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Posted: 12/22/2018 2:08:52 PM EDT
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Finally made it home to pick up my C93 after waiting 2 months- finish on the furniture is ugly, but I already had replacements waiting for it. My clipped & pinned trigger housing doesnt fit. They used a very beefy shelf and the welds are pretty big on the sides, looks like that may be keeping the ears on the C&P housing from going all the way forward towards the mag well. I have a Hk93/94 S-F lower that I will put on it. Overall, for $600 I can't complain. Going to order some pro mags and a new lower. I have my flat for my cetme/g3 mashup showing up today too. Hk palooza for me. I’m going to order one of the pistols from apex and hit up harbor freight and get a tig and a mill, building roller locks is going to be expensive 
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Posted: 12/22/2018 4:17:21 PM EDT
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I received one from the second batch and am really impressed. It shot about 15 inches low at initial range session. Recently swapped out to correct lower and it’s one of favorites now.
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Posted: 12/22/2018 4:32:48 PM EDT
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I received one from the second batch and am really impressed. It shot about 15 inches low at initial range session. Recently swapped out to correct lower and it’s one of favorites now. https://imgur.com/a/uq2jyUp.jpg |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 5:54:51 PM EDT
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I'm sure he means a factory German SEF housing. The one it comes with is US made and looks silly.
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Posted: 12/22/2018 6:02:48 PM EDT
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I bought a Malaysian SUO lower off eBay and then had it clipped and pinned. Trigger pack drops right in.
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Posted: 12/22/2018 6:03:05 PM EDT
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Man I really want one of these. Besides Buds is Atlantic getting them?
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Posted: 12/22/2018 6:52:51 PM EDT
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Man I really want one of these. Besides Buds is Atlantic getting them? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 8:20:06 PM EDT
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Can you provide some info on the "correct" lower for HK tards such as myself Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I received one from the second batch and am really impressed. It shot about 15 inches low at initial range session. Recently swapped out to correct lower and it’s one of favorites now. https://imgur.com/a/uq2jyUp.jpg 
Single lower ($12) 
Four pack ($20) 
Slightly damaged, but already clipped for the semi-auto shelf ($45) |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 9:26:21 PM EDT
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I'm still learning about the platform, but I'm pretty sure these are the correct lowers for this rifle (German-made for a Malaysian contract and SUO-marked). Although, I think any HK lower would be correct for a generic 33/93 build. https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/h/k/hk33-grip-frame.jpg Single lower ($12) https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/1/5/15OCT14_HK33_GRIPX4_MID.jpg Four pack ($20) https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/h/k/hk_semi_auto_trigger_housing.jpg Slightly damaged, but already clipped for the semi-auto shelf ($45) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I received one from the second batch and am really impressed. It shot about 15 inches low at initial range session. Recently swapped out to correct lower and it’s one of favorites now. https://imgur.com/a/uq2jyUp.jpg https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/h/k/hk33-grip-frame.jpg Single lower ($12) https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/1/5/15OCT14_HK33_GRIPX4_MID.jpg Four pack ($20) https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/h/k/hk_semi_auto_trigger_housing.jpg Slightly damaged, but already clipped for the semi-auto shelf ($45) |
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Posted: 12/23/2018 1:00:17 AM EDT
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I'm still learning about the platform, but I'm pretty sure these are the correct lowers for this rifle (German-made for a Malaysian contract and SUO-marked). Although, I think any HK lower would be correct for a generic 33/93 build. https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/h/k/hk33-grip-frame.jpg Single lower ($12) https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/1/5/15OCT14_HK33_GRIPX4_MID.jpg Four pack ($20) https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/h/k/hk_semi_auto_trigger_housing.jpg Slightly damaged, but already clipped for the semi-auto shelf ($45) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I received one from the second batch and am really impressed. It shot about 15 inches low at initial range session. Recently swapped out to correct lower and it’s one of favorites now. https://imgur.com/a/uq2jyUp.jpg https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/h/k/hk33-grip-frame.jpg Single lower ($12) https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/1/5/15OCT14_HK33_GRIPX4_MID.jpg Four pack ($20) https://www.apexgunparts.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/h/k/hk_semi_auto_trigger_housing.jpg Slightly damaged, but already clipped for the semi-auto shelf ($45) If you look at the Malaysian ones that’s what they did. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 1:20:10 AM EDT
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Soooo... with the most minor of fitting I was able to fit one of my Apex trigger housings to the rifle but there is NO WAY IN HELL I'll be able to get that MP5 A3 on there...What gives?
