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Link Posted: 4/6/2021 9:51:15 PM EDT
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The next election will be like all the others.  Republicans will be asked to chose the lesser of two bad choices.  DeSantis will not get any better on the Second Amendment.  He is a classic “talk and do nothing “ Republican.
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What do you want him to do?  The most important thing is him getting re-elected in 2022, to set the stage to run for President in 2024.

Link Posted: 4/7/2021 3:57:19 PM EDT
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Thanks so much for doing this.
Link Posted: 4/8/2021 7:47:23 PM EDT
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The most important thing is him getting re-elected

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That's how most politicians see it.....
Link Posted: 4/12/2021 9:38:05 PM EDT
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What do you want him to do?  The most important thing is him getting re-elected in 2022, to set the stage to run for President in 2024.

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Governor Greg Abbott would get my vote if it's head to head in 2024, he is doing Republican things on Guns and the Disastrous immigration policies of Biden,

NO WAY would I vote for Desantis, he did nothing to help us 2A wise during the State of Emergency declared last year during covid, he is not a 2A friend, NO VOTE,

Desantis is Rick Scott part2.
Link Posted: 4/13/2021 9:08:28 AM EDT
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Governor Greg Abbott would get my vote if it's head to head in 2024, he is doing Republican things on Guns and the Disastrous immigration policies of Biden,

NO WAY would I vote for Desantis, he did nothing to help us 2A wise during the State of Emergency declared last year during covid, he is not a 2A friend, NO VOTE,

Desantis is Rick Scott part2.
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Serious question: are you a single issue voter? If so I guess your postion makes sense.

I for one am not. I would say the below is my order, which is why DeSantis will have my vote unless something drastic changes.

1.) Protection of Life and family
2.) Personal choice for me and my family (school, health, etc)
3.) Protection of my 2A rights.

As someone who travels to TX quite frequently for work - Abbot locked his whole state down and forced face diapers on everyone. Lets not pretend he was about individual liberties.
Link Posted: 4/13/2021 7:15:14 PM EDT
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Serious question: are you a single issue voter? If so I guess your postion makes sense.

I for one am not. I would say the below is my order, which is why DeSantis will have my vote unless something drastic changes.

1.) Protection of Life and family
2.) Personal choice for me and my family (school, health, etc)
3.) Protection of my 2A rights.

As someone who travels to TX quite frequently for work - Abbot locked his whole state down and forced face diapers on everyone. Lets not pretend he was about individual liberties.
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Yes it makes sense not to vote for someone not advancing our second amendment rights. this is AR15.com and this is a thread about Desantis failure to pass even one pro gun bill With a SUPER majority in the Florida capitol, Fucking shameful FAIL,  When Greg Abbott says to Biden " Come and take it" it's much different than Desantis " Come and take it" Desantis is really like you can come and take them, I'm not sticking my neck out for some gun nutz rights, Abbott any day 365, 24-7.
Link Posted: 4/13/2021 8:30:00 PM EDT
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Yes it makes sense not to vote for someone not advancing our second amendment rights. this is AR15.com and this is a thread about Desantis failure to pass even one pro gun bill With a SUPER majority in the Florida capitol, Fucking shameful FAIL,  When Greg Abbott says to Biden " Come and take it" it's much different than Desantis " Come and take it" Desantis is really like you can come and take them, I'm not sticking my neck out for some gun nutz rights, Abbott any day 365, 24-7.
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Serious question: are you a single issue voter? If so I guess your postion makes sense.

I for one am not. I would say the below is my order, which is why DeSantis will have my vote unless something drastic changes.

1.) Protection of Life and family
2.) Personal choice for me and my family (school, health, etc)
3.) Protection of my 2A rights.

As someone who travels to TX quite frequently for work - Abbot locked his whole state down and forced face diapers on everyone. Lets not pretend he was about individual liberties.


Yes it makes sense not to vote for someone not advancing our second amendment rights. this is AR15.com and this is a thread about Desantis failure to pass even one pro gun bill With a SUPER majority in the Florida capitol, Fucking shameful FAIL,  When Greg Abbott says to Biden " Come and take it" it's much different than Desantis " Come and take it" Desantis is really like you can come and take them, I'm not sticking my neck out for some gun nutz rights, Abbott any day 365, 24-7.



Interesting take. And I'm asking this in a truthfully inquisitive way: your thoughts are that a guy who willingly shut down his state, told everyone that not only did they need to wear a cloth mask on their face but that they could also be fined for not doing so, and further more enforced restrictions for small business that effectively put hundreds of not thousands out of business is the right guy to lead a country, strictly because he has passed some small gun rights bills?

I don't feel that he cares about the personal freedoms and civil liberties of the populace, and his history on the 2nd Amendment appears to be quite isolated when it comes to conservative ideas. He has endorsed multiple Anti Life / anti freedom Candidates in the state of Texas (Sarah Davis for those that might care to look her up), endorsed a purely Socialist form of education that also threatened to remove parental choice in the state of Texas for early childhood education (Tx senate Bill 801), and has been a constant force for big government programs in that state of TX.

