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Posted: 4/10/2017 8:00:22 PM EDT
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Since WGS (Welcher's...I assume) is building a new indoor facility, is the FNRL you are proposing going to be PCC (Pistol Caliber Carbine)?
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Posted: 4/10/2017 11:03:39 PM EDT
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I've never done that type of shooting meet, but might be game. I'm a local (Dupont). I don't think I could commit to being an RSO though.
What does the course of fire look like? Rob |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 10:03:46 AM EDT
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Still interested. I'll begin reading now and researching for courses...
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Posted: 4/11/2017 10:06:16 AM EDT
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Also, there is a hole in the wall restaurant nearby called, "El Pugarcito", I could talk to them. Knowing the folks there, I'd imagine they'd love the business, and the food is amazing. Good spot for hot sauce trials.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:18:15 AM EDT
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Since WGS (Welcher's...I assume) is building a new indoor facility, is the FNRL you are proposing going to be PCC (Pistol Caliber Carbine)? |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:19:38 AM EDT
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What does the course of fire look like? Rob |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:22:57 AM EDT
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Also, there is a hole in the wall restaurant nearby called, "El Pugarcito", I could talk to them. Knowing the folks there, I'd imagine they'd love the business, and the food is amazing. Good spot for hot sauce trials. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 6:03:30 PM EDT
[#8]
Still interested!
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Posted: 4/11/2017 9:02:47 PM EDT
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I am not sure what the back stop is rated for, nor am I sure what WGS will allow at this time. |
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Posted: 4/11/2017 9:40:32 PM EDT
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Interested.
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:07:40 PM EDT
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Interested.
But I am little annoyed by the OP. Can we clarify what WGS is? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:40:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/12/2017 11:52:07 AM EDT
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Interested. But I am little annoyed by the OP. Can we clarify what WGS is? |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 11:54:15 AM EDT
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Spent 5+ in the sandbox, I get it. |
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Posted: 4/12/2017 7:32:34 PM EDT
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Reading through their Facebook page the, the bays appear to be rated for up to 308 caliber. So I guess PCC would be ok but rifle works fine too, unless I am allowed to bring the company FA MP5
Also, please keep the dark scenarios, my wizard eyes need some loving too |
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Posted: 4/13/2017 1:14:15 AM EDT
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I've never done any of these shoots, I think it'd be a blast. I'd be the wiseass with the 30 Carbine.
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Posted: 4/16/2017 11:05:29 AM EDT
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Crap, that's less than five miles from the hacienda... I'm down!!
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Posted: 4/17/2017 9:54:54 AM EDT
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Reading through their Facebook page the, the bays appear to be rated for up to 308 caliber. So I guess PCC would be ok but rifle works fine too, unless I am allowed to bring the company FA MP5 A weekly rifle league/match....w/ real rifles... Fuck yeah! (Because I already have the rifle.... it'd be expensive to buy new PCC rather than just more ammo for rifle I already have. I already have enough opportunities to exercise my pistols, it be nice to have some opportunity to exercise my AR..... aside from mundane 1-shot/sec static paper punching.... that's not the exercise I was referring to) |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 8:26:45 AM EDT
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Sounds good - I'm in!
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Posted: 4/18/2017 9:50:11 PM EDT
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Interested
what happened to WCA? has anyone thought about WCA north? they have a bay they use for pistol matches |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 10:40:12 AM EDT
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Interested what happened to WCA? has anyone thought about WCA north? they have a bay they use for pistol matches Hopefully a Friday night league wouldn't require membership to the range itself. 
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:19:09 PM EDT
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Interested what happened to WCA? has anyone thought about WCA north? they have a bay they use for pistol matches I am asking WGS as they are new to the Lakewood area, their building appears to be large (although I have not seen a layout). WGS is very close to home for me compared to WCA (West Coast Armory). |
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Posted: 4/19/2017 12:22:12 PM EDT
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I've thought about them.... but they're up north. This would interest me because it's down here in south (puget sound.... not the real south... that'd be an even worse drive). Hopefully a Friday night league wouldn't require membership to the range itself. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:20:44 AM EDT
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Price structure, caliber, ammo, etc restrictions have not been discussed with WGS. They have requested a couple of months of being open before they want to talk. I find their request to be very reasonable; they are opening a new shop, in a new location, giving them time to get their bearings is a good thing. I suspect they will be very busy when they first open with that new gun range smell. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:21:32 AM EDT
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Price structure, caliber, ammo, etc restrictions have not been discussed with WGS. They have requested a couple of months of being open before they want to talk. I find their request to be very reasonable; they are opening a new shop, in a new location, giving them time to get their bearings is a good thing. I suspect they will be very busy when they first open with that new gun range smell. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 11:19:37 PM EDT
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Yup, already have a few guys from my shop interested.