 Attached FileEdit: Hammer time!  Used calipers and everything was in spec for fitment. Just needed some love juice. I think the bottom weld was slightly off kilter causing the back shelf of the housing to hang a little low causing extra dimensional height. Filed the shelf a hair, used a hammer, viola!
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Posted: 12/24/2018 3:21:19 AM EDT
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Soooo... with the most minor of fitting I was able to fit one of my Apex trigger housings to the rifle but there is NO WAY IN HELL I'll be able to get that MP5 A3 on there...What gives? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/268409/Screenshot_20181223-232155_png-783357.JPG Edit: Hammer time! Used calipers and everything was in spec for fitment. Just needed some love juice. I think the bottom weld was slightly off kilter causing the back shelf of the housing to hang a little low causing extra dimensional height. Filed the shelf a hair, used a hammer, viola!
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/268409/Screenshot_20181223-235705_png-783386.JPG |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 3:27:47 AM EDT
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That looks sweet with the F stock on there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Soooo... with the most minor of fitting I was able to fit one of my Apex trigger housings to the rifle but there is NO WAY IN HELL I'll be able to get that MP5 A3 on there...What gives? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/268409/Screenshot_20181223-232155_png-783357.JPG Edit: Hammer time! Used calipers and everything was in spec for fitment. Just needed some love juice. I think the bottom weld was slightly off kilter causing the back shelf of the housing to hang a little low causing extra dimensional height. Filed the shelf a hair, used a hammer, viola!
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/268409/Screenshot_20181223-235705_png-783386.JPG 
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Posted: 12/24/2018 11:41:43 AM EDT
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I had mine out this weekend. It was working very well with IMI M855 62 grain. It did not like the IMI M193 55 grain. I was having ejection issues where the shell failed to eject and it rammed back into the chamber along with a new round being jammed halfway in, like a double feed situation. I'll check the usual suspects like checking the extractor spring and looking at the ejector to see if it is high enough and if I may have to shim the trigger pack higher in the grip housing. I plan to replace it with an APEX housing so I may just put one of those on first and work from there. Any other suggestions? It just seems weird that it is only having issues with one type of ammo and not having issues with all ammo. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. The sights were just about 4" low which I got dialed in, and it groups as well as can be expected. Overall, I'm happy with the rifle as long as I can get the ejection issue fixed.
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Posted: 12/24/2018 12:19:33 PM EDT
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I bought the 4 pack and they all look decent. Started Dremeling one to fit. Then I ended up getting a metal frame for one of my PTR91s and took that plastic PTR frame and slapped it on instead.
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Posted: 12/24/2018 3:56:22 PM EDT
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I had mine out this weekend. It was working very well with IMI M855 62 grain. It did not like the IMI M193 55 grain. |
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Posted: 12/24/2018 4:56:37 PM EDT
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Cool vid showing one of the rebuilds in full auto:
 PTR - C93: Full Auto Test and Range Report: HK93 Clone Mine was supposed to arrive today, but FedEx decided to push delivery to Wednesday.
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Posted: 12/26/2018 6:06:51 PM EDT
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Cool vid showing one of the rebuilds in full auto:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJhuBafubgwMine was supposed to arrive today, but FedEx decided to push delivery to Wednesday. It's making me want to buy a second one of these. Such as awesome deal for a gun/parts kit that will disappear in the not too distant future. |
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Posted: 12/26/2018 6:16:00 PM EDT
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Damn. The Wolf makes that puppy sing! It's making me want to buy a second one of these. Such as awesome deal for a gun/parts kit that will disappear in the not too distant future. I think I'll just keep it mostly stock afterall... :) |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 2:53:16 AM EDT
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For those ditching the straight, S/F, ‘navy’ grips in lieu of the contoured S/E/F or S/O/U housing styles... anyone willing to pass their old S/F on for a good price? Mine’s a little banged up, and I’d love a like-new takeoff for my K3P!
