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Posted: 12/15/2005 9:36:09 PM EDT
Leave the link cold please, you'll just have to copy and paste it into your browser.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/252058_gunshowed.asp


Should all firearms sales by collectors and other private sellers at gun shows require the buyer to first undergo a national background check?

44.1% Yes.
55.0% No.
0.9% Don't know or care.
Total Votes: 422






Opinion

Thursday, December 15, 2005

Firearms Sales: Gun-show gap

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD

The Nov. 30 shootings at the Tacoma Mall are blamed on a man with a felony record that made it illegal for him to buy or possess firearms -- illegal but obviously not impossible.

That criminals shouldn't have guns is an area of public policy where we would hope that advocates of gun control and advocates of Second Amendment rights may come close -- but not quite -- to agreement.

The division comes over the effectiveness of legal restrictions and the burden those restrictions may place on law-abiding citizens, including those who own or want to purchase firearms for their own protection -- against criminals.

Firearms sales through licensed dealers in Washington require the buyer to either have a concealed pistol license or undergo a national background check of criminal, mental health and domestic violence records, as well as a five-day waiting period. Licensed dealers must also follow those rules while selling at gun shows.

But private sellers are not under those restrictions, even at gun shows. That makes gun-show sales a potential firearms source for those who cannot legally buy from a licensed dealer.

Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske has joined Washington CeaseFire in a reasoned call for lawmakers to require background checks on all gun-show firearms sales.

Gun-rights advocates rightly argue that the determined criminal may well find a way to get a gun. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't make it as difficult as possible.


Link Posted: 12/15/2005 10:06:53 PM EDT
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Should all firearms sales by collectors and other private sellers at gun shows require the buyer to first undergo a national background check?
43.4% Yes.
55.7% No.
0.9% Don't know or care.
Total Votes: 431
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 10:10:33 PM EDT
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43.3% Yes. 55.8% No.


0.9% Don't know or care.


Total Votes: 432
Link Posted: 12/15/2005 11:52:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2005 12:20:04 AM EDT
40.8% Yes.
58.3% No.
0.9% Don't know or care.


Total Votes: 458
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 1:27:50 AM EDT
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58.5 no
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 2:31:03 AM EDT
Y 40.5%
N 58.6%
U 0.9%

T = 464

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 3:42:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:16:52 AM EDT
Hit and 61.1% no as of a few minutes ago.

Have you read any of the comments? Good stuff.

Trey
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:29:54 AM EDT
Hit x5
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:53:50 AM EDT
Done.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:17:05 AM EDT
Don't be suprised if the poll vanishes from the site.

There is chatter on one of my email lists about it already having happened to this poll.
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:55:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:
Don't be suprised if the poll vanishes from the site.

There is chatter on one of my email lists about it already having happened to this poll.



As of this momment, it's still up and running 63.6% no.

Trey
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:25:15 AM EDT
Hit it.

576 Total Votes
63.9% NO
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:35:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:51:05 AM EDT
No 64.3

Yes 34.8

Don't Care 0.9

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 10:31:58 AM EDT

Posted by Will in Seattle at 12/15/05 10:56 a.m.
As a former active military member who has been on counter-terrorism operations, I find it shocking that the red commie Bushies in the Socialist party known as Republicans can leave such a massive gaping hole in our national defense open for all to drive explosive-filled trucks thru.



Gawd-damn, that's some funny shit!!
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 10:49:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2005 10:50:33 AM EDT by herb_e_vore]
Still up and hit from here.

Should all firearms sales by collectors and other private sellers at gun shows require the buyer to first undergo a national background check?
Yes. 34.6%
No. 64.6%
Don't know or care. 0.8%
Total Votes: 590


Link Posted: 12/16/2005 5:12:57 PM EDT
yes 32.1%

No 67.2%
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 7:29:02 PM EDT
30.6%Yes. 68.6%No.
0.7% Don't know or care.
Total Votes: 692
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 8:42:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twoducetrey:

Have you read any of the comments? Good stuff.

Trey




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Posted by whinenot at 12/15/05 10:46 a.m.

For the gun advocates who mouth the same rhetoric (propaganda) as the NRA, please go back and actually read the constitution.

First, our founding fathers specifically added the phrase 'for the purpose of forming a well regulated militia'. This wasn't accidental, nor can the phrase 'for the purpose of' be ignored.


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THis guy is making it way too easy---He is taking all the fun out of it!!!!.........he must be looking at a copy that was faxed to him by Dan Rather from a Kinkos in Texas or something...........

ATTENTION ALL LIBERALS

"You can have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts."
Link Posted: 12/16/2005 9:07:22 PM EDT
You know there's a really neat thing I picked up at Barnes & Nobel this past weekend. Its a very nicely bound blue book in a hard slip cover with the Great Seal of the United States embossed on the slip cover in gold. The book contains The Constituiton of the United States with the Declaration of Independence and the Articles of Confederation. Its $15.00.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The Preamble to the Constituion of the United States

We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 10:23:23 PM EDT
I'm a little proud of myself. I don't know why, exactly. I may not even have a good reason to be proud of myself. Judge for yourself. probably just because I didn't lose my temper, or resort to name calling, or quote any bullsh|t statistics.

Here is the comment I left on th PI's website, verbatim, spelling errors and all:


Replace the words in parentheses with anything you want, and use it for whatever you don't like or don't understand in the world.

"I would like to put much more strict purchasing and ownership controls on (vehicles) of all kinds. Clearly, the majority these (vehicles) are used by conscientious and careful owners, but there are a few (vehicle) owners out there that are careless, reckless, or just plain and flat out use their (vehicles) to injure others, usually innocnet people that have done nothing to deserve what happens to them.

"(Vehicles) are so vastly underregulated that a teenager that isn't even an adult can buy a (vehicle) privately from an individual or collector, and without any kind of check or test, be out in the public with a (vehicle). Not even legally allowed to make so many decisions about their life, but they have a (vehicle), one of the most deadly inventions since the dawn of man.

"Also, there is the use of dangerous drugs and/or alcohol to take into consideration. So many (vehicle) accidents are due to the use of drugs or alcohol. If we really want to reduce the number of people hurt or killed in (vehicle) accidents, then we MUST also do something about the drug and alcohol problems in this country!

"How about making (gasoline) more expensive? That would mena that only folks that have higher incomes, and therefore must be smarter, more mature, and worthy of (vehicle) and (gasoline) ownership, these people would have the ability to purchase (vehicles) and (gasoline). Statistics show an alarming amount of lower income, lower education level people in this country cause more of the accidents with (vehicles) and (gasoline) in this country.

"Stiffer criminal penalties should be enacted across the country for the misuse of (vehicles) and (gasoline). This will only be temporary, until the wise elected officials decide what to do about getting rid of dangerous (vehicles), (gasoline), and their murderous owners."

Hey, I like this gun control rhetoric. I think I'll use it for all kinds of stuff. Thanks, folks!

spamlovr@gmail.com
"Guns only do one thing very well: Cause and control a chemical reaction to propel a projectile in a straight path, normally under no control. To cause a person or something of value to be in that bullets path usually takes a person, of which normally there is no control, either. People cause crime and suffering, not guns. No gun will ever demand your wallet in a dark alley."
Me

Link Posted: 12/16/2005 10:28:25 PM EDT
As of 11:26PM:

Should all firearms sales by collectors and other private sellers at gun shows require the buyer to first undergo a national background check?
Yes. 30.1%
No. 69.2%
Don't know or care. 0.7%

Total Votes: 712

I doubt we had anything to do with it.
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