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Posted: 9/7/2010 11:26:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 11:29:54 PM EDT by Tweak]
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:33:50 PM EDT
Awesome...

Still both bad ass to me though.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 5:37:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 5:39:19 AM EDT by PCR-00]
Stealing this.

ETA: I do have a question about that model of night vision goggles...
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:55:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PCR-00:
ETA: I do have a question about that model of night vision goggles...


Made by Oakley, didn't even know they made them, huh? Only for the super tacticool operators! (as seen on call of duty and other video games!)
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:08:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 7:08:35 AM EDT by Road-kill]
Wait,......................are you trying to say we're fighting our fore fathers ??

Because I've heard they don't eat pork (rancid or not) and the biscuit is more like a falafel.

and I've never seen them pictured in a white uniform



I just find the comparison interesting..................


Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:16:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Road-kill:



Canadiens........
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:17:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 7:18:28 AM EDT by GrabMyWrist]
Really?



vs



Our soldiers are the finest fighting force in the world today. Why shouldn't they have the very best, when it comes to defending themselves and this country?
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:29:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 7:29:41 AM EDT by Road-kill]
Originally Posted By Matt45:

Originally Posted By Road-kill:



Canadiens........


??????????????????

Sometimes you have to step outside the door to view the house.

My comment was neither a critisism or a judgment but simply and observation on how a different comparison could be made.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:46:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Road-kill:
Originally Posted By Matt45:

Originally Posted By Road-kill:



Canadiens........


??????????????????

Sometimes you have to step outside the door to view the house.

My comment was neither a critisism or a judgment but simply and observation on how a different comparison could be made.

So you're a sensitive tough guy?

Dammit...make up your mind so I can figure out how to best tease the ever living shit out of you.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 8:05:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Matt45:

Originally Posted By Road-kill:
Originally Posted By Matt45:

Originally Posted By Road-kill:



Canadiens........


??????????????????

Sometimes you have to step outside the door to view the house.

My comment was neither a critisism or a judgment but simply and observation on how a different comparison could be made.

So you're a sensitive tough guy?

Dammit...make up your mind so I can figure out how to best tease the ever living shit out of you.


Not at all, I was just offering a different perspective. I realize immigrants are viewed a little different, but I will play it as a card when it suits a situation.
(See the "Decision Decision thread" where I threw out a challenge to try and kick my canuckian ass,..............after all, canadian can't shoot worth a shit, (Perry & Furlong excepted)
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 8:13:26 AM EDT
Let's face it, life for ALL of us is easier than it was for our forefathers.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 10:10:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 10:12:16 AM EDT by thedaledoe]
I don't see any NVG's, the M4 with all that shit weighs well over 10 lbs.

Although one thing is probably the same. Shitty officers ordering their men into unnecessarily risky situations to make themselves look better and get their full bird.

ETA: and my deployment was 15 months not 1 year.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 1:40:29 PM EDT
The new NVGs will have thermal capability........we own the night..............
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 1:42:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
The new NVGs will have thermal capability........we own the night..............

Yeah, saw a pair of em right before I got out. Pretty sweet. CG was showing em off to his minions.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 2:34:22 PM EDT
We had some and played with them.....and then they went right back into the arms room. Word was they cost 15k each
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 2:41:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
We had some and played with them.....and then they went right back into the arms room. Word was they cost 15k each


Did you read the GD thread about the guy that bought one of the thermal scopes as broken surplus for a couple hundred and replaced the battery cover and it fired right up?

T
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 4:44:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kolat:
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
We had some and played with them.....and then they went right back into the arms room. Word was they cost 15k each


Did you read the GD thread about the guy that bought one of the thermal scopes as broken surplus for a couple hundred and replaced the battery cover and it fired right up?

T


They dont DRMO bodyarmor...but they DRMO thermal optics??
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 5:01:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Originally Posted By Kolat:
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
We had some and played with them.....and then they went right back into the arms room. Word was they cost 15k each


Did you read the GD thread about the guy that bought one of the thermal scopes as broken surplus for a couple hundred and replaced the battery cover and it fired right up?