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Posted: 12/28/2018 5:32:13 PM EDT
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I finally got to make one of these guys better for a buddy
How she came 
Doing the thing 
  How she left 
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Posted: 12/28/2018 5:36:37 PM EDT
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For those ditching the straight, S/F, ‘navy’ grips in lieu of the contoured S/E/F or S/O/U housing styles... anyone willing to pass their old S/F on for a good price? Mine’s a little banged up, and I’d love a like-new takeoff for my K3P! |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 5:37:57 PM EDT
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I finally got to make one of these guys better for a buddy How she came https://i.imgur.com/m2jBsjVh.jpg Doing the thing https://i.imgur.com/SvtTFKth.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PKFFVgVh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/txTXEgBh.jpg How she left https://i.imgur.com/GBltzNSh.jpg |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 5:52:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very nice! What's the tread pitch on the muzzle? I use to have an adapter for it for AAC cans Sold it with my old C93 long time ago Shoulda kept that thing, but that's how things go. Didnt figure I would be full blow HK rifle guy a few years later |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 8:10:58 PM EDT
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My order of contoured trigger housings came in today. MUCH better than the housing that comes on the rifle. Now to figure out how to put it on
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Posted: 12/28/2018 10:39:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever the wonky thread is on these guns. I use to have an adapter for it for AAC cans Sold it with my old C93 long time ago Shoulda kept that thing, but that's how things go. Didnt figure I would be full blow HK rifle guy a few years later |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 10:56:23 PM EDT
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I spent some time taking mine apart and inspecting it, and unnoticed a few things:
The carrier and locking piece numbers match, but that number doesn't match the number on the bolt. That seems kind of weird. I'm guessing that Century didn't build the original rifle off of a numbers-matching kit. The serial on the receiver doesn't match either of the numbers on the BCG, which understandable because this is built off of a previously serialized parts kit, but it is also indicative that none of these parts were reserialised to match after being rebuilt into a complete rifle. My recoil assembly can't be removed from the carrier. What's the deal with this protrusion on the back of my carrier:  Attached FileThe safety was reeeeeeaaaaaallllllyyyy tight, like, so tight I had to hammer it off of safe. It's loosening up, though, the more I'm playing with it. The stock is also really tight, but it is also loosening up. Serrated bolt carrier:  Attached FileRear sight has built-in windage adjustment screw:  Attached FileI already ordered a semiauto paddle mag release kit, a navy G3 lower (to be trimmed to fit), the four pack of contoured HK33 lowers, and a single 30 round promag. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 11:11:03 PM EDT
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The thing sticking out of the back of the carrier is the buffer. The Malaysian guns had buffered carriers and unbuffered stocks. German guns largely have unbuffered carriers and the buffers are in the stocks. You can use a buffered carrier in a buffered stock, but you can't use a unbuffered carrier in an unbuffered stock (for very long, at least).
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Posted: 12/28/2018 11:14:04 PM EDT
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The thing sticking out of the back of the carrier is the buffer. The Malaysian guns had buffered carriers and unbuffered stocks. German guns largely have unbuffered carriers and the buffers are in the stocks. You can use a buffered carrier in a buffered stock, but you can't use a unbuffered carrier in an unbuffered stock (for very long, at least). |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 11:49:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks! This means I have the widest possible stock compatibility/selection, then? |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 10:29:32 AM EDT
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Is buds expected to get any more?
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Posted: 12/29/2018 11:29:50 AM EDT
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Is buds expected to get any more? |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 12:12:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they were doing 800 according to early posts in the thread from PTR statements. No idea where they are in the run or if they've already delivered all of them. Best thing to do is sign up for the notification on Buds website in case they get another batch. |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 12:47:50 PM EDT
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I signed up after the first batch and have yet to recieve an email notification. I just happened to see a post here about the 2nd batch being available right before it sold out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I think they were doing 800 according to early posts in the thread from PTR statements. No idea where they are in the run or if they've already delivered all of them. Best thing to do is sign up for the notification on Buds website in case they get another batch. Quoted:
I finally got to make one of these guys better for a buddy How she came https://i.imgur.com/m2jBsjVh.jpg Doing the thing https://i.imgur.com/SvtTFKth.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PKFFVgVh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/txTXEgBh.jpg How she left https://i.imgur.com/GBltzNSh.jpg 
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Posted: 12/29/2018 2:29:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I signed up after the first batch and have yet to recieve an email notification. I just happened to see a post here about the 2nd batch being available right before it sold out. |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 3:02:37 PM EDT
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Well, I took mine out. Freezing my ass off. The 9CT ran like a raped ape. Binary is amazing on this platform and I'm pretty sure it catapulted the gun into my favorite firearm slot. I'm going to be burning through a lot more 9mm and need to make a sizeable order.
