any kind of device they try to install in my cars will very quickly become lost, broken, or will start incorrectly reporting miles driven Hell, theres places already which will confiscate your vehicle if you are out poaching as its considered "used in the offense of a crime". I've no doubt is Wa wants its per mile tax it will safeguard it to make sure it gets it per mile tax. 
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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:24:04 PM EDT
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Easy. Very much so. Write the law such that tampering with the device is a federal offense punishable by x fine and y time with the option to confiscate the vehicle the device was in. For bonus points throw in LEO option to compare odometer readings during stops to compare against reported readings when you register or some other crazy bullshit. Hell, theres places already which will confiscate your vehicle if you are out poaching as its considered "used in the offense of a crime". I've no doubt is Wa wants its per mile tax it will safeguard it to make sure it gets it per mile tax. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 3:21:24 PM EDT
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Good luck tracking the mileage on my 95 Dodge, faggots.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:00:48 PM EDT
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Where exactly does your friend as WSDOT work? Removed department. He works in Olympia. He doesn't work for a division that is directly responsible for legislative proposals. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:56:28 PM EDT
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Good luck tracking the mileage on my 95 Dodge, faggots. They also are floating the idea of doing odometer reporting and payment via the shitty WSDOT smart phone app This was anonymously leaked by a DOT employee to the Dori Monson show. Or course, next will be state wide emissions inspections which will constitute an effort to force residents into purchasing newer vehicles with OBDII support to enable use of GPS enabled OBDII modules. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 9:08:39 PM EDT
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They have already floated a handful of options to cover that issue. if you don't have OBDII with a built in GPS receiver, you will have to report your mileage on a quarterly or annual basis. You also get the choice of prepaying for miles (probably at a discount, but with a steep penalty if you go over), or paying the difference each time your odometer is inspected. They also are floating the idea of doing odometer reporting and payment via the shitty WSDOT smart phone app This was anonymously leaked by a DOT employee to the Dori Monson show. Or course, next will be state wide emissions inspections which will constitute an effort to force residents into purchasing newer vehicles with OBDII support to enable use of GPS enabled OBDII modules. This might even be the way that the state could roll out annual vehicle inspections. I know that has been floating around the turd bowl aka the State Legislature for years. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 10:25:53 PM EDT
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They have already floated a handful of options to cover that issue. if you don't have OBDII with a built in GPS receiver, you will have to report your mileage on a quarterly or annual basis. You also get the choice of prepaying for miles (probably at a discount, but with a steep penalty if you go over), or paying the difference each time your odometer is inspected. They also are floating the idea of doing odometer reporting and payment via the shitty WSDOT smart phone app This was anonymously leaked by a DOT employee to the Dori Monson show. Or course, next will be state wide emissions inspections which will constitute an effort to force residents into purchasing newer vehicles with OBDII support to enable use of GPS enabled OBDII modules. Supposedly all WA emissions testing sunsets in 2019, they already closed one of the stations here this year. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 10:59:49 PM EDT
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They don't, my question is how do sell, I mean spin it, so voters will vote for it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So are they or are they not going to repeal the existing gas tax? |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 11:47:39 PM EDT
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They have already floated a handful of options to cover that issue. if you don't have OBDII with a built in GPS receiver, you will have to report your mileage on a quarterly or annual basis. You also get the choice of prepaying for miles (probably at a discount, but with a steep penalty if you go over), or paying the difference each time your odometer is inspected. They also are floating the idea of doing odometer reporting and payment via the shitty WSDOT smart phone app This was anonymously leaked by a DOT employee to the Dori Monson show. Or course, next will be state wide emissions inspections which will constitute an effort to force residents into purchasing newer vehicles with OBDII support to enable use of GPS enabled OBDII modules. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 12:16:50 AM EDT
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My OBDII is already being used. OBDII is a CANbus interface that supports multiple devices on the diagnostic port.
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Posted: 9/21/2017 1:16:33 AM EDT
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If GPS is not used, and you only go off of odometer readings then you pay for miles driven out of state.
GPS is way too invasive for me. If GPS is used, will we be getting speeding tickets along with our milage fee? |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 9:56:23 AM EDT
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GPS also opens the door for variable pricing and automated tolling, where certain roads may cost more per mile
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Posted: 9/21/2017 12:46:21 PM EDT
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If GPS is not used, and you only go off of odometer readings then you pay for miles driven out of state. GPS is way too invasive for me. If GPS is used, will we be getting speeding tickets along with our milage fee? |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 3:45:25 PM EDT
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Well fortunately for the state of Washington OBDII is a CANbus interface that supports multiple devices on the diagnostic port.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My OBDII is already being used. OBDII is a CANbus interface that supports multiple devices on the diagnostic port. |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 1:16:28 AM EDT
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I am done, listing the condo and leaving.