T


They dont DRMO bodyarmor...but they DRMO thermal optics??

Wonder if:

1. One is an "implement of war" and one is not

or

2. The armor is considered "expired" and would open DRMO to legal issues if someone bought it, used it, and it didn't work.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 5:04:56 PM EDT
They don't DRMO body armor because the .gov types don't think joe civilian should have it. And these days it is all being passed on to the Iraq and Afghanistan gubments just like or used up vehicles.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 5:13:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 5:13:34 PM EDT by 161Infantry]
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Originally Posted By thedaledoe:
They don't DRMO body armor because the .gov types don't think joe civilian should have it. And these days it is all being passed on to the Iraq and Afghanistan gubments just like or used up vehicles.
They have been cutting them up with large ban saws....from what I was told last time I hit DRMO.............

Link Posted: 9/8/2010 5:56:49 PM EDT
Sad. I know they were(at one point) taking the black SAPI plates they were exchanging for the green ESAPI's to incoming units in Kuwait and shipping them off to the Iraqi Army.

So my supply guy said anyway.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:13:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 9:17:59 PM EDT by Madcap72]
18th century tribesmen?




Where I was we were up against BM-21's, M113's with TOW hammerheads, and artillary that outranged ours...


Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:25:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Originally Posted By Kolat:
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
We had some and played with them.....and then they went right back into the arms room. Word was they cost 15k each


Did you read the GD thread about the guy that bought one of the thermal scopes as broken surplus for a couple hundred and replaced the battery cover and it fired right up?

T


They dont DRMO bodyarmor...but they DRMO thermal optics??

Ask TacticalWookie, the list of shit they DO surplus is as as the shit they don't.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:03:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thedaledoe:
Sad. I know they were(at one point) taking the black SAPI plates they were exchanging for the green ESAPI's to incoming units in Kuwait and shipping them off to the Iraqi Army.

So my supply guy said anyway.
Thats probably all OCONUS property easier and cheaper to give it away there than bring it back or destroy it in theater...

Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:06:41 PM EDT
That shit doesn't weigh 6.9 lbs. with the ACOG, 203, and PEQ-2 on it...but yeah, that is pretty cool. Sometimes we forget just how damn rough guys had it back in the day.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:32:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Originally Posted By thedaledoe:
Sad. I know they were(at one point) taking the black SAPI plates they were exchanging for the green ESAPI's to incoming units in Kuwait and shipping them off to the Iraqi Army.

So my supply guy said anyway.
Thats probably all OCONUS property easier and cheaper to give it away there than bring it back or destroy it in theater...

Who knows, but the people that did that exchange had the regular SAPIs issued at CIF and came home with the ESAPIs. No idea if their clothing record got corrected but thats what they get for missing RFI.

Link Posted: 9/8/2010 8:04:52 PM EDT
More Joes on Page #2
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 8:13:27 PM EDT
Only ARFCOM does a group of people pick apart a joke, err reminder, err something.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 8:22:02 PM EDT
I want to carry the 6.9 pound fucking air weight m4 with all that way light weight shit on it.

Next deployment. Dibbs.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 8:22:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
I want to carry the 6.9 pound fucking air weight m4 with all that way light weight shit on it.

Next deployment. Dibbs.


Exactly. Got that and the NODs wrong, for sure!
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 9:20:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CrownAndSeven:
Only ARFCOM does a group of people, comprised of many former and current service members, pick apart a joke, err reminder, err something.


Semper!
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 5:26:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Road-kill:
Wait,......................are you trying to say we're fighting our fore fathers ??

Because I've heard they don't eat pork (rancid or not) and the biscuit is more like a falafel.

and I've never seen them pictured in a white uniform



I just find the comparison interesting..................