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Posted: 4/30/2017 3:28:16 AM EDT
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I am not sure what the status of the Original FNRL is at this time. I have shot with them, it was a big time commitment to do this every Friday night, which I did for a few years. FNRL is a great group of people to shoot with and learn from. I am sure they will post when they get something worked out with a range. I am asking WGS as they are new to the Lakewood area, their building appears to be large (although I have not seen a layout). WGS is very close to home for me compared to WCA (West Coast Armory). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interested what happened to WCA? has anyone thought about WCA north? they have a bay they use for pistol matches I am asking WGS as they are new to the Lakewood area, their building appears to be large (although I have not seen a layout). WGS is very close to home for me compared to WCA (West Coast Armory). Then he posted something about changing the format for friday night to a plate league that involved drinking shots for missed shots. I wish I were making any of this up, but it really happened. Some people are weird. And that's why I'm canceling my membership to his range and buying a membership elsewhere. But not to hijack the thread - I'd be in for WGS as my travel schedule permits and would be happy to help. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 3:53:57 PM EDT
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I stopped by Welcher's Gun Shop (WGS) 2 weekends ago.
They are open!!! At that time they had 2 bays of longer ranges open. The shorter pistol only rangers were not open. You can shoot long guns in rifle calibers; however, you must use their ammo. So Pistol Caliber Carbines (PCC) will be less expensive to run. The following is taken from their posting on the wall: (this is paraphrased from photos I took while there) Their prices are: Mon to Thurs: $16 an hour to shoot Fri to Sun $18 an hour to shoot. I have no idea what this may mean for FNRL south. There are no memberships Second person on the same lane is $10 per hour. Calibers: All Pistol calibers up to an including 500 S&W Rifle calibers up to and including 7.62x39 No Black Powder If not sure ask the employees. Ammo: Only brass and nickel cased ammo NO steel cased NO aluminum cased NO steel cor or tracer 223/5.56 & 7.62x39 ammo has to be bought from the range, customers can NOT shoot their own ammo in those two calibers. Spent brass can only be picked up in the shooters lane. Range Standards No holsters, or drawing from the holsters. This includes CPL/CCW persons. All magazines have to be unloaded, same with speed loaders. All firearms can only be cased and uncased at the firing line. NO LOOSE FIREARMS!!! Customers must clear their personal firearms at home or in their vehicle. 18 and older to enter the range, and to rent long guns. 21 and older to rent handguns. No spectators, no exceptions. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 7:50:48 PM EDT
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Unless they allow us to use our own ammunition, i'm out.
Sounds like the perfect indoor fudd/noob range and i'm sure they'll make plenty of money from their low education customers. Doesn't sound like a place i'd shoot at for any reason other then FNRL, but with their policy regarding ammunition, I won't do that either. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 7:55:14 PM EDT
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Unless they allow us to use our own ammunition, i'm out. I saw no prohibition on reloaded ammo. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:57:41 PM EDT
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That appears to only be in 223/556 and 7.62x39; all other ammo can be your own. I saw no prohibition on reloaded ammo. |
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Posted: 6/21/2017 2:09:06 AM EDT
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That appears to only be in 223/556 and 7.62x39; all other ammo can be your own. I saw no prohibition on reloaded ammo. |
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Posted: 6/21/2017 4:51:25 AM EDT
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I saw that is was open and dropped in. Agreed that probably will not shoot there because of having to use their ammo in my guns. Too bad as it is closer than going out to WCA to shoot. Hopefully this will change.
Sir James... |
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Posted: 6/21/2017 1:06:07 PM EDT
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I saw those rules and prices when I dropped in, too. Not very exciting due to cost and ammo restriction for 5.56 and 7.62x39. But you do kinda have to understand where they are coming from...that's the only way they can be sure people aren't shooting steel core/penetrator ammo and it is their right to protect their business and facility.
