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Posted: 9/17/2017 11:24:21 PM EDT
After seeing this from Sage Dynamics, it makes you want to question your sbrs 
Top is 14.5 w/Sandman K Bottom is 11.5 w/Sandman S |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:33:19 AM EDT
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I've been saying shorter can, longer barrel for ten years. Its not my fault 8" cans on 10.5s were in fashion.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:40:54 AM EDT
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14.5's are just about perfect...shame about NFA though.
I like 11.5's if I'm going the SBR/pistol route. With that said, anything under 14.5 is damn loud. Hell of an argument to be made for the longer bbl / shorter can setup, especially with the extra weight in the worst part of the rifle. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 3:53:12 AM EDT
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14.5's are just about perfect...shame about NFA though. I like 11.5's if I'm going the SBR/pistol route. With that said, anything under 14.5 is damn loud. Hell of an argument to be made for the longer bbl / shorter can setup, especially with the extra weight in the worst part of the rifle. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:22:00 AM EDT
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I've been saying shorter can, longer barrel for ten years. Its not my fault 8" cans on 10.5s were in fashion. But I've thought .30 cans on 5.56 guns is a ridiculous premise to begin with. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:34:11 AM EDT
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I have an 11.5" and a KAC CQB transferring now. Should be perfect.
My 17" with M4S was widely misunderstood haha. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:44:06 AM EDT
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I'm a fan of the mini sized cans on 5.56 for most carbines with barrels up to at ~16". They all seem relatively loud with either mini or "full size" cans to my ears. Might as well keep the weight and length down. That's why my mini-4 is my favorite 5.56 can. And sound meters may say otherwise, just to me it seems about the same usually and I realize that it depends on which full size cans you compare to as well.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:20:37 AM EDT
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You need earpro to comfortably or safely shoot suppressed 5.56 autoloaders. Period, full stop. In an open snowy field it's still loud. Indoors it's plain uncomfortable.
But if you have to let off a couple mags, a mini can will keep your ears from bleeding. That's basically what I ask. My M4S made a 17" rifle sound like a .22 pistol. It was too loud for unprotected ears but if you happened to pop a few off you wouldn't have a ringing in your ears. And it handled like an unsuppressed gun. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:40:39 PM EDT
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I prefer a 10.5" with a short, light, quiet can. Just because someone wants a short, light can doesn't mean they have to compromise on sound - but it may mean a compromise on thread-on vs. QD.
A small thread-on 5.56 can should be quieter than a small QD 7.62 can. 10.5" + Spartan 3 FTW |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 4:42:35 PM EDT
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^^^ Yep, the Spartan 3 is awesome. It's a little longer than some mini cans but it's pretty light, which kind of makes it a wash. I use one on a 10.5" barrel, love it too.
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:42:39 PM EDT
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I guess weight distribution is the biggest issue here
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:06:37 AM EDT
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AAC Mini-4 + 14.5" barrel = awesome.
Admittedly, I use it on an 11.5" barrel more often, but I'm wearing earpro anyway so the extra noise isn't so bad. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:51:42 PM EDT
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They'll both fuck your ears up
I sometimes question why I even suppress 5.56 but the reduced noise and no flash are better than no reduced noise or flash
300blk, 22lr, and 9mm are excellent suppressed. |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 7:18:36 PM EDT
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I have an 11.5" and a KAC CQB transferring now. Should be perfect. My 17" with M4S was widely misunderstood haha. |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 7:25:35 PM EDT
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If not for the NFA, I'd probably do that, but I'm not paying $200 for a 14.5".
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Posted: 9/29/2017 7:38:00 PM EDT
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Looks like a good pair to me.
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Posted: 10/3/2017 12:00:34 AM EDT
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I have an 11.5" and a KAC CQB transferring now. Should be perfect. My 17" with M4S was widely misunderstood haha. Here's a pic with my rifle test fitting a CQB. 
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Posted: 10/3/2017 12:59:11 AM EDT
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I still prefer minis on 10.5 & 11.5 barrels. I have 2 mini4s and a spartan. None are exactly hearing safe but they take the bite out of 10.5" 556.
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Posted: 10/3/2017 1:14:29 AM EDT
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10.3" Mk18 and 556SD is my backup HD (night / primary day) weapon and primary training stick. I have a suppressed 8" Noveske 300BLK as my primary HD (night) weapon.
A longer weapon with a small can is still a longer weapon when the can is off. With a shorter weapon, you have choices in length. 
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Posted: 10/3/2017 8:56:53 AM EDT
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I'm hoping to bridge the gap some with my F1 suppressor. it will be 7" long but I'm going to run a 1.5" OTB mount on my 14.5" upper so it should only add ~ 5.5" to the length.