So I think the man has used the 2A position as a lightning rod to distract from the fact that he is in a similar mold to the Mitt Romney's of the world. The man is not a reliable choice for your freedom's in the future just based on his own track record
Link Posted: 4/13/2021 9:16:14 PM EDT
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Interesting take. And I'm asking this in a truthfully inquisitive way: your thoughts are that a guy who willingly shut down his state, told everyone that not only did they need to wear a cloth mask on their face but that they could also be fined for not doing so, and further more enforced restrictions for small business that effectively put hundreds of not thousands out of business is the right guy to lead a country, strictly because he has passed some small gun rights bills?

I don't feel that he cares about the personal freedoms and civil liberties of the populace, and his history on the 2nd Amendment appears to be quite isolated when it comes to conservative ideas. He has endorsed multiple Anti Life / anti freedom Candidates in the state of Texas (Sarah Davis for those that might care to look her up), endorsed a purely Socialist form of education that also threatened to remove parental choice in the state of Texas for early childhood education (Tx senate Bill 801), and has been a constant force for big government programs in that state of TX.

So I think the man has used the 2A position as a lightning rod to distract from the fact that he is in a similar mold to the Mitt Romney's of the world. The man is not a reliable choice for your freedom's in the future just based on his own track record
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SMALL GUN RIGHTS..lol , you mean constitutional carry, open carry and defying Unconstitutional Federal gun laws, that's not little that is what is expected from a Republican Governor, he is openly telling Biden to shove it, not like our 2A RINO Desantis , with a SUPER MAJORITY he can't pass one pro gun bill, Abbott for the 2A win, we have personally witnesses ONCE WE LOSE OUR RIGHT WE DON'T GET THEM BACK, NOT GOING TO VOTE TO LOSE MORE RIGHTS, Desantis did not repeal, USSR RED FLAG LAWS or over 21 to buy rifle, Rick Scott stabbed us in the back and Desantis could have undone and restored our rights but he FAILED to do it or anything pro gun, NO VOTE.
Link Posted: 4/14/2021 6:26:25 PM EDT
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If you're looking for a replacement for Trump, neither DeSantis or Abbot is your man. They are both career politicians. You need a man that doesn't take shit from anybody, doesn't take no for an answer, and doesn't give a shit what anybody thinks. These two fail all three requirements....
Link Posted: 4/14/2021 7:41:22 PM EDT
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SMALL GUN RIGHTS..lol , you mean constitutional carry, open carry and defying Unconstitutional Federal gun laws, that's not little that is what is expected from a Republican Governor, he is openly telling Biden to shove it, not like our 2A RINO Desantis , with a SUPER MAJORITY he can't pass one pro gun bill, Abbott for the 2A win, we have personally witnesses ONCE WE LOSE OUR RIGHT WE DON'T GET THEM BACK, NOT GOING TO VOTE TO LOSE MORE RIGHTS, Desantis did not repeal, USSR RED FLAG LAWS or over 21 to buy rifle, Rick Scott stabbed us in the back and Desantis could have undone and restored our rights but he FAILED to do it or anything pro gun, NO VOTE.
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Not sure where to start on this.

First, the legislature makes laws, not the executive.  Here in Florida, we have many RINOs in the state house and state senate as several posters have pointed out.  

Second the executive cannot repeal any legislation.  Civics 101, which you failed.

Finally, DeSantis has been very pro-RKBA.  He put 3 conservative judges on the state supreme court, so there is now a 6-1 conservative majority on that court.

He also signed pro-RKBA legislation to make it harder for outside money to get constitutional amendments on the ballot.  And he is working on further cleaning up the voting system here in Florida.  Think that isn't an RKBA issue?

Here is Florida, we have a big achilles heel regarding the RKBA (or any other rights).  Citizens can petition to get change the constitution via ballot initiative.  It ONLY takes 60% to pass.  That could be a disaster in a "bad" election year.  

So unfortunately, we are somewhat on defense right now in Florida.  However, the bigger picture cannot be lost.  Honest elections and school choice are arguably more important to the RKBA long-term than short-term improvements in the law.
Link Posted: 4/14/2021 9:04:39 PM EDT
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Not sure where to start on this.

First, the legislature makes laws, not the executive.  Here in Florida, we have many RINOs in the state house and state senate as several posters have pointed out.  

Second the executive cannot repeal any legislation.  Civics 101, which you failed.

Finally, DeSantis has been very pro-RKBA.  He put 3 conservative judges on the state supreme court, so there is now a 6-1 conservative majority on that court.

He also signed pro-RKBA legislation to make it harder for outside money to get constitutional amendments on the ballot.  And he is working on further cleaning up the voting system here in Florida.  Think that isn't an RKBA issue?

Here is Florida, we have a big achilles heel regarding the RKBA (or any other rights).  Citizens can petition to get change the constitution via ballot initiative.  It ONLY takes 60% to pass.  That could be a disaster in a "bad" election year.  

