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Posted: 12/27/2005 3:16:44 PM EDT
Ok....
I was debating between a ACOG for my M4 or a FAL. I have decided on a DSA FAL.
I am leaning towards a carbine, because the 21" barrel seems wayyyyyyyyyyyy too long after shooting my bushy for a while.
Besides for the long range increased accuracy with the 21" barrel, can I get a little feedback on your opinion?

thx in advance.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 3:59:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 1:29:03 AM EDT by XM8750]
I've got a 16" version from DSA and I am absolutely smitten with it. It kicks a$$. I am so impressed with it I have convinced the wife to let me get a full size version. You won't regret either length weapon. It just depends on your needs or wants.

Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:11:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 4:26:41 PM EDT
I had a 21" model. With the muzzle device, it did seem like a 5-foot broom stick. I went with an 18" model, best of both worlds- good balance and not much velocity loss.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 6:09:26 PM EDT
I like the 17.35" barrel (shortest FN Para model barrel length). My Para would be ungodly nose-heavy if it had a 21" barrel.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 6:28:25 PM EDT
I built my first one with a 21" barrel, and then built a couple 17.3" carbines. Then a friend liked the carbine's so much, he brought me his full length to get cutdown to 17.3" carbine and I went and cut down my 21" at the same time.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 10:00:00 PM EDT
I have a 16" para and a 21" standard, and the full size just languishes in the safe now.
Link Posted: 12/27/2005 11:02:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2005 11:03:11 PM EDT by Maddogkiller]
18" PARA carbine.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 5:40:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 7:48:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:

Originally Posted By Lon_Moer:
I built my first one with a 21" barrel, and then built a couple 17.3" carbines. Then a friend liked the carbine's so much, he brought me his full length to get cutdown to 17.3" carbine and I went and cut down my 21" at the same time.



Lon:

What did you do to re regulate the sights?


I didn't change the gas system length, just shortened the barrels and opened up the gas ports.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 7:54:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:23:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Maddogkiller:
18" PARA carbine.




Yup - that's as good as it gets, IMO - after building a couple of full lengths and carbines, my next build will be an 18"....



- georgestrings
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:46:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:

Maybe that was it. I had a 16" that consistently shot 2" groups all a foot low at 100 yards. I had to use an Izzy rear site and file the front sight to get on target. It was so far off that I thought the barrel was canted. It wasn't.



That's typical for a shorter FAL. The round gets out of the barrell quite a bit sooner with 5" less length, and the rifle hasn't recoiled as much,putting the shot quite a bit lower than intended.Run into the same thing with handguns and wildly different loads, like a light .38 in a .357, .44 Special in a Magnum, etc.

When I had my 16" FAL, using the standard sights, I think I had to run the rear up to the 400 meter mark to get on at 100. Also had to put an Izzy sight on it from DSA and fixed the problem.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:39:34 PM EDT

That's typical for a shorter FAL. The round gets out of the barrell quite a bit sooner with 5" less length, and the rifle hasn't recoiled as much,putting the shot quite a bit lower than intended.


Hmmm... Are you sure? Isn't it a matter of geometry? The shorter sight radius means the sight height should be different?

G
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:46:17 PM EDT
The 18/17.35" barrel FAL's are very nice handling rifles. I don't mind the 21, but the 17.35 is really nice.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:47:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By glock23carry:

That's typical for a shorter FAL. The round gets out of the barrell quite a bit sooner with 5" less length, and the rifle hasn't recoiled as much,putting the shot quite a bit lower than intended.


Hmmm... Are you sure? Isn't it a matter of geometry? The shorter sight radius means the sight height should be different?

G




Nope - the sight radius remains the same, typically... bishopm14's explaination is pretty much on the mark, IMO...



- georgestrings
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:47:12 AM EDT
Maybe I'm the odd one out here,,

I wanted the max velocity/power the round is capable of,

, so I got the longest barrel I could. 24"

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:46:23 AM EDT
I had to use a shorter front sight post for the 18" FAL as well.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 9:36:29 PM EDT
I have a DSA STG58 carbine and it is a fabulous firearm for the $$$. Built like a tank, reasonably accurate, utterly reliable with all kinds of ammo. I like the shorter barrel for offhand shooting. Now if I couuld only get the DSA triger smoothed out..................
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