Indeed. 200 yrs ago, GB was the shit, and we were the ragheads rag tag "army" that couldn't even feed or shoe our troops...and we fought "dishonorably", firing from behind IED's trees, and worse––we deliberately aimed for their officers.



Not a combat vet, but it seems to me that war is a very fluid situation, and the willingness of the home front to support it is as important as the frontline itself. The troops can be tough as nails...but if they are spit on when they come home (or while they are there), that affects things.

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 7:34:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Red_Pill:
<snip>

Not a combat vet, but it seems to me that war is a very fluid situation, and the willingness of the home front to support it is as important as the frontline itself. The troops can be tough as nails...but if they are spit on when they come home (or while they are there), that affects things.



Sadly its our political leaders that are defeating us.

This nice idea that we should fight a nice clean war against an enemy so we don't kill to many of them.


War is war, play to win or go home. Play for a tie and your just losing good men in a wasted cause.

War is NOT suppost to be nice.




YMMV.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 12:32:03 PM EDT
If you don't like what you see...
Don't look.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:03:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Pill:
we fought "dishonorably", firing from behind IED's trees, and worse––we deliberately aimed for their officers.

True initially but by the end we were fighting, and beating, England on her own terms thanks to the French and that dilettante Prussian drill instructor.

There are phases to any insurgency and any one that goes long enough (and picks up a foreign sponsor) ends in a conventional war. The NVA didn't ride water buffalo into Saigon in '75.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 7:50:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Road-kill:
Originally Posted By Red_Pill:
<snip>

Not a combat vet, but it seems to me that war is a very fluid situation, and the willingness of the home front to support it is as important as the frontline itself. The troops can be tough as nails...but if they are spit on when they come home (or while they are there), that affects things.



Sadly its our political leaders that are defeating us.

This nice idea that we should fight a nice clean war against an enemy so we don't kill to many of them.


War is war, play to win or go home. Play for a tie and your just losing good men in a wasted cause.

War is NOT suppost to be nice.




YMMV.


True all, but I find the comment in red verruh interesting...."our political leaders are defeating us." The French said much the same in 1954 (end of the Indochina conflict). They weren't defeated on the battlefield, but in Paris.

France at the time was about to go full-bore socialist; I wonder if we are....wait, never mind, we're almost there.

Interesting times we live in, eh?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 8:33:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedaledoe:

Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Originally Posted By thedaledoe:
Sad. I know they were(at one point) taking the black SAPI plates they were exchanging for the green ESAPI's to incoming units in Kuwait and shipping them off to the Iraqi Army.

So my supply guy said anyway.
Thats probably all OCONUS property easier and cheaper to give it away there than bring it back or destroy it in theater...

Who knows, but the people that did that exchange had the regular SAPIs issued at CIF and came home with the ESAPIs. No idea if their clothing record got corrected but thats what they get for missing RFI.


The first rule of supply... In God we trust. All others will sign a hand reciept.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 8:35:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By coug91:

Originally Posted By thedaledoe:

Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Originally Posted By thedaledoe:
Sad. I know they were(at one point) taking the black SAPI plates they were exchanging for the green ESAPI's to incoming units in Kuwait and shipping them off to the Iraqi Army.

So my supply guy said anyway.
Thats probably all OCONUS property easier and cheaper to give it away there than bring it back or destroy it in theater...

Who knows, but the people that did that exchange had the regular SAPIs issued at CIF and came home with the ESAPIs. No idea if their clothing record got corrected but thats what they get for missing RFI.


The first rule of supply... In God we trust. All others will sign a hand reciept.
Keep copies of everything....fyi..hard copy hand reciepts are only legal for one year from date of signing......thats why we have OCIE show downs and resigning yearly..

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 11:14:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PCR-00:
Stealing this.

ETA: I do have a question about that model of night vision goggles...


Apparently it's a Mk-1, Mod-0 eyeball.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:21:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kolat:
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
We had some and played with them.....and then they went right back into the arms room. Word was they cost 15k each


Did you read the GD thread about the guy that bought one of the thermal scopes as broken surplus for a couple hundred and replaced the battery cover and it fired right up?

