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Posted: 10/12/2017 4:59:00 AM EDT
I'm looking for any reviews on the B&T GHM9 before I place the order. I "believe" these are fairly new to our market and was hoping for review by an actual owner.
I have a few other B&T products that I've been very happy with. Thanks in advance! |
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Anyone? I'd be interested in hearing as well.
IMO this is B&Ts answer to the MPX and Scorpion. The P26 was a limited run so I assume this is their "meet a price point" mass production gun. The APC9 is a top tier price point that most buyers won't go to and the Kh9 was a limited production run. So I would assume B&T needed a workhorse for the average buyer. I haven't seen one yet but on the outside it appears to be a marrying of a Kh9 Upper and APC9 lower. I'm certain there's more to it than that though. The one detractor that the GHM9 has IMO, is it appears to accept the same stock as KH9, TP9, and P26. There's no SB Tactical brace mass produced for it yet that I know of and that hurts it with the average buyer IMO. With the APC9, you could order it with a brace from most places. It doesn't matter to me bc I'd SBR it but the average firearms buyer isn't going to venture into the NFA hassle. All I've seen brace option wise, is funny looking adaptor from Atlantic that personally, I'd never buy plus it's out of stock currently. IMO these guns are useless as pistols, so the buyer either is SBRing or buying a brace. Quality wise you can't go wrong with B&T. I'd buy it any day ahead of MPX, CZ, or roller lock clone. That's just me though. |
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Mine GHM9 is layaway and I'll get it I. The next week or
Two of all goes as planned. Even comes with the fast loader. I'll give my thoughts once I do more than just enjoy conjugal visit finger banging it. |
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Got mine yesterday and shot it today.
Fit and Finish : Can't go wrong with SWISS made firearms! Well made! How she shoots: Recoil impulse was very pleasant and controllable. Definitely need to be SBR'd or Braced. Sights: OK, polymer type, have to open and close manually front and back. Red dot definitely. Muzzle device: Trilug with removable end for direct suppressor mounting! Magazine: Plastic, like the ETS mags, and interchangeable with other B&T firearms. Extras: Sling and mag loader (which actually helps since the mag has sharp edges), only 1 mag though. Overall: I like it and planning on SBRing it, in the meantime Atlantic firearms has a mounting hardware to add a brace and folding mechanism that I may try out to get me by until the stamps arrive. I plan to get the P26 next and them maybe an APC 9/45. Anything specific let me know. |
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I have every B&T 9mm model except the GHM9 and I've come to the conclusion that B&T supplies OEM parts for HK for a reason. They produce a Swiss work of art as much as they produce a firearm.
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Got mine yesterday and shot it today. Fit and Finish : Can't go wrong with SWISS made firearms! Well made! How she shoots: Recoil impulse was very pleasant and controllable. Definitely need to be SBR'd or Braced. Sights: OK, polymer type, have to open and close manually front and back. Red dot definitely. Muzzle device: Trilug with removable end for direct suppressor mounting! Magazine: Plastic, like the ETS mags, and interchangeable with other B&T firearms. Extras: Sling and mag loader (which actually helps since the mag has sharp edges), only 1 mag though. Overall: I like it and planning on SBRing it, in the meantime Atlantic firearms has a mounting hardware to add a brace and folding mechanism that I may try out to get me by until the stamps arrive. I plan to get the P26 next and them maybe an APC 9/45. Anything specific let me know. View Quote |
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Glad to hear you're pleased with yours. Still probably a week out from picking mine up. I'm in the same boat hoping for a decent brace until the SBR route runs its course. I have the APC9 and I'm head over heels in love with it. I have the SB Tactical brace on it. I have an extra laying around and been trying to resist the APC223. They've been testing an APC308 and the APC300 is coming. I have to have the collapsible stick for the APC but haven't gotten over the price on it. Dakota Tactical is supposed to come out with a brace solution for the GHM9 soon. Wondering if it'll be better than the Atlantic. Gotta say, I like B&T products better than my FN Scar17S and the two 16S models I've had in the past. The USW is tempting. I have a Sphinx SDP Subcompact (2) actually) and it's my favorite pistol so the USW should be the tits too.
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Glad to hear you're pleased with yours. Still probably a week out from picking mine up. I'm in the same boat hoping for a decent brace until the SBR route runs its course. I have the APC9 and I'm head over heels in love with it. I have the SB Tactical brace on it. I have an extra laying around and been trying to resist the APC223. They've been testing an APC308 and the APC300 is coming. I have to have the collapsible stick for the APC but haven't gotten over the price on it. Dakota Tactical is supposed to come out with a brace solution for the GHM9 soon. Wondering if it'll be better than the Atlantic. Gotta say, I like B&T products better than my FN Scar17S and the two 16S models I've had in the past. The USW is tempting. I have a Sphinx SDP Subcompact (2) actually) and it's my favorite pistol so the USW should be the tits too. View Quote |
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You won't regret the P26! Swiss quality for a little over 1k in platform that's a limited production run was a no brainer for me. It felt light and handy until I got the TP9, but I love them all equally. I've been bitten by the B&T subgun bug bad! Maybe we should start a support group...lol
I just put an RMR on the P26 and I love it that way, just wanted it KISS (I have Micros on the rest). The open sights aren't anything to write home about but I knew that before I got it. Much like the APC9, I'd consider them "emergency sights" and nothing I'd consider running as stand alone. A threaded muzzle is a bonus that you don't get on the other 9mm B&Ts. I'm saving up for suppressors now, but the APC45 is tempting but the $100 magazines and proprietary 3 lug give me pause. |
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You won't regret the P26! Swiss quality for a little over 1k in platform that's a limited production run was a no brainer for me. It felt light and handy until I got the TP9, but I love them all equally. I've been bitten by the B&T subgun bug bad! Maybe we should start a support group...lol I just put an RMR on the P26 and I love it that way, just wanted it KISS (I have Micros on the rest). The open sights aren't anything to write home about but I knew that before I got it. Much like the APC9, I'd consider them "emergency sights" and nothing I'd consider running as stand alone. A threaded muzzle is a bonus that you don't get on the other 9mm B&Ts. I'm saving up for suppressors now, but the APC45 is tempting but