$16/$18 an HOUR? I am rarely at the range less than that so I would likely feel rushed or have to pay extra. HOWEVER, from what the guys told me, they do have some cool features in the range (was told this, not confirmed by using the range). The targets have a controller which you can use to send the target to the exact range you wish to shoot. And they have edge/turn capability so you can practice more than just straight bullseye shooting. Also keep in mind that this is a NEW range and the owners/managers are also NEW (assuming same ownership and management as the Welcher's "old time gun shop"). They will likely have some evolution and education as they get experience running the range getting to know their clients and their needs. I have always like Welcher's since they used to be my "neighborhood gun shop" when I live a couple blocks away in Tacoma. I'm going to give then a chance. Rob |
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Posted: 6/21/2017 2:08:34 PM EDT
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That appears to only be in 223/556 and 7.62x39; all other ammo can be your own. I saw no prohibition on reloaded ammo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Unless they allow us to use our own ammunition, i'm out. I saw no prohibition on reloaded ammo.
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Posted: 6/21/2017 2:16:47 PM EDT
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Unless they allow us to use our own ammunition, i'm out. Sounds like the perfect indoor fudd/noob range and i'm sure they'll make plenty of money from their low education customers. Doesn't sound like a place i'd shoot at for any reason other then FNRL, but with their policy regarding ammunition, I won't do that either. |
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Posted: 6/27/2017 1:16:21 PM EDT
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Yep, I called about pricing and I'm out.
We bitch about ammo taxes in Seattle but it's our own that are nickel and diming us. |
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Posted: 6/30/2017 12:30:14 AM EDT
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Yep, I called about pricing and I'm out. We bitch about ammo taxes in Seattle but it's our own that are nickel and diming us. Fuck the everyday guy and let's find out what departments and agencies we can run through our minty fresh range. I bet they don't roll out the same restrictions on ammo to any LE/MIL group that comes in and shoots. I don't give a fuck at this point. I wish them the best and if anything, we'll remember years from now when their range business dries up. It happens to EVERY single indoor range. Especially one that finds itself in Lakehood. Maybe WGS should have asked Quantico why they moved up to the Tacoma Mall area? 
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Posted: 7/4/2017 2:52:28 PM EDT
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I'm most certainly in.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 3:07:53 PM EDT
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It sucks that you need to use range ammo, but one box of 50 isn't a big deal. It's a dollar or two more than what you would shoot. The ability to shoot and move without having to: 1) be active mil/LEO; 2) drive out into the forest and hope no one else is shooting is invaluable.
I loved FNRL but I took it for granted. Hopefully all the people involved at WCA can let bygones be bygones and bring it back in bellevue, too.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 7/19/2017 9:26:36 AM EDT
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Yep, I called about pricing and I'm out. We bitch about ammo taxes in Seattle but it's our own that are nickel and diming us. Places like this need to understand we buy stuff while we're in their facility. Eyes on new guns, accessories, etc. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 11:47:19 PM EDT
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All things considered, since hanging out with the people is more important for me then the actual shooting, if this goes, I'll give it a shot with a couple of PPC's rather then rifles.
Bite the bullet so-to -speak for the bigger picture. Also give WGS a chance to re-set the rules with a bit of rational discussion. If not, they'll lose the business, but I'll at least give them a chance to earn it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 5:41:21 PM EDT
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Definitely interested here.
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Posted: 8/1/2017 7:35:53 PM EDT
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I was really interested up to the point where I had to buy and use their ammo. I have some minor heartburn with some of their other rules, but understand that it is their house, so they get to make the rules.
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Posted: 8/29/2017 3:16:30 PM EDT
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Stopped by last night to ask about a FNRL South.
My request will be sent to the Owner. It does not look good at this time. I am sorry to have gotten anyone's hopes up with this. Remember that Wades in Bellevue will have FNRL (the original) starting Sept 1. Yes, I know this is a long drive. FNRL is a good group of people. Discount Guns in Federal Way has a Tuesday Night Tactical League (I think that is what it is called). |
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Posted: 8/30/2017 4:32:47 PM EDT
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Stopped by last night to ask about a FNRL South. My request will be sent to the Owner. It does not look good at this time. I am sorry to have gotten anyone's hopes up with this. Remember that Wades in Bellevue will have FNRL (the original) starting Sept 1. Yes, I know this is a long drive. FNRL is a good group of people. Discount Guns in Federal Way has a Tuesday Night Tactical League (I think that is what it is called). |
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Posted: 8/30/2017 4:42:57 PM EDT
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Sorry found the info in the thread related to wades.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:29:55 AM EDT
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Stopped by last night to ask about a FNRL South. My request will be sent to the Owner. It does not look good at this time. I am sorry to have gotten anyone's hopes up with this. Remember that Wades in Bellevue will have FNRL (the original) starting Sept 1. Yes, I know this is a long drive. FNRL is a good group of people. Discount Guns in Federal Way has a Tuesday Night Tactical League (I think that is what it is called). |
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