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Posted: 1/25/2006 8:25:48 PM EDT
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That is an incredibly stupid question. The answer is yes. You would be in SERIOUS violation of state laws. |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 8:38:38 PM EDT
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Ah, yes.
 You could however have 27 million high-cap magazines that you owned for the last five years, 87 uppers, 1200 tons of ammo and not a signal lower and you'd be legal. But buy one more magazine in Nevada and bring it over the line and you are so busted. 
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Posted: 1/25/2006 8:39:51 PM EDT
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 Hi Mr. DOJ!  Please do some reading before you touch your lowers. www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 9:16:04 PM EDT
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Not only would that be a felony, but many people with backgrounds in the legal or correctional systems have advised against even OWNING the parts dissassembled as it can be shown that you had intent to break the law.
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Posted: 1/25/2006 9:45:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2006 10:17:49 PM EDT
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isnt the configuration TRIG1100 wanted to build still "legal" as long as he fixed a legal 10 round magazine onto the lower?
or is he talking about building the rifle without the use of a fixed magazine kit? (which would be illegal) |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 10:48:54 PM EDT
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well since he says with all the nasty features and no ammo or magazines in his posession, I think it would be safe to assume he does not mean a fixed magazine build.
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Posted: 1/25/2006 11:16:34 PM EDT
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Hi Mr. DOJ!
Yes, that would be a stupid question. Don't do it. Know what? Don't even think about doing it. |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 7:43:39 AM EDT
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There is NO SUCH THING as a stupid question.
Questions are asked because people are either uninformed, ignorant, or lack the ability and patience to search out the information on their own, or don't comprehend the law as written. There are ACTS of stupidity. Which is what the OP would have been doing had he not asked his question. I would agree that no one should be buying one of the off list lowers unless they understand the law first. But for all you people who want to get as many of these off list lowers into CA hands as possible, you sure come off as a bunch of A**holes to newbies sometimes. |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 8:23:25 AM EDT
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I agree to some extent. However, if a 15 year old asked you how he could become a race car driver on his learning permit, would help him or tell him up front that it is a foolish idea?
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Posted: 1/26/2006 8:55:03 AM EDT
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www.quartermidgets.com/general/starting.html
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Posted: 1/26/2006 9:08:54 AM EDT
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I'm cool with uninformed, even ignorant sometimes, but lacking patience to search, that chaps my ass since there's a sticky and FAQ on both here and Calguns. In terms of comprehending the law, sure, legalise can look like pig Latin, heck, there was even the Harrott decision to clarify and add uniformity to the existing laws, but the main points are painfully obvious. A first post coming in with both guns blazing about illegal shit, that looks awfully suspect. I'm surprised there hasn't been another hi-cap thread and/or question yet. |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 9:34:23 AM EDT
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Despite all the stickies, both here and at Calguns - and I'm a firm believer in always reading those things - there have been LOTS of questions on both sites about doing things that are clearly not (yet) legal to do. Heck, there are even several people on both sites who have been posting long enough to know better still asking questions about what's legal and what's not, and what they can get away with. Sometimes I get irritated when people don't/won't spend the time to do their own research. But as we all know the gun laws, and not just in CA, can be a confusing morass. That's why we need to back each other up and either answer questions or point people to the answers. When possible I think it's a good idea to include links when answering questions. We need to make sure people are informed. Because all it might take is a few people doing the wrong thing, at the wrong time, in the wrong place, to bring the "wrath" of the anti gun legislaters down on ALL of us yet again. Maybe not everyone out there is the genius you are 
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Posted: 1/26/2006 9:45:17 AM EDT
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+1- Only stupid mistakes. 
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Posted: 1/26/2006 9:46:26 AM EDT
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Bob Ross says there are no mistakes, only happy accidents.  
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Posted: 1/26/2006 9:51:49 AM EDT
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That is thsoo thsilly...
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Posted: 1/26/2006 10:30:27 AM EDT
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agree %100
more often than not, they're trying to get validation for doing some shady stuff, ie. mags when in doubt, they just shouldn't do it
That's a distinct possible "unintended consequence" with all these lowers coming in now, in fact, that's one of my bigger worries.
I've been accused of a lot of things, but never a genius.  I do however, take the time to do research and read things 2-3 times, not kick the door down with guns blazing so to speak. If I've come across as being cocky, that was never my intent. |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 10:48:18 AM EDT
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IMO, that came across in the original post,... "If i were to complete them with all the nasty features before they are put on the list, keep them in my safe..." That seems to imply that he knows what he's doing is shady, as in "can I go ahead and build these illegal assault weapons as long as I keep them in my safe and don't take them out in public before they are put on the list?"
Exactly. |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 11:05:22 AM EDT
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Exactly, next he'll be asking if its OK to beat his wife as long as nobody know about it. 
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Posted: 1/26/2006 2:21:40 PM EDT
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Have yah ever noticed that almost all the time the answer to the "Can I do this --- legally?" question is "NO" or "Not only NO but Hell NO.!).. Usually from somebody that oughta or does know better. I don't mind them from newbs, but from guys that should know better?
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