I'd like to do a dedicated mini can down the road though. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 11:41:16 PM EDT
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It's pretty low on my priority list but, I eventually want to get the Knights 556 CQB Suppressor as well to run on my Mod 1 SR15 Carbine. I already have the 7.62 CQB for my SR25 and have plenty of standard size 556 cans so, figured I get something different that I can actually run on my 14.5/16" rifles and have it not feel like a musket. Here's a pic with my rifle test fitting a CQB. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/168966/14-5-Mod-1-CQB-173406.jpg 
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Posted: 10/9/2017 3:02:14 PM EDT
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I run a SOCOM mini on a 10.3. The whole point of having the SBR was to have a short, fast handling system, and IMHO running a full size can defeats the purpose. I started out with a Specwar 556. I still needed hearing protection and the 10.3/can was longer than a 16" and front heavy. Switching to a mini fixed that.
The mini does an adequate job of reducing the blast and concussion of shooting a SBR inside a building or car and is still shorter than an 14.5 M4 w/no can. Anyone who has had a teammate fire off a round or 10 from a shorty inside will know what I'm talking about. Team training with suppressors is best team training. The Specwar is now on my 12.5 bambi killing upper where weight/handling are secondary concerns to dB levels. I don't run a suppressor at all on my 14.5. My .02 is to run the shortest can on the shortest barrel possible in 5.56 if you want the benefits of having a SBR. If you are looking for the quietest set up then 5.56 is not the answer. |
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Posted: 10/9/2017 4:07:14 PM EDT
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I prefer a 10.5" with a short, light, quiet can. Just because someone wants a short, light can doesn't mean they have to compromise on sound - but it may mean a compromise on thread-on vs. QD. A small thread-on 5.56 can should be quieter than a small QD 7.62 can. 10.5" + Spartan 3 FTW I do want a Spartan to do a pin and weld on a 10.5" to bring it over 16". Here's that 11.2oz, 6" Omega, with 5.56 end can DT on an 11.5" 5.56. 
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Posted: 10/9/2017 4:15:09 PM EDT
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What about an 11.5" with a specwar K?
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Posted: 10/9/2017 4:18:41 PM EDT
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12.5" bbl with a M42k is where its at!
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Posted: 10/20/2017 10:55:14 PM EDT
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I currently have a Silencerco Specwar 30 on my 11.5 AR, and it is slightly front end heavy... So I'm getting a Saker K to shorten and lighten it.
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Posted: 10/21/2017 4:15:33 PM EDT
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I've got an AAC Mini-4 that I use on 10.5 and 14.5 inch barrels.
To my ear behind the gun the difference in sound isn't that noticeable. Both are comfortable to shoot a few rounds without ears on outside (yes, I know...still not hearing safe). I get a bit of flash out the end of the suppressor on the 10.5 but its not too bad. For me, the whole point of cans on 5.56 rifles is to take the edge off if they have to be shot without ear protection. The Mini-4 (and other short cans) do just that without a huge weight and length increase. My 10.5 with Mini-4 is shorter than an unsuppressed 14.5 but with a nice decrease in sound. I'm not sure I'll ever buy a full size 5.56 suppressor. |
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Posted: 10/21/2017 5:26:07 PM EDT
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Ive contemplated getting a mini can...but Im not sure yet.
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Posted: 10/21/2017 8:23:57 PM EDT
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Can't believe I haven't posted here.
11.5" for some velocity, mini can to take the edge off  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/22/2017 5:41:10 AM EDT
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Ive contemplated getting a mini can...but Im not sure yet. |
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Posted: 10/22/2017 1:35:47 PM EDT
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Not sure if kidding. Did you read the overwhelming majority of posts in this string? It's not even on topic anymore. It's about how users have come to the conclusion that mini cans are better regardless of barrel length. I wish I read more posts like this before I bought my full size.... I bought a mini later and like a lot of people, I prefer it on everything.