T


I vaguely remember that thread, but these are different thermals. They're like PVS 14's, but tan and run thermal. They can go 2x and take digital recordings. Pretty badass. I would lose my mind if I lost one or was responsible for a lost one.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:22:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thedaledoe:
Sad. I know they were(at one point) taking the black SAPI plates they were exchanging for the green ESAPI's to incoming units in Kuwait and shipping them off to the Iraqi Army.

So my supply guy said anyway.


Oh and this is Fact. IA and Pesh definitely had our old black SAPIs
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 5:32:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Road-kill:
This nice idea that we should fight a nice clean war against an enemy so we don't kill to many of them.

War is war, play to win or go home. Play for a tie and your just losing good men in a wasted cause.

War is NOT suppost to be nice.

YMMV.


Originally Posted By BusySquirrel:
war SHOULD be ended as quickly as possible, war is hell. That's why it's supposed to be a last resort.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 5:42:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
Originally Posted By Kolat:
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
We had some and played with them.....and then they went right back into the arms room. Word was they cost 15k each


Did you read the GD thread about the guy that bought one of the thermal scopes as broken surplus for a couple hundred and replaced the battery cover and it fired right up?

T


I vaguely remember that thread, but these are different thermals. They're like PVS 14's, but tan and run thermal. They can go 2x and take digital recordings. Pretty badass. I would lose my mind if I lost one or was responsible for a lost one.
I had the misfortune of driving our Commander and a Platoon Sgt to Doha from FOB New York......the E7 misplaced his PVS14s on a bus and a paki turned them in to CID....that was an uncomfortable ride.......

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 5:45:20 PM EDT
hahaha, or a guy who misplaced 4 BFT hard drives on the haj bus, or the guy who lost his M4/68/peq2, or the guy who lost the CHATS computer......amazing what can happen. I would've liked to have heard your conversation though
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 5:51:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 5:51:49 PM EDT by 161Infantry]
Originally Posted By scoutfsu99:
hahaha, or a guy who misplaced 4 BFT hard drives on the haj bus, or the guy who lost his M4/68/peq2, or the guy who lost the CHATS computer......amazing what can happen. I would've liked to have heard your conversation though


Moments of extreme silence interlaced with cussing/screaming from the CMDR the occasional sob...the BN CMDR reamed his ass....the E7...acted like...WTF....really is it that big a deal...which simply poured more gas on the fire............I got to go to the PX at DOHA though, so that was a plus.......that E7 made MSG eventually....good guy...shit happens.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 6:30:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 6:32:12 PM EDT by thedaledoe]
Eh, only pvs-14's. Can buy em on the internet.

ETA: The best stories(hypothetical of course ) are the ones where desperate officers and arms room personnel frantically try to "recreate" serial numbers with a metal file and a sharp, pointy object.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 6:41:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thedaledoe:
Eh, only pvs-14's. Can buy em on the internet.

ETA: The best stories(hypothetical of course ) are the ones where desperate officers and arms room personnel frantically try to "recreate" serial numbers with a metal file and a sharp, pointy object.


Or a dremel for the HQ PSG's missing ACOG?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 7:03:51 PM EDT
Bring your own shit.
If you've paid for it, you take better care of it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 7:12:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DrewXD:
Bring your own shit.
If you've paid for it, you take better care of it.
Some units dont allow it....

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 7:14:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 7:14:49 PM EDT by DrewXD]

Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
Originally Posted By DrewXD:
Bring your own shit.
If you've paid for it, you take better care of it.
Some units dont allow it....


Fuck them!


ETA: With Matt45's dick!
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 7:20:01 PM EDT
I used my own optics. Eotech and ACOG. When my CO asked my what happened to my M68 I told him its hard to turn it on without a power knob.

This was in Kuwait just days before we flew up to BIAP.
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