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Posted: 8/29/2010 1:36:24 PM EDT
http://www.dsarms.com/Mini-SA58-FAL-OSW-Rifle-Select-Fire-NFA-Registered-308Cal––-SA58OSWNFA/productinfo/SA58OSWNFA/

What is the effective range of this? I am looking for a rifle 24 inches and under. Also considering an SBR ak 47, sig 556 sbr etc. I want it to be short and powerful. I wonder if the powder would burn fully in an 11 inch barrel.

Anyone know if this would actually run good for defenseive use?
Link Posted: 8/29/2010 1:46:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2010 1:47:34 PM EDT by Dawg180]
Originally Posted By alfred10:
http://www.dsarms.com/Mini-SA58-FAL-OSW-Rifle-Select-Fire-NFA-Registered-308Cal––-SA58OSWNFA/productinfo/SA58OSWNFA/

What is the effective range of this? I am looking for a rifle 24 inches and under. Also considering an SBR ak 47, sig 556 sbr etc. I want it to be short and powerful. I wonder if the powder would burn fully in an 11 inch barrel.

Anyone know if this would actually run good for defenseive use?


The powder will not burn fully in a 11 inch barrel, it will be very loud and have a bright flash. The flash *might* be reduced with a SMith ENterprise Vortex flash hider, but any way you cut it the unburnt powder is wasted energy coming out of the muzzle. I would recommend at least a 16" barrel, if you need compact a folding stock will help for storage/transport.

If you want a really compact 308 the RFB is likely the way to go.

Isn't this you once-a-month survivalist question?
Link Posted: 8/29/2010 3:20:31 PM EDT
I have to ask...why? If you need something that compact buy a 5.56 weapon. Most countries that adopted the FAL stuck with the 21 inch barrel, even in the para version, for a reason...
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 10:34:01 AM EDT
I have a V51 with an 11" barrel and it is a flame thrower. My Para with the 16" is much less vicious. Have a YHM Phantom MB on it.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 10:44:29 AM EDT
Shortest barrel that I would use on a FAL is 18 inches.
Link Posted: 8/31/2010 10:47:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
If you want a really compact 308 the RFB is likely the way to go.

What he said...
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:04:28 AM EDT
If I was going to go the SBR route it would never be with a .308.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:00:07 PM EDT
So I should stay away from the .308 for an SBR? I want a max length of my rifle to be 23-24 inches. Should I go with a 7.62x39 or 5.56?
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 6:14:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By alfred10:
So I should stay away from the .308 for an SBR? I want a max length of my rifle to be 23-24 inches. Should I go with a 7.62x39 or 5.56?


I think you should go the 5.56 route.

.308 SBR is gonna be loud as hell. My 18 inch FAL is loud as hell.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 6:58:01 AM EDT
I have an 8.5" barreled FAL that I SBR'd. I wouldn't want to get hit with it at any range, despite the flash of unburnt powder at the muzzle. With the stock extended, it's about the same length as my RFB.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:26:22 AM EDT
Shortest barrel that I would even consider using on a FAL is 18 inches.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:47:52 PM EDT
24" is a tall order. Even my SBR AR15 with a 7.5" barrel was longer than that.

I think you need a 7.62x39mm Krink underfolder or sidefolder for the ultimate bullet mass/size ratio.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:34:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kuraki:
24" is a tall order. Even my SBR AR15 with a 7.5" barrel was longer than that.

I think you need a 7.62x39mm Krink underfolder or sidefolder for the ultimate bullet mass/size ratio.
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Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:54:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RDTCU:

Originally Posted By Kuraki:
24" is a tall order. Even my SBR AR15 with a 7.5" barrel was longer than that.

I think you need a 7.62x39mm Krink underfolder or sidefolder for the ultimate bullet mass/size ratio.
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http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:rbLcWJ7b5HEKQM:http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/ColoradoOsprey/rfb-18.jpg&t=1
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/32449-2/erika_RFB_1695.jpg


They look great. I'm still not on board until Kel Tec starts meeting demand and more individuals have 5 or 10k rounds through them. I don't want to beta test for $1800.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:58:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kuraki:

Originally Posted By RDTCU:

Originally Posted By Kuraki:
24" is a tall order. Even my SBR AR15 with a 7.5" barrel was longer than that.

I think you need a 7.62x39mm Krink underfolder or sidefolder for the ultimate bullet mass/size ratio.
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http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:rbLcWJ7b5HEKQM:http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/ColoradoOsprey/rfb-18.jpg&t=1
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/32449-2/erika_RFB_1695.jpg


They look great. I'm still not on board until Kel Tec starts meeting demand and more individuals have 5 or 10k rounds through them. I don't want to beta test for $1800.

I've got about 300 through mine, if that counts
it's in the #470 range, picked it up for $1400 +tax
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:14:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RDTCU:

Originally Posted By Kuraki:

Originally Posted By RDTCU:

Originally Posted By Kuraki:
24" is a tall order. Even my SBR AR15 with a 7.5" barrel was longer than that.

I think you need a 7.62x39mm Krink underfolder or sidefolder for the ultimate bullet mass/size ratio.
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http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:rbLcWJ7b5HEKQM:http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/ColoradoOsprey/rfb-18.jpg&t=1
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/32449-2/erika_RFB_1695.jpg


They look great. I'm still not on board until Kel Tec starts meeting demand and more individuals have 5 or 10k rounds through them. I don't want to beta test for $1800.

I've got about 300 through mine, if that counts
it's in the #470 range, picked it up for $1400 +tax

When I can find one in that price range I'll think harder about it
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