Unfortunately, the C93 didn't fair so hot. I looked at the stock it came with before leaving and thought I should grab it but didn't... so now I have to wait for another attempt. It would get through 2-3 rounds max then stove pipe like nobody's business. Not sure if over buffer from collapsible mp5 stock could be the culprit or if a grander issue with gas port. Could also be the ejector spring was shitted up nicely as I did not clean before range session. We'll see next outing after reverting to stock setup and going from there. Brass was flying everywhere when it did choose to eject.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 3:21:43 PM EDT
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Well, I took mine out. Freezing my ass off. The 9CT ran like a raped ape. Binary is amazing on this platform and I'm pretty sure it catapulted the gun into my favorite firearm slot. I'm going to be burning through a lot more 9mm and need to make a sizeable order. Unfortunately, the C93 didn't fair so hot. I looked at the stock it came with before leaving and thought I should grab it but didn't... so now I have to wait for another attempt. It would get through 2-3 rounds max then stove pipe like nobody's business. Not sure if over buffer from collapsible mp5 stock could be the culprit or if a grander issue with gas port. Could also be the ejector spring was shitted up nicely as I did not clean before range session. We'll see next outing after reverting to stock setup and going from there. Brass was flying everywhere when it did choose to eject. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/268409/Screenshot_20181229-130059_png-788994.JPG Also there is no gas port on these rifles, they are roller delayed blowback actions. |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 3:47:23 PM EDT
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I had a similar issue with mine with failures to eject. I shot something like 120rds of Wolf Gold 223 with a clipped and pinned SEF navy trigger housing first time out and had about 10-12 failures to eject and 3 live rounds mangled in the process. I ended up removing the extractor spring, thoroughly cleaning the extractor and the pocket where it rests in the bolt, and shaved some plastic off the trigger housing to fit better over the shelf welds. My extractor spring was noticeably bent as well but this could have happened during any number of the FTEs the first time out so I bent it back into shape and re-installed it. Next time out I shot about 120rds of both Federal 5.56 and Wolf Gold 223. That time I had no failures using both the original and clipped and pinned SEF trigger housing. I haven't shot the rifle since (too many new guns to occupy my time) but I've replaced the extractor spring with a new one in the mean time. Also there is no gas port on these rifles, they are roller delayed blowback actions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, I took mine out. Freezing my ass off. The 9CT ran like a raped ape. Binary is amazing on this platform and I'm pretty sure it catapulted the gun into my favorite firearm slot. I'm going to be burning through a lot more 9mm and need to make a sizeable order. Unfortunately, the C93 didn't fair so hot. I looked at the stock it came with before leaving and thought I should grab it but didn't... so now I have to wait for another attempt. It would get through 2-3 rounds max then stove pipe like nobody's business. Not sure if over buffer from collapsible mp5 stock could be the culprit or if a grander issue with gas port. Could also be the ejector spring was shitted up nicely as I did not clean before range session. We'll see next outing after reverting to stock setup and going from there. Brass was flying everywhere when it did choose to eject. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/268409/Screenshot_20181229-130059_png-788994.JPG Also there is no gas port on these rifles, they are roller delayed blowback actions.
After posting, my buddy took off but I threw another mag of 20 for curiosity sake. If I load one round at a time, then remove mag and fire the round, the case never gets caught. It may be the mag causing a feeding issue. I intend on taking a peek at the extractor spring either way. Thanks for the input from your experience. Edit: Is the charging handle slapping into the "stop" upon recoil supposed to be hard enough to cause this deformation?  Attached FileEdit 2: Extractor moves with finger pressure. I'd assume it should hold firmly in place to retain brass cartridge for proper ejection. So... my spring appears to be doing nothing at the moment and would suggest replacement necessary if that's the case... |
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Posted: 12/30/2018 7:09:41 AM EDT
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Correct, being able to move your extractor with a finger easily is a telltale sign of a very weak or bent extractor spring.
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Posted: 12/30/2018 3:13:02 PM EDT
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There in stock now. I just ordered one
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Posted: 12/30/2018 3:14:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/31/2018 3:11:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/31/2018 1:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWow...Guess I should've bought more of them...or all of them...
Mine must've been tested on a Monday. I think my PTR checklist has only one check. |
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Posted: 12/31/2018 2:00:23 PM EDT
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Century/PTR 93 |
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Posted: 12/31/2018 7:38:47 PM EDT
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I emailed PTR today.
They only had 800 receiver. No other in the future. So if you got one you got lucky, |
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Posted: 12/31/2018 9:47:59 PM EDT
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I emailed PTR today. They only had 800 receiver. No other in the future. So if you got one you got lucky, |
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Posted: 12/31/2018 10:20:36 PM EDT
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I wonder if there's anymore batches or if they've all already been sold off
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Posted: 12/31/2018 10:34:31 PM EDT
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I wonder if there's anymore batches or if they've all already been sold off |
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Posted: 1/1/2019 2:33:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's it? PTR should really think about putting these into their rifle lineup. The older Century C93's got a bad rap because they were finicky and some of the Vectors had problems as well along with the 1/12 barrel twist nobody wanted. |
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Posted: 1/1/2019 7:02:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sure if they found a bunch of dirt cheap HK33 parts they would. But that seems unlikely |
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