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Posted: 3/5/2018 9:10:55 PM EDT
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"So Republicans just said that they support taking 2nd Amendment rights away from all Floridians between 18 to 21"
Let's fight them in the House but the State Constitution has a Right to Bear Arms section: SECTION 8. Right to bear arms.— (a) The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law. We fight them at the State Supreme Court. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 9:17:13 PM EDT
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"So Republicans just said that they support taking 2nd Amendment rights away from all Floridians between 18 to 21" Let's fight them in the House but the State Constitution has a Right to Bear Arms section: SECTION 8. Right to bear arms. (a) The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law. We fight them at the State Supreme Court. Attorney General Pam Bondi (R) defended the State's position on the Ban on Open Carry and the SCOF said that public safety toom precedent over civil rights. Get ready for the let down. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 9:24:41 PM EDT
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The House is in session starting tomorrow at 10:30 AM - Until Completion.
Florida House Webpage of SB 7026. Amendments are being added for debate in the House. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 9:31:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2018 10:12:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/6/2018 12:07:33 AM EDT
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What is their rationale for a 3 day waiting period for each purchase of a rifle unless completing a hunter's course? Even if one already owns 20+ rifles?
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Posted: 3/6/2018 12:13:27 AM EDT
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Is the 3 day wait for private sales as well?
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Posted: 3/6/2018 12:20:53 AM EDT
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I guess it's going to be a bump stock confiscation ?
the text of the origional bump stock bill from the house and senate has this ,I don't know if it's in the fully passed senate bill (4) RELINQUISHMENT AND DESTRUCTION.—A person who owns or is 39 in possession of a bump-fire stock may arrange in advance to 40 relinquish the device to a law enforcement agency, as defined in 41 s. 934.02, or the Department of Law Enforcement or, if the bump- 42 fire stock is not relinquished, the person must destroy and 43 render inoperable the device. The law enforcement agency or the 44 department must destroy any relinquished or acquired bump-fire 45 stock within a reasonable time. This is scary because if they ban so called assault weapons will they do the same thing ? |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 12:32:34 AM EDT
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I'm meeting with a Republican campaign manager Wednesday that's a friend from many moons ago. I have deep pockets behind me and think I can pull this off. I want nothing more than to be put out there but something has to give. Why not?!
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Posted: 3/6/2018 1:03:27 AM EDT
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I think the NRA's sitting this one out. There's nothing on the NRA-ILA site since the Alert-Alert article on 3/1/18 about any action needed.
Silence. Florida doesn't even show up as having any issues on their map of the US. Where's Marion "300K" Hammer at now? |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 1:36:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/6/2018 3:27:58 AM EDT
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The language sucks. Basically, any trigger that may help to shoot faster (so any lighter weight trigger) "is" a bumpfire. Bent hammer spring makes trigger pull lighter.... bumpfire? How about a lighter buffer weight or adj gas block??? 3 gun triggers? National Match Triggers? All maybe banned as "evil bumpfire stocks".
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Posted: 3/6/2018 6:20:33 AM EDT
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I don’t see this passing in the house.
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Posted: 3/6/2018 7:42:29 AM EDT
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I don’t see this passing in the house. The Dems I understand because they love to expoit a tragedy, especially if they think they can get gun control out of it. It's the Republicans that piss me off time and time again (I switched to NPA years ago because of the spineless republicans we have now). They ignore the fact that school shootings are down since 1990, that Columbine happened during the AWB, and that there were several government and law enforcement failures that allowed this latest shooting to happen. If anyone actually believes that banning anything will keep crazy, demented, sociopathic people from killing groups of people then they are truely fools...and I don't think that most elected officials are; I think they have alterior motives. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 7:47:15 AM EDT
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14 kids lost their lives. 3 adults did too.
The victims very much died in vain. Ending gun free zones and allowing campus carry would fix this. Instead, the FL Republican Party in the Governor's seat and in the Senate have decided to violate our civil rights and address the failure of government by pushing more government. The program that is being pushed has a longer training program than the State requires for law enforcement. The program is more restrictive than the Federal Flight Deck Officer Program. Lastly, it is "voluntarily" in the idea that the school board must volunteer. That means the Leftist centers of education in Broward County and others will never volunteer to allow their teachers and staff to be armed. Florida got fucked. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 10:53:06 AM EDT
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Email I sent out....
