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Posted: 8/4/2017 10:33:05 AM EDT
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There are some sheep over on Calguns who have registered.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 1:46:46 PM EDT
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Nope. Nothing to register.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 3:35:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Fucking Calguns and their collaborators!
Where's the guy with the double fuck you? That's what I got for those pussy assed muther fuckers! Register what? All I have are featureless guns. If you register now and there's an injunction or it gets thrown out, do you think they'll toss out your paperwork? |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 7:11:04 PM EDT
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Sheep love being sheep.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 8:58:43 PM EDT
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Nope
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Posted: 8/4/2017 9:44:13 PM EDT
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Nope. Nothing to register. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 11:03:27 AM EDT
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I admit I too will wait for a while until the NRA's new law suit takes effect. I want to keep my AW's as is without butchering the looks of them and so will register when it's ready in full. All I ask is to be left alone to enjoy my shooting range pleasures.
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:04:59 PM EDT
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I admit I too will wait for a while until the NRA's new law suit takes effect. I want to keep my AW's as is without butchering the looks of them and so will register when it's ready in full. All I ask is to be left alone to enjoy my shooting range pleasures. Impala It only takes one to start a fight. The anti-gunners want a fight. They WILL NOT leave you alone. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:15:02 AM EDT
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Register?
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Posted: 8/7/2017 1:59:04 PM EDT
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They already had a bill to ban registered AWs.
Featureless. |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 11:12:02 AM EDT
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No I have not registered yet myself until the new NRA lawsuit is settled. Besides that I also heard you need to summit pics of each rifle in a certain way. I don't have that knowledge on how to do it so that is my main reason not to register yet. I was hoping the DOJ would come to there scences and determine not everyone is a computer wiz!!!. Perhaps the DPJ might offer classes in how to do this. Ha Ha.
Impala |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 11:23:23 AM EDT
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I don't have that knowledge on how to do it so that is my main reason not to register yet. I was hoping the DOJ would come to there scences and determine not everyone is a computer wiz!!!. Impala |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 9:44:57 PM EDT
[#13]
What is this registration you speak of?...
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Posted: 8/11/2017 2:17:03 AM EDT
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I have no fucks to give.
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Posted: 8/11/2017 8:00:16 PM EDT
[#15]
They can suck a fat one. Buttfucks.
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Posted: 8/11/2017 8:50:47 PM EDT
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Nope.
Though I understand why someone would. I registered some way back in 2000 because at the time there really was no viable workaround other than noncompliance. Never again. They will try to take those RAWs someday, my kids have instructions on what to do if/when I die, but I've got the feeling that they don't intend to wait that long before trying to take them. And Newscum will be the next gov and he will attempt to redo his original ban on all semi autos. It will go to the ballot under the guise of public safety and it will overwhelmingly pass. It may or may not be tossed by the courts, we will see. The problem is we WILL see. I need some vacation property. |
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Posted: 8/11/2017 11:31:32 PM EDT
[#17]
its funny...
the people I go shooting with.....mainly vote democrats. all of their thoughts... is..as long as I have mines....its fine. |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 3:16:43 AM EDT
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They can suck a fat one. Buttfucks. |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 5:36:05 PM EDT
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They can suck a fat one. Buttfucks. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 1:59:20 PM EDT
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"The National Rifle Assn. has filed a second lawsuit challenging California’s assault weapons restrictions, this time alleging that regulations developed by the state Department of Justice are too burdensome and go beyond the agency’s powers.
The NRA had previously filed a lawsuit against a ban on the sale of rifles with bullet buttons that allow detachment of an ammunition magazine, which was approved by the Legislature. The measure required people who owned guns with bullet buttons before the ban to register them with the state. The new lawsuit, filed Thursday in Fresno Superior Court, seeks to block the new regulations, arguing that new rules requiring registration of existing assault weapons “go far beyond” the allowed registration process, and “unlawfully expand the scope” of the state’s registration requirement. The lawsuit says the regulations require excessive personal information as a condition of registration, including where and how the firearm was acquired, and a requirement to provide the state DOJ with photographs of the firearm. “Individual owners of firearms deemed 'assault weapons' under the new law, including plaintiffs, and members and supporters of plaintiff [the California Rifle and Pistol Assn.] are irreparably harmed as a direct result of defendants’ adoption of these illegal regulations,” the lawsuit says." |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:51:26 PM EDT
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Registration = confiscation. You were seeing that happen when Kammy Harris was Atty Gen.
