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I don't know.  I heard Dober's meat was pretty tasty.

I would like to see one of the  many "experts" here talk a crazed individual with... a knife... I'll be easy... a knife and see if they will comply and drop it.  You MIGHT get lucky once, but I would put money on the fact that you'll get stabbed the second time around.

While in the Army, as the BN Staff Duty NCO, I "once" disarmed a pissed and drunk paratrooper armed with a 3-4" knife blade WITH only a mop rigger and that was STUPID on my behalf and I would NEVER do that again!!  I was lucky... Once.

I should have called the MPs who would have shot his dumb ass,  but the BN Commander's standing order was that NO MPs WILL EVER BE CALLED... Period.

Life isn't like the movies or a video game.   You fuck up, it over for you and in real life, there isn't no second chance and dead means "dead" and I feel safe to say, you're not coming back.

As for the cops to stand down in the State of Washington... for kung fu/judo/akido training(??) or more social work insight training, I'm sure the cops would love it, but what the phuck would the average "libtard" do as his wife and daughter is being raped by some loser... I mean a  "Misunderstood person" while the cops are in their "get in touch" training...  Who would that retard call??  THE POLICE!!!!!!

If you feel that the cops are nazis or commies, than join a police force and see if your "style" in law enforcement works...  I would put money on the fact after you get the shit kick out of you, that's if you are lucky and if you "survived" your first encounter, you will grow up and realize that their are some REALLY bad people out there who have no problems in killing people for the shit of it.

Plus, you will be pretty loney since nobody would work with you since they most likey value their lives.

BTW, most body armor will not stop a blades or ice picks and a vest doesn't cover your head/neck either.

Seriouly, its not easy to get into a full-time LEO position and it will take some effort since there is no shortage of individuals wanting to join, but put your ass where your mouth is and give it a go.

I was born and raised in Seattle... In the less than best areas and I know that there are monsters out there.  I still remember when a woman was shot, 3 times in the chest, in the parking lot of Safeway, next to Holly Park back in the late 70s and the TWO cops  trying to save her life by giving her CPR, without success.  To this day, I still remember the look on their faces when there was no response.  

I'm proud of our cops and the job they do since I can go to work at night without worrying too much about somebody trying to kill/rob/rape my family...  When I'm not at home.

Very well said.  Thnak you.

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Kill 'em all. God knows his own.

geeze...another thread goes ghey

You're coming in cold here. Have you even seen one (of the many) prior cop shooting thread in this HTF in the last 2 years? Very few of the unusually high number of LE enforcement incidents resulting in a fatality involved a knife. The responses and emotions/opinions in the WAHTF threads concerning these shooting are cumulative and require prior knowledge of events to be fully understood. While some of the shootings are no brainer good shoots (like someone failing to drop a knife), others are shrouded in controversy and are being contested in a court of law. One shoot even resulted in a murder charge against the officer. So with that said, lurk more and post less before you waltz in here uninvited and tell us where the fucking trains stops.

Except the cops are questioned. A real investigation occurs, with second to second timelines, every step and every word is questioned and re-examined, and 1000+ page reports are generated.

This is was the guy that used a gun to threaten the county works guys spraying weed killer. They called the cops, and when they showed up, he drew down on them.  Surprise! They shot him.



You don't get shot for committing a crime. You get shot to stop you from hurting or killing someone else. Mr Wasilchen made a choice to threaten the lives of the county workers, and the responding deputies.

LGB, relax. ARFcom doesn't let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy or argument.

I don't belisve that is correct. Please provide some proof of that statement. The Sheriff claimed he had a handgun when they responded. I never saw the County worker claim a handgun was pointed at him. I did see however other citizens say what a fucking control freak asshole the county worker was. Please back up your statement with a verifiable source that he threatened the county weed sprayer with a firearm and I will humbly stand corrected.

I don't think the gun became involved untill the deaputies showed up and if I remember correctlly the weed guy charged ahead of the officers causeing the home owner to draw his weapon because he had told the weed guy to stay off his property.

So IMO yes the weed guy is the cause of this whole mess but the homeowner should have dropped his weapon when ordered to do so by two uniformed Sheriff deputies.

LGB has the 411

I stand corrected. He did not have the gun in hand. He did threaten to get his gun.  Thats when the police were called. He did have the gun in hand and threatened the officers when they arrived.

bergunx and Lord Grey Boots:  excellent posts.