My name is Miami_JBT, As an active and sworn 11-year member of law enforcement community in Florida. I took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States and of Florida. That means I swore to uphold all of the civil rights that we have. Freedom of speech, assembly, and religion. Rght to be secure from illegal search and seizure the right cannot accuse oneself in a court of law. Also the right to keep and bear arms. I own a "Bump Stock". I purchased it so I can enjoy my rights and freedoms and have done so at the range. It isn't a device that is used for crime. It is used for fun at the range. Never in my time of being a police officer did I ever look at violating the law, violating someone's civil rights, nor having my rights be violated. This bill goes above and beyond all of that. It strips due process from the citizenry, it violates Floridians' 2nd Amendment rights if they're under 21, and it makes me a felon for simply owning an item. I've never been in trouble in all of my life. I have lived my life with the belief that as long as I follow the law that my rights woukd be respected and not abused. My family fled Cuba to escape such an abuse of power and now we have the possibility of it occurring here. Me, being made a felon when at the same time I follow the law to the "T". I cannot in good conscience support such a bill and I have spoken against it this past week at the Capitol during the committee meetings. Gun Control never works. Never has and never will. Furthermore, as a Police Officer I am against the Marshal Program. It doesn't solve anything. End Gun Free Zones, allow Campus Carry by the law abiding with conceal carry permits. This program is a farce and boondoggle. Please vote no on SB 7026. Please don't make me, a law abiding, honest family man and police officer into a felon for simply exercising my Godgiven rights. Miami_JBT |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 11:21:12 AM EDT
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I am getting pissed no one is answering their phones at all at my State Senators office or my Representatives Office.
I was forced to send the following via email which will be completely ignored I am sure. I have been trying to reach you regarding SB7026. After reading what was passed by the Senate I am confounded as to how this bill was considered even remotely acceptable to the Republican party. It makes felons out of Floridians for possession of piece plastic whose action can be replicated with a loop of string without compensation. The language in the bill banning so-called "bump stocks" is so broad that any aftermarket triggers, trigger work or stocks that are deemed (with no standard) to be in violation of this law, making even more Floridians felons. It violates the constitutional rights of voting citizens under that age of 21 to be able to and possess a long arm for the defense of themselves and their homes. If for example my daughter or son after moving out of my home at 18 wanted to purchase any kind of rifle to store in their home for protection the bill will deny them that right until they reach the wholly arbitrary age of 21. The addition to the bill with regard to teacher carry is more truly a sop to try and appease your indignant base. It requires the school board to approve and volunteer, none of whom ever will do so and it continues to promulgate the dubious safety of "gun free zones", which history has shown us are completely useless. I am wholly and deeply disappointed in Senator Simpson and the rest of the Republican State Senators who voted for this bill and it is my fervent hope that their colleagues in the House will not follow suit. If you would like to call me and discuss this further please do so at any time. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 12:15:44 PM EDT
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My emails are being bounced back from the House. They have me fucking BLOCKED!
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Posted: 3/6/2018 12:28:06 PM EDT
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JBT...............what's going on in the session now?
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Posted: 3/6/2018 12:37:12 PM EDT
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I am getting pissed no one is answering their phones at all at my State Senators office or my Representatives Office. I was forced to send the following via email which will be completely ignored I am sure. Trump really did us a disservice at the state level by holding that meeting with the anti-gunners the other week. 
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Posted: 3/6/2018 1:36:58 PM EDT
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Not just Trump.................that sorry bald headed bastard in Tall. is the creator of the current mess......................Gut him in the senatorial seat he wants and then we've sent a message.
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Posted: 3/6/2018 1:39:02 PM EDT
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OUT OF STATE FIREMISSION FOR FL Email the Governor's Office to stop gun control
Email/Call elected officials and tell them that you have vacation property in FL that you will sell. That you were thinking of relocating a business to Florida and moving but won't because of this. That you have decided not to vacation in FL because of this. Etc.... Threaten the State's pocket book https://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/email-the-governor/ SB 7026 is the bill that is threatening our rights. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 1:53:53 PM EDT
[#24]
They bounced back all my emails for too many addressees.
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Posted: 3/6/2018 2:12:16 PM EDT
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They bounced back all my emails for too many addressees. Do you try to do a broadcast e-mail or was there a magic number of individual e-mails that tagged your e-mail or IP address? |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 2:58:03 PM EDT
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I just got done with 10 more (taking a break). I started from the bottom of the list from Florida Carry because I figured most people are starting form the top.
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Posted: 3/6/2018 3:06:15 PM EDT
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Email/Call elected officials and tell them that you have vacation property in FL that you will sell. That you were thinking of relocating a business to Florida and moving but won't because of this. That you have decided not to vacation in FL because of this. Etc.... Threaten the State's pocket book https://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/email-the-governor/ SB 7026 is the bill that is threatening our rights. It'll probably be as effective as spitting in the wind, but the money angle is what makes the world go round. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 3:40:25 PM EDT
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I think the NRA's sitting this one out. There's nothing on the NRA-ILA site since the Alert-Alert article on 3/1/18 about any action needed. Silence. Florida doesn't even show up as having any issues on their map of the US. Where's Marion "300K" Hammer at now? |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 3:43:35 PM EDT
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I was unaware that Slide Fire started selling the bump stock again. Hmmm...I'm thinking about buying one!