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Posted: 9/9/2017 2:08:55 PM EDT
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"The National Rifle Assn. has filed a second lawsuit challenging California’s assault weapons restrictions, this time alleging that regulations developed by the state Department of Justice are too burdensome and go beyond the agency’s powers. The NRA had previously filed a lawsuit against a ban on the sale of rifles with bullet buttons that allow detachment of an ammunition magazine, which was approved by the Legislature. The measure required people who owned guns with bullet buttons before the ban to register them with the state. The new lawsuit, filed Thursday in Fresno Superior Court, seeks to block the new regulations, arguing that new rules requiring registration of existing assault weapons “go far beyond” the allowed registration process, and “unlawfully expand the scope” of the state’s registration requirement. The lawsuit says the regulations require excessive personal information as a condition of registration, including where and how the firearm was acquired, and a requirement to provide the state DOJ with photographs of the firearm. “Individual owners of firearms deemed 'assault weapons' under the new law, including plaintiffs, and members and supporters of plaintiff [the California Rifle and Pistol Assn.] are irreparably harmed as a direct result of defendants’ adoption of these illegal regulations,” the lawsuit says." |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 8:17:36 PM EDT
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its funny... the people I go shooting with.....mainly vote democrats. all of their thoughts... is..as long as I have mines....its fine. |
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Posted: 9/12/2017 12:38:52 PM EDT
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Hey California! Looking to avoid Registration! You can now order our California compliant DFM™ on MidwayUSA and Optics planet!
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Posted: 9/12/2017 9:44:31 PM EDT
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Is there a featureless option for AR pistols ?
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Posted: 9/13/2017 1:54:34 AM EDT
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Is there a featureless option for AR pistols ? |
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Posted: 9/15/2017 9:17:56 AM EDT
[#27]
just picked up a patriot mag lock.
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Posted: 9/15/2017 4:35:35 PM EDT
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So...I'm confused. I purchased an AR lower some years ago right around the time that someone figured out that "Off list lowers" were legal. Over time I assembled the rifle with a collapsible stock, a flash hider, a pistol grip and some kind of mag-lock device (dont remember the brand, I think it's a "Prince 50") that fixes a 10 round magazine in place. I can only remove this mag-lock through the use of a set screw.
When I finished building the rifle several years ago, it was in full compliance with the law at that time. Is my rifle still legal? If not, what do I need to do in order to make it legal? Am I required to register it? Thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 9/15/2017 7:27:39 PM EDT
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You have two options.
First, register your rifle as a bullet button assault weapon. This doesn't mean it's a regular AW, it has to stay in its current configuration. Second, go featureless, meaning no flash hider, pistol grip, folding stock but you can have a detachable 10 round mag. Look around at the featureless stocks, muzzle brakes... some look ok, some look like crap. If you don't want to register (the only way to go) your rifle go featureless. Or don't register it or change anything and keep it the way you have it. Just don't get caught with the two halves together, separate them all the time you're not shooting it. |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 2:24:42 PM EDT
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Are M1A's required to be registered under this new BS?
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Posted: 9/16/2017 6:20:36 PM EDT
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Are M1A's required to be registered under this new BS? |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 7:06:24 PM EDT
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Regular M1A's are featureless as long as you have a brake and not a flash hider. No flash hider, no pistol grip, no collapsible stock, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are M1A's required to be registered under this new BS? |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 3:59:48 AM EDT
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So...I'm confused. I purchased an AR lower some years ago right around the time that someone figured out that "Off list lowers" were legal. Over time I assembled the rifle with a collapsible stock, a flash hider, a pistol grip and some kind of mag-lock device (dont remember the brand, I think it's a "Prince 50") that fixes a 10 round magazine in place. I can only remove this mag-lock through the use of a set screw. When I finished building the rifle several years ago, it was in full compliance with the law at that time. Is my rifle still legal? If not, what do I need to do in order to make it legal? Am I required to register it? Thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 4:34:08 PM EDT
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Not sure what you mean when you say the mag-lock with the use of a set screw? The locking device itself isn't as important as how the mags are released. If a simple tool is inserted into the mag release (something that can't be done without a "tool" as opposed to simple push of a finger on the button), that will require registration. The alternatives are going featureless or using a mag lock/release that requires disassembly of the action (currently approached as opening the action by pulling the rear pin, then releasing the mag) or a truly fixed 10 round or fewer mag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So...I'm confused. I purchased an AR lower some years ago right around the time that someone figured out that "Off list lowers" were legal. Over time I assembled the rifle with a collapsible stock, a flash hider, a pistol grip and some kind of mag-lock device (dont remember the brand, I think it's a "Prince 50") that fixes a 10 round magazine in place. I can only remove this mag-lock through the use of a set screw. When I finished building the rifle several years ago, it was in full compliance with the law at that time. Is my rifle still legal? If not, what do I need to do in order to make it legal? Am I required to register it? Thanks in advance. When I set it up this way a few years ago, it seemed to offer the best of both worlds: legal for CA, but easily converted back to normal configuration if I ever took the rifle to NV or AZ. I'm just not sure that this is a) still legal, and b) going to require me to register. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:56:28 AM EDT
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There are several maglocking devices that can be easily removed so don't know if there is an issue with a locked magazine like that (screw versus some of the other sorts). (Note that I don't know exactly how they define "fixed" or if they do but believe that if you must disassemble (their words - means open the action apparently) the action to release the mag and the lock, you should be OK.) It's not a "bullet button" so it doesn't require registration and can have the so-called "features." The issues to consider? Do you mind opening and loading from above without being able to remover and replace the magazine? The mag-locks will allow a mag to be dropped from an open rifle. There is also at least one feed device that will allow feed through the ejection port using sort of a stripper clip functionality. Thgose approaches might speed things up some. the alternative of "featureless" allows you to use a standard release but would require ypu to swap out several features and consider which approach to dealing with the grip/stock.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:38:10 PM EDT
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Next year all the suckers who register will have their evil assault weapons confiscated. Wait and see.