So unfortunately, we are somewhat on defense right now in Florida.  However, the bigger picture cannot be lost.  Honest elections and school choice are arguably more important to the RKBA long-term than short-term improvements in the law.
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This and many other Bills got no support from Desantis, he did a couple of Related things to claim he is pro gun, while dozens of other states have constitutional carry,
Desantis is a 2A RINO, during the state of Emergency in Florida last year when we did not know if gun stores could be closed without notice, Sick cops off the streets and criminals released because of Covid 19 in jails, DeSantis did nothing, left the 5 day wait to take home your legally purchased firearm during a STATE OF EMERGENCY in force, he turned his back on us, we are lucky Covid was not as bad as we thought it was going to be, but a true 2A leader would have made his top priority the safety of Florida residents and temporarily waved gun related laws to make it easier for law abiding Floridians to buy a gun and to carry it, during a time of heightened uncertainty  he did nothing pro gun as usual, the D in Desantis is his rating on Gun rights a D, with a super majority in the gunshine state he has accomplished very limited gun rights improvements, you might be satisfied with his weak accomplishments but I'm not, and I'm going to call him out on it, everywhere and every time someone asks or writes about him, Desantis  could be a Tom Brady of gun rights in Florida, But Desantis has no rings on his fingers.

HB 6003: Firearms
GENERAL BILL by Hill ; (CO-INTRODUCERS) Donalds ; McClain ; Sabatini

Firearms; Removes provisions authorizing seizure of firearms from persons in certain circumstances, prohibition on firearms ownership or possession until removal of firearm possession & firearm ownership disability, prohibition on persons younger than 21 years of age from purchasing firearms, certain exemptions from firearms purchase waiting period, ban on bump-fire stock, & statute authorizing risk protection orders.
Link Posted: 4/15/2021 8:14:46 PM EDT
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Governor Greg Abbott would get my vote if it's head to head in 2024, he is doing Republican things on Guns and the Disastrous immigration policies of Biden,

NO WAY would I vote for Desantis, he did nothing to help us 2A wise during the State of Emergency declared last year during covid, he is not a 2A friend, NO VOTE,

Desantis is Rick Scott part2.
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Ha, here in Texas, lots of conservatives don't like him, call him a spineless RINO and extol Desantis.

Grass is always greener!
Link Posted: 4/15/2021 9:10:44 PM EDT
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Ha, here in Texas, lots of conservatives don't like him, call him a spineless RINO and extol Desantis.

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I'd vote for either in the general election.  But I do think DeSantis is the stronger candidate, and he will pull Florida into the "R" column in 2024 if he gets the nomination.  

The one thing we have to be very careful of is that there aren't so many competitive MAGA candidates that they split the vote and allow a RINO like Haley to get the nomination in 2024.
Link Posted: 4/15/2021 9:59:44 PM EDT
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Bitch all you want about DeSantis for this and that but at the end of the day we could have ended up with Gillum.  Would I prefer some one who did more for the 2A. Damn skippy I would but in the big picture he hasn’t caused any harm. Gillum sure would have.

Dan
Link Posted: 4/16/2021 9:49:20 AM EDT
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No one here has said that Gillum was preferable to Gov. Ron.  I have three points to make about DeSantis.  The first is that he is damn weak on the Second Amendment.  The other is about his handling the ‘rona scamdemic.  He talks big, but usually leaves a back door open for the opposition.  He allowed local counties  and cities to ignore his big talk about mask rules, and other rules.  This has created mass confusion and a lot of turmoil.
Third, was his pushing through that absurd pay raise for government school propaganda instructors.  Teachers.
Yeah he will run again, and he has his sights set on the White House.  At best, he will always be the lesser or two bad choices.
Link Posted: 4/16/2021 6:07:50 PM EDT
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No one here has said that Gillum was preferable to Gov. Ron.  I have three points to make about DeSantis.  The first is that he is damn weak on the Second Amendment.  The other is about his handling the ‘rona scamdemic.  He talks big, but usually leaves a back door open for the opposition.  He allowed local counties  and cities to ignore his big talk about mask rules, and other rules.  This has created mass confusion and a lot of turmoil.
Third, was his pushing through that absurd pay raise for government school propaganda instructors.  Teachers.
Yeah he will run again, and he has his sights set on the White House.  At best, he will always be the lesser or two bad choices.
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Question: would you say that Trump was strong on the Second Amendment and on the Pandemic? How about allowing other political people in his own party to circumvent his own decrees?

I'm trying to figure out what litmus test is being used here.
Link Posted: 4/16/2021 6:52:58 PM EDT
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Trump isn’t Governor of Florida.  Pay attention
Link Posted: 4/16/2021 7:08:03 PM EDT
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Trump isn’t Governor of Florida.  Pay attention
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Nice....

If read above, the conversation has been about presidential candidates... I felt it pertinent to ask about the logical comparisons.

Edit: I'm removing the last comment. It was neither charitable nor called for
Link Posted: 4/17/2021 4:25:50 PM EDT
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Luis, keep it up. You doing good at your new job.
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