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Posted: 3/6/2018 3:55:01 PM EDT
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I was unaware that Slide Fire started selling the bump stock again. Hmmm...I'm thinking about buying one! ETA- I am not advocating anybody do anything illegal. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 4:08:09 PM EDT
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The brass at NRA are corrupted. I've suspected this for a long time. They are the "face of gun rights". More like a mask. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think the NRA's sitting this one out. There's nothing on the NRA-ILA site since the Alert-Alert article on 3/1/18 about any action needed. Silence. Florida doesn't even show up as having any issues on their map of the US. Where's Marion "300K" Hammer at now? |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 8:19:00 PM EDT
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did it pass?
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Posted: 3/6/2018 8:35:17 PM EDT
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did it pass? I believe that the bill has one more reading tomorrow and will be voted on afterwards. It's positively amazing how fast these bastards can move anti gun rights legislation in comparison to how open carry has been allowed to languish years and years only to be defeated by shell games and trickery. I'm in Palm Beach County where the anti gun legislators will be elected ad infinitum. I've been a strong Scott supporter; but I'm done with him regardless of who his opponent is in the Senatorial election. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 8:46:13 PM EDT
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Amen on the Scott issue!
I took the time to write and state in no uncertain terms that he has lost all support from any and all I know. We goddamn sure don't need his ilk in the Federal Senate..............hell, at least we always knew where old dried up Nelson stood. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 8:51:06 PM EDT
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Was at work and a post from the ar15.com facebook same up with this link: http://www.guns.com/2018/03/06/florida-senate-narrowly-passes-controversial-gun-bill/
I checked it out and was disappointed they passed it with the bump stock ban and wait time bs extended to most rifles. Now I'm seeing that it wasn't passed. Dafuq, guns.com was wrong? I read the bill just now and the amendments failed today. Glad but where are they getting their info from? |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 9:26:58 PM EDT
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3rd reading is scheduled for tomorrow. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 9:29:02 PM EDT
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House has adjourned for the night.
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Posted: 3/6/2018 9:31:56 PM EDT
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The Senate passed it and it moved to the house where amendments were proposed and defeated.
I believe it will be voted on tomorrow and the Quislings will pass it. BTW: never believe that "narrowly passed" bullshit, they know how many votes they need and how many they'll get from their people beforehand and let their extraneous legislators off the hook. It's theater to make it appear as if there was a struggle that was narrowly lost rather than a well orchestrated sellout. ETA: The numbers posted here look good, I pray there are enough noes tomorrows. |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 9:37:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHow do you think it will go tomorrow?
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Posted: 3/6/2018 9:48:39 PM EDT
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How do you think it will go tomorrow? Quote HistoryQuoted:
There is a civil war within the party with some House Members. But the majority of the Party supports gun control. My hope is enough GOP Reps see the political writing on the wall for their careers and vote against this. It will be nail biting |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 9:59:35 PM EDT
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My contacts in the Capitol say that Scott is pushing this hard through House Speaker Richard Corcoran and Senate President Joe Negron. The high command of the FL GOP are NE Country Club types. The base membership is not. There is a civil war within the party with some House Members. But the majority of the Party supports gun control. My hope is enough GOP Reps see the political writing on the wall for their careers and vote against this. It will be nail biting |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 10:06:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/6/2018 10:11:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you think it will go tomorrow? |
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Posted: 3/6/2018 10:30:43 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, both my state rep and senator are anti-2a democrats. I still sent the emails. I hate living in Leon county.
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Posted: 3/6/2018 11:35:29 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, both my state rep and senator are anti-2a democrats. I still sent the emails. I hate living in Leon county. 
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Posted: 3/6/2018 11:54:04 PM EDT
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Same in Palm Beach/Martin. We have Negron and Mast..............Roth so far been voting no
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Posted: 3/7/2018 5:35:00 AM EDT
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E-mails sent to the intended recipients.
Rep. Thomas Joseph Rooney (REP) Sen. Bill Nelson (DEM) Sen. Marco Antonio Rubio (REP) Gov. Richard Lynn Scott (REP) Rep. Matthew H. Caldwell (REP) Sen. Kathleen C. Passidomo (REP) With the exception of Nelson, I supported most of them, let's see if they support me. P.S. Outfuckingstanding Miami_JBT! |
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Posted: 3/7/2018 6:45:45 AM EDT
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Sent all my reps, Toledo, Young, Castor and Rubio as well as Scott messages. Knee jerk assholes the whole bunch.