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Posted: 11/2/2017 2:12:19 PM EDT
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It's pretty low on my priority list but, I eventually want to get the Knights 556 CQB Suppressor as well to run on my Mod 1 SR15 Carbine. I already have the 7.62 CQB for my SR25 and have plenty of standard size 556 cans so, figured I get something different that I can actually run on my 14.5/16" rifles and have it not feel like a musket. Here's a pic with my rifle test fitting a CQB. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/168966/14-5-Mod-1-CQB-173406.jpg EDIT: Now I'm back to thinking the other way. Definitely stopping in to see today to be sure. |
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Posted: 11/2/2017 8:50:05 PM EDT
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This picture makes me think I messed up. I decided on the 11.5" plus full size option vs 14.5" and a shorty. I have a Mod CQB MLOK and what I thought was a 5.56 QDC in NFA jail but that can looks like the one I bought. I remember thinking it was much smaller than my full size 7.62 QDC but it must just be the 5.56 vs 7.62 thing. I think I need to double check now. EDIT: Now I'm back to thinking the other way. Definitely stopping in to see today to be sure. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 5:12:41 PM EDT
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I don’t have much experience with suppressors so I’m gonna ask you or anyone else that wants to opine for an opinion. I have a Griffin Recce 5 in jail that I plan on pairing with a 12.5” bbl. That seems like a good setup since it’s in the middle of the road for both barrel and can. |
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Posted: 11/5/2017 11:27:33 PM EDT
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11.5" works for me. Form1 on a Griffin taper mount gives me options, if I'm outdoors.
The can is 8" and weighs about a pound.
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:10:39 PM EDT
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11.5" works for me. Form1 on a Griffin taper mount gives me options, if I'm outdoors. The can is 8" and weighs about a pound.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/262514/A7ECCA2E-94C5-4F0B-9EE5-A11C97732A36-354439.jpg |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 11:48:37 PM EDT
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https://scontent-dft4-2.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/21568538_1936562509944631_1902726217853829120_n.jpg After seeing this from Sage Dynamics, it makes you want to question your sbrs
Top is 14.5 w/Sandman K Bottom is 11.5 w/Sandman S Not really, I have been using MK18 (10.3 BBL) with 6 inch can for years |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 12:57:49 AM EDT
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How are the PWS Mod 2's? Thinking about grabbing one.
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Posted: 11/10/2017 2:18:51 PM EDT
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my experience .... in order of quietest to loudest
14" middy with AAC M42000 16" middy with a YHM Phantom 30cal 11.5" carbine with an Elite Iron Delta (super underrated can but HEAVY) 10.5" carbine with a Griffin M4SD2 12.5 carbine with a AAC SR5 why I posted this .... I don't know My quietest but not apples to apples is my 7.62x39 ar running subs through the YHM Phantom, now that one is fun. But the "factory" subs are spendy, spendy !!! ETA - as for the 14.5 couldn't you just have the mount pinned/welded to make it non SBR ??? |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 7:23:50 PM EDT
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my experience .... in order of quietest to loudest 14" middy with AAC M42000 16" middy with a YHM Phantom 30cal 11.5" carbine with an Elite Iron Delta (super underrated can but HEAVY) 10.5" carbine with a Griffin M4SD2 12.5 carbine with a AAC SR5 why I posted this .... I don't know My quietest but not apples to apples is my 7.62x39 ar running subs through the YHM Phantom, now that one is fun. But the "factory" subs are spendy, spendy !!! ETA - as for the 14.5 couldn't you just have the mount pinned/welded to make it non SBR ??? |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 4:48:49 PM EDT
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I’ve had all the barrel lengths. 14.5 + Mini is my current choice.
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Posted: 11/12/2017 9:24:43 PM EDT
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I’ve had all the barrel lengths. 14.5 + Mini is my current choice. https://i.imgur.com/0lFrArR.jpg |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 10:00:10 PM EDT
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I run a Griffin RECCE 5 MOD3 takes the bite out of the sound. But even tyen on a short barrel it's still loud.
I also have and this is more of a full size can I want to try out. With the shorter barrel on my sbr. It will attach to the weapon using the same muzzle attachment. It is made out of Stainless steel abd TITANIUM. It's diameter is 1.5 vs the RECCE 5 MOD3 1.47 RECCE 6.2 in. ALPHA 7.6 in. long so there is some differences between the two cans. A Griffin Alpha which is kind of a multi caliber can in my opinion. It's rated up to a 300 win mag is user svs but I can change out the end cap to a .22 cal It's Rated for the following min barrel lengths MINIMUM BARREL LENGTH 556 7.5" MINIMUM BARREL LENGTH 300BLK 8" MINIMUM BARREL LENGTH 762 NATO 12.5" MINIMUM BARREL LENGTH MAGNUM 22" I want to run the Silencerco HYBRID next to the Griffin RECCE 5 MOD 3 NEXT and see exactly how much of a difference there is. I bought the HYBRID also so when I'm shooting and somebody I'm shooting with does not have a suppressor to shoot with or hunt with. I can set him up to hunt with a suppressor no matter what caliber he's using. Plus if I ever have yo send one of my suppressors in for service or to be fixed. Yhe HYBRID is my backup for what ever caliber including handguns |
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