I thought someone posted a link in one of the past threads that showed the weed killer event to be:


weed killer trespasses IAW county policy

homeowner uninvites him and commands him to leave or homeowner will get a gun

weed killer leaves property, goes into town and tells cops he was threatened

cops head to property

weed killer beats them there, and charges onto property (without the cavalry) he's been uninvited to (because he's instantly superhumanly bullet proof now that the cops are enroute)

homeowner yells at weed killer that he is now knowingly entering a property he's unwelcome on, gets gun, does not point it at weed killer, continues yelling

cops arrive to see an angry man with a gun. they have not been threatened, but since the weed killer came to town with reports of brandishing/threats of assault, they point guns at homeowner and tell him to drop his gun.

op ed:(If the homeowner had pointed his gun at the cops, everyone would say that was a lethal threat. Yet, because they are in uniform, they are magically unpossible of mistakes in a moment of tension, and he should not feel threatened when they point guns at him. Nope, no double standard, two class policy there...)

Homeowners tries to explain that weed killer is the problem, not the 5-0, but because tensions are high, and he hasn't dropped the gun while explaining his side (still with an excited yell) he is shot and killed.

I guess if we learn nothing else from the weed killer incident we should remember:

The first one to call the cops is the one who'll be believed to be the victim. At least, until the day in court, and maybe afterwards too...

SO I guess you missed the part where the homeowner pointed the weapon at the deputies?

I didn't say he didn't, I wasn't at the scene when it all went down. I was referring to the information available last time this subject came up (before the investigation was complete).

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Yeah, ya know...what I learned from the incident is to NOT point a weapon at cops, NOT argue heatedly with cops while having a weapon in hand, and to DROP said weapon if LEO's have weapons in hand and are telling me to drop it.



Oh wait...I already knew those things.  It's called common sense.



 

What I learned from the incident is LEO is busy confronting private property owners who don't want their weeds sprayed when they should be tracking dangerous felons.

The cops shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's private property. They should have arrested fuckstick weed spray man for trespassing and called it a day.

Nothing wrong with cops wanting to stay alive. I want them alive too in order to for us to do the above. I pay taxes, so somebody who knows the job will do it. I don't desire to be one.
Problem is as I said, ROE's and training is either bad, or not applied correctly. Or maybe the "alert" level by DHS has been increased to the point where shoot first happens.
If society accepts the side collateral then there shouldn't be a problem with the deaths.
So how many should that be and whom? I certainly wouldn't want to be a collateral.



ETA: Thank you for your service!
 

What I learned from this incident is that I wasn't there to witness the events firsthand, that I'm not likely to ever seen the findings of the investigation that was conducted and therefore will probably never know all the facts, and that forming an opinion based on reports given by the news media (with their inherent bias one way or the other, lack of all the facts, and general lack of trustworthiness) and then arguing that opinion on an online forum to the point of apparently creating hard feelings with people I consider to be friends, is pretty fucking retarded.

I see what you did there, and apologize if I offended people here.



My intent was to discuss, and certainly not to disparage LE nor .mil.



I fully support our LEOs and .mil and thank them for their service.



It's a very difficult job to do, and I recognize that.

Dober are you serious?

What should have happened:

1. The weed killer should have informed the property owner first, if the owner doesn't consent, then it's trespassing. there must be legal justification to enter a property.

2. The homeowner should drop the gun when directed by the cops. It's training 101, when having a tense situation with police, de-escalate, and put away your guns first.

3. Police should also have done their homework first, there're 2 sides of the story. A human life was taken because a 1 sided story was heard.

Yup. That's exactly what I said.



I did say in my op ed portion that it's a double standard to treat aiming a gun at someone as assault, unless it's a cop aiming the gun.

But you're just plain fabricating shit to try and say I said not to drop the gun. I know you're butthurt that I asked you if you really said what you said (when you implied cops can't offer a better service for the dollar), but the difference was that I didn't blatantly put words in your mouth. Now run along now, it's obvious you choose not to carry on intelligent discourse about the actual subject instead of trying to prolong your e-grudge..

Damn dude, just drop it, you're wrong.

It's not that  won't drop "it", (whatever "it" is)  it's that you're implying I siad something I didn't. I wasn't there for the event, the only thing I've done was say what happened in a past thread. How is that wrong?

I get that you've made up your mind that anyone holding a gun when the police arrive deserves to be shot, ignoring how long he's given to drop it, or if he doesn't hear, or anything else, but your stubbornness and refusal to read what I've quoted twice (said thrice) doesn't magically rule me wrong about what I remember. Nice non-sequitor. I suppose, if I remember incorrectly, you could find that thread in the archives and show me, but it's so much easier to try and pretend like it's me with the issue.

But don't worry, I'm not trying to change your mind: you can choose to be as hardheaded as you want, I can't/won't stop ya.

Indeed, and by your logic, I'm the one more likely to survive an encounter with LEO.  

Remember, next time you're waving a knife at cops, don't put it down just because they tell you too.  Keep waving it, fuck them, right?

Again, your arguments are beginning to border on full retard.  

My comments weren't directed at any one individual (there's more than one of you that needs to step away from the keyboard for awhile!).  It was just my way of saying "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics; even if you win, you're still a 'tard."