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Posted: 9/22/2017 11:23:22 AM EDT
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We need to stop bumping this with new posts. Every time I see this damn thread thread at the top of the list I feel my blood pressure spike.
 Fucking per mile tax, those thieves can eat a fat dick. I'll register out of state. Assholes.
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Posted: 9/22/2017 10:29:20 PM EDT
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I heard that they are working on a FART tax ( IT'S GAS RIGHT ). The state will provide under ware that will count your FARTS and then you will have to send them in every week so they can tax you on how many FARTS you produced. The bigger the FART the higher the tax. If skid marks are found they will double the tax on that pair of under ware. The only people this will not affect is women because we all know WOMEN don't fart. MC
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Posted: 9/23/2017 12:19:50 AM EDT
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Yes, agree, & yes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If GPS is not used, and you only go off of odometer readings then you pay for miles driven out of state. GPS is way too invasive for me. If GPS is used, will we be getting speeding tickets along with our milage fee? Hell will freeze before those motherfuckers install anything in my car. I refuse that Onstar crap for much less. |
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Posted: 9/23/2017 12:28:16 AM EDT
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FU WA on that crap. I pissed at the 405 thing.. But tax by mileage. Also wouldn't it be illegal to tax you when you drive out of state and you pay the taxes for it.
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Posted: 9/23/2017 3:50:27 AM EDT
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Also wouldn't it be illegal to tax you when you drive out of state and you pay the taxes for it. This state is speeding up in its quest to be like many other shit holes. The state doesn't exist to serve you. The elected officials and many of the state workers are not servants of the public but rather servants of their own self-interests and political aspirations. They want you to move. That'll give them plenty of space for the illegals, liberals, and all the city dwellers who forget the state is more than Western Washington. It's prom night. WSDOT & The State Legislature already have the tip in and there's going to be some fucking even if we speak up. No doubt about it. 
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Posted: 9/23/2017 3:11:17 PM EDT
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Pretty simple, I will not comply.
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Posted: 9/24/2017 1:35:26 AM EDT
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Im beginning to hate coming to the Wa forum
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Posted: 9/24/2017 2:12:44 AM EDT
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Im beginning to hate coming to the Wa forum
Burying your head in the sand isn't going to make anything go away. At least in here, we can bitch with mostly liked minded individuals. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 12:55:11 PM EDT
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Join in on the hate.
Burying your head in the sand isn't going to make anything go away. At least in here, we can bitch with mostly liked minded individuals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im beginning to hate coming to the Wa forum
Burying your head in the sand isn't going to make anything go away. At least in here, we can bitch with mostly liked minded individuals. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 1:12:45 PM EDT
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Did some calculations and with gas tax alone I pay $300ish a year. At $.024 thats roughly $500 a year.
Are they looking to get rid of the existing has tax and replace it with this? How do they expect to get people to buy into installing GPS? I sure as fuck wont do that. The only thing left is to report milage every time you renew your tabs. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 5:18:12 PM EDT
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Are they looking to get rid of the existing gas tax and replace it with this? Whether it's modeled after Oregon where you might see a refund of gas taxes paid in excess remains to be seen. Personally, I doubt you'd see a refund. Our state is all about pointless road projects and social redistribution. This could all be bullshit since I have no way of verifying it but it has a certain air of truth that you only get from the morons in Olympia. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 6:23:10 PM EDT
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Im beginning to hate coming to the Wa forum
Burying your head in the sand isn't going to make anything go away. At least in here, we can bitch with mostly liked minded individuals. Our bitching is the usual venting session. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 11:04:32 PM EDT
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Did some calculations and with gas tax alone I pay $300ish a year. At $.024 thats roughly $500 a year. Are they looking to get rid of the existing has tax and replace it with this? How do they expect to get people to buy into installing GPS? I sure as fuck wont do that. The only thing left is to report milage every time you renew your tabs. |
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Posted: 9/25/2017 10:45:59 AM EDT
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FU WA on that crap. I pissed at the 405 thing.. But tax by mileage. Also wouldn't it be illegal to tax you when you drive out of state and you pay the taxes for it.
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Posted: 9/27/2017 3:22:57 AM EDT
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Well, I guess Central Texas, Georgia or North Florida is now looking better when I'm ready for my next move in 3/4 years... I really can't handle all the stupid shit "our" elected officials keep coming up with. I'm even ashamed to admit I was born and raised in Seattle... Back when Seattle was still a "blue" collar town and semi sane before going full retard.
I have zero faith in any libtards ever applying common sense to anything, even at the most basic level. |
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