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Posted: 3/7/2018 8:19:09 AM EDT
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I have e-mailed everyone on the Florida Carry list contained in their e-mail blast.
However, since most of those e-mail will fall of deaf ears, is there a concise list of State Reps who are sitting on the fence and who still may be coaxed into voting NO? I would like to spend this AM writing well thought out, specific e-mails to the Reps who may swing. Calling thier offices as well. Can anybody give me (us) a concise list of maybe 5 or 10 names to really hammer, that may change the predicted outcome? |
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Posted: 3/7/2018 9:16:13 AM EDT
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@M4A1Carbine please add this to your OP
TODAY IS THE DAY CALL EVERY MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA HOUSE This may seem stupid to many, but we now have multiple confirmations that groups from *outside* Florida are calling our representatives to push gun control. It does not matter if you get a person or voice mail, THEY ARE LISTENING. Simply state the following: OOPPOSE Senate Bill 7026. Do NOT support gun control. Do NOT raise the age limit on firearms purchases from 18 to 21. Do NOT support a bump stock ban. This is a long list, but every call we make ties up the lines so that gun control supporters can't get through. In order to ensure we get an even spread, if you last name starts with A-M, start at the top of the list, of your last name starts with N-Z, start at the bottom: Gayle B. Harrell (850) 717-5083 Thad Altman (850) 717-5052 Michael Grant (850) 717-5075 Scott Plakon (850) 717-5029 Brad Drake (850) 717-5005 Clay Ingram (850) 717-5001 Elizabeth W. Porter (850) 717-5010 Larry Metz (850) 717-5032 Tom Goodson (850) 717-5051 Jason T. Brodeur (850) 717-5028 Richard Corcoran (850) 717-5000 James "J.W." Grant (850) 717-5064 Larry Ahern (850) 717-5066 Ben Albritton (850) 717-5056 Shawn Harrison (850) 717-5063 Jim Boyd (850) 717-5071 Matt Caldwell (850) 717-5079 Bill Hager (850) 717-5089 George R. Moraitis, Jr. (850) 717-5093 Jeanette M. Nuñez (850) 717-5119 Carlos Trujillo (850) 717-5105 Michael Bileca (850) 717-5115 Jose R. Oliva (850) 717-5110 Charlie Stone (850) 717-5022 Halsey Beshears (850) 717-5007 W. Travis Cummings (850) 717-5018 David Santiago (850) 717-5027 Mike La Rosa (850) 717-5042 Cary Pigman (850) 717-5055 Jake Raburn (850) 717-5057 Manny Diaz, Jr. (850) 717-5103 Holly Raschein (850) 717-5120 Ross Spano (850) 717-5059 Kathleen M. Peters (850) 717-5069 Ray Wesley Rodrigues (850) 717-5076 Dane Eagle (850) 717-5077 Heather Fitzenhagen (850) 717-5078 MaryLynn "ML" Magar (850) 717-5082 Robert "Bob" Cortes (407) 262-7420 Jay Trumbull (850) 717-5006 Jay Fant (850) 717-5015 Jennifer Mae Sullivan (850) 717-5031 Blaise Ingoglia (850) 717-5035 Daniel Wright "Danny" Burgess, Jr. (850) 717-5038 Mike Miller (850) 717-5047 Rene "Coach P" Plasencia (850) 717-5050 Chris Sprowls (850) 717-5065 Chris Latvala (850) 717-5067 Julio Gonzalez (850) 717-5074 Bryan Avila (850) 717-5111 Colleen Burton (850) 717-5040 Paul Renner (850) 717-5024 Cyndi Stevenson (850) 717-5017 Jayer Williamson (850) 717-5003 Ralph E. Massullo, MD (850) 717-5034 Cord Byrd (850) 717-5011 Clay Yarborough (850) 717-5012 Bob Rommel (850) 717-5106 Byron Donalds (850) 717-5080 Erin Grall (850) 717-5054 Jason Fischer (850) 717-5016 Mel Ponder (850) 717-5004 Sam H. Killebrew (850) 717-5041 Frank White (850) 717-5002 Randy Fine (850) 717-5053 Jackie Toledo (850) 717-5060 Rick Roth (850) 717-5085 Bobby Payne (850) 717-5019 Charles Wesley "Chuck" Clemons, Sr. (850) 717-5021 Stan McClain (850) 717-5023 Joe Gruters (850) 717-5073 Thomas J. "Tom" Leek (850) 717-5025 Amber Mariano (850) 717-5036 Robert "Bobby O" Olszewski (850) 717-5044 Lawrence McClure (850) 717-5058 Daniel Perez (850) 717-5116 |
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