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Posted: 9/21/2017 12:49:07 PM EDT
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Next year all the suckers who register will have their evil assault weapons confiscated. Wait and see. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 1:01:30 PM EDT
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Were it to become an unconstitutional ban on semi-auto rifles and de facto confiscation, all they'd get from me is a bare lower receiver. Even then, I'd sell or even give it away to someone out-of-state before I'd surrender anything to a then-criminal Sacramento regime. I could also convert it into a manually-operated rifle.
Surrender or confiscate - no way! |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 2:21:54 PM EDT
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Next year all the suckers who register will have their evil assault weapons confiscated. Wait and see. I wonder how many 80% firearm serial numbers will get issued by the required date much less registered... |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 4:59:33 PM EDT
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I wonder how many 80% firearm serial numbers will get issued by the required date much less registered... |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 4:30:33 PM EDT
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When is the date? Can you still buy them (and the jigs) in CA? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder how many 80% firearm serial numbers will get issued by the required date much less registered... |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 8:16:01 PM EDT
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80% lowers are just a piece of metal, unless they are back to banning shovels. Jigs are always legal |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 9:26:37 PM EDT
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Of course, what I wanted to know is whether it is still legal to build an 80% into a fully functional lower receiver. |
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Posted: 9/23/2017 2:39:19 PM EDT
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Yes, but the "ghost gun" regs kick in sometime in 2018 and you must get a DOJ issued serial number (not your own #) engraved and they will be registered. And a background check will be done. It could be a fun project, albeit an expensive use of entertainment money. I like DIY projects. |
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Posted: 9/23/2017 6:49:11 PM EDT
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So...I'm confused. I purchased an AR lower some years ago right around the time that someone figured out that "Off list lowers" were legal. Over time I assembled the rifle with a collapsible stock, a flash hider, a pistol grip and some kind of mag-lock device (dont remember the brand, I think it's a "Prince 50") that fixes a 10 round magazine in place. I can only remove this mag-lock through the use of a set screw. When I finished building the rifle several years ago, it was in full compliance with the law at that time. Is my rifle still legal? If not, what do I need to do in order to make it legal? Am I required to register it? Thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 9/23/2017 6:51:57 PM EDT
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Sorry for the confusion. My current set up has the mag release button pinned in place with a set screw. Due to this, 10 round mag that is currently in the mag well can't be removed. Well, unless I find the tiny little allen wrench and unscrew the set screw. If I were to do that (which of course I would never do while in the state of CA), the mag release button would work normally. When I set it up this way a few years ago, it seemed to offer the best of both worlds: legal for CA, but easily converted back to normal configuration if I ever took the rifle to NV or AZ. I'm just not sure that this is a) still legal, and b) going to require me to register. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So...I'm confused. I purchased an AR lower some years ago right around the time that someone figured out that "Off list lowers" were legal. Over time I assembled the rifle with a collapsible stock, a flash hider, a pistol grip and some kind of mag-lock device (dont remember the brand, I think it's a "Prince 50") that fixes a 10 round magazine in place. I can only remove this mag-lock through the use of a set screw. When I finished building the rifle several years ago, it was in full compliance with the law at that time. Is my rifle still legal? If not, what do I need to do in order to make it legal? Am I required to register it? Thanks in advance. When I set it up this way a few years ago, it seemed to offer the best of both worlds: legal for CA, but easily converted back to normal configuration if I ever took the rifle to NV or AZ. I'm just not sure that this is a) still legal, and b) going to require me to register. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 7:06:35 PM EDT
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If the set screw is accessible from the outside, then it seems like it would fit more or less into the idea of a bullet button, in that a tool could be used to drop the magazine externally. Even if a screw is fussier than a "button." If the set screw is reached internally, that is, from the opened action, then you are probably ok although that seems to add the possibility of losing the screw or more manipulations than required. The other concern is speculative. If your set up is not one of the common "mag-locks" that is operated from the open action or a clear "featureless" build, then you might end up arguing that the configuration complies against a prosecutor who is unclear on the issue, depends on the vague laws, etc. It seems a risk that could be avoided to use a configuration that seems less effective if somewhat less expensive than the alternatives.
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