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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:28:26 PM EDT
I went to the range today, and zeroed the ACOG (TA01B),
that I had mounted on my FAL.
I mounted this optic using the LaRue Tactical QD mount,
and the DSA scope mount for the FAL.

The ammunition was South African surplus purchased from
Aim Surplus. The lot numbers were as pictured below.



All shooting was done at 100yds, from a bench for initial
zero.

The first group that I fired was just off the target and
measured 1-1/4" C to C. It is pictured below.



This group was way to the right, but elevation was almost
perfect. I then proceded to bring the POI left.

This next target shows that progression.



The group next to the orange dot was the last one I fired
before I switched targets, due to the fact that there were
so many holes I couldn't tell which were which in my spotting scope.

The largest group that I fired was 2" C to C, and the
smallest was 1" C to C.
That is an average of 1.5 MOA.

This I believe is proof enough that the FAL is a lot more
accurate than an average of 2-3 MOA that most claim.

The final target pictured here is my last group and some
other offhand shooting that I did after the initial zero was
done. The final group was the 2 rounds touching and the
one on the other side of the orange dot.



Those 3 rounds measure 1-1/4" C to C.
Not bolt-gun sniper grade accurate, but plenty good enough
for a battle rifle thrust into the Designated Marksman role.

You will notice however that one group I fired measures
2-1/2". That group was fired with FNM Portugese surplus.
This is normally very accurate ammunition. This lot however,
is not. I did not fire anymore of this ammunition after that group.

That being said,

The FAL is a very accurate and capable rifle.
I urge anyone looking for a battle rifle, to give the FAL some
serious consideration.

Sources,

www.dsarms.com
www.riflescopes.com
www.laruetactical.com
www.aimsurplus.com

Regards,

Scott
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 4:39:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 4:40:08 PM EDT by sovereign]
Were you wearing glasses?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 4:49:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sovereign:
Were you wearing glasses?



What is that supposed to mean ?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 5:29:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 5:30:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 5:30:51 PM EDT by 50cal]
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:11:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 50cal:
Pic of the rifle with the optic?



Here ya go.

Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:34:38 PM EDT
Outstanding report.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:51:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By scottfn308:

Originally Posted By 50cal:
Pic of the rifle with the optic?



Here ya go.

www.americanminuteman.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10014/normal_ACOG%20FAL%20002.jpg



thats a nice rig man! wish i could afford an acog, btw, that group will tighten right up with some black hills, have fun, joe
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 2:56:36 AM EDT

How high up is the cheek weld? Did you feel like you had your face completely off the buttstock when you shot it?

Looks good!
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 5:53:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By lippo:
How high up is the cheek weld? Did you feel like you had your face completely off the buttstock when you shot it?

Looks good!



I taped a GI washcloth to the stock when I was shooting it.
I have a cheekpiece on order from DSA. Should be good to go
then.

Regards,

Scott
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:17:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 6:17:38 AM EDT by Gary_P]
good groupings for a battle rifle.
lets face it, you would hit your target in a firefight.

Gary
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:24:37 AM EDT
Not only was that a well-done range report that is excellent shooting from both you and the rifle.

As far as any smart-allecky remarks on this thread, I don't understand them either.

BTW, Grenadier Precision is supposedly going to have their ACOG-cut Convertible Optics Platform out sometime this year. That would lower your ACOG to the proper level without need for a cheek piece.

Good job.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 9:23:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Thekatar:

As far as any smart-allecky remarks on this thread, I don't understand them either.




Are you referring to me?

Try this: Wear some shooting glasses (Oakleys, etc.) Shoulder the rifle with a non-death grip hold, i.e.: a normal relaxed shooting stance/position. Look through the ACOG so that you are seeing the full FOV- approx. 1.5" eye relief. Now, fire a full power .308 round and tell me the ACOG doesn't give you a big surprise. If the optic doesn't pop you in the glasses, then either you are doing something different from the above parameters to compensate for the short eye reilief of the TA-01B, or you are a definite anamoly when it comes to the 1.5" eye relief ACOGs on a .308. In either case, if it works for you, well, it works for you. Enjoy the new ACOG.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 3:47:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sovereign:

Originally Posted By Thekatar:

As far as any smart-allecky remarks on this thread, I don't understand them either.




Are you referring to me?

Try this: Wear some shooting glasses (Oakleys, etc.) Shoulder the rifle with a non-death grip hold, i.e.: a normal relaxed shooting stance/position. Look through the ACOG so that you are seeing the full FOV- approx. 1.5" eye relief. Now, fire a full power .308 round and tell me the ACOG doesn't give you a big surprise. If the optic doesn't pop you in the glasses, then either you are doing something different from the above parameters to compensate for the short eye reilief of the TA-01B, or you are a definite anamoly when it comes to the 1.5" eye relief ACOGs on a .308. In either case, if it works for you, well, it works for you. Enjoy the new ACOG.



To answer your question, yes I do wear shooting glasses.
But if you hold the rifle correctly, and tightly into your shoulder,
it will not hit you.

Regards,

Scott
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 4:20:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2006 4:22:05 PM EDT by magnum_99]
I took shit when I reported that my DSA STG-58a with TA-11c ACOG would do 2.5" groups at 200 yards.

Nice to see I don't have the only "most accurate FAL in the world" as it was called.


Link Posted: 1/30/2006 5:37:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By magnum_99:
I took shit when I reported that my DSA STG-58a with TA-11c ACOG would do 2.5" groups at 200 yards.

Nice to see I don't have the only "most accurate FAL in the world" as it was called.





Yeah, I have heard that bullshit as well.
That is until someone shoots it.

Link Posted: 1/30/2006 9:12:34 PM EDT
Nice shooting.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:25:30 PM EDT
I've got 4 FALs with TA01Bs on them (2 rifles, 1 carbine & 1 Para) and have NEVER gotten popped in the glasses due to recoil. I have plenty of safety margin.

If someone is getting popped in the eye due to recoil then operator error is happening, plain & simple.

BTW, with a ARMS #19S or TA51 mount you can move that ACOG back further than whats in that pic with that LaRue mount.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 8:38:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Talyn:
I've got 4 FALs with TA01Bs on them (2 rifles, 1 carbine & 1 Para) and have NEVER gotten popped in the glasses due to recoil. I have plenty of safety margin.

If someone is getting popped in the eye due to recoil then operator error is happening, plain & simple.

BTW, with a ARMS #19S or TA51 mount you can move that ACOG back further than whats in that pic with that LaRue mount.



I like the ACOG where it is withthe LaRue, and I did have a
ARMS #19S mount. I got rid of it because it moved on a AR.
I can imagine what it would do on a FAL.

My FOV and eye relief is good where the ACOG sits now,
so I guess I will just leave it where it is, perhaps move it back a
notch on the mount, as I have one left.

Scott
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 8:30:02 PM EDT
Scott,

Sorry to hear you had a problem with an ARMS #19S. So far for me with one on an AR & 3 on FALs they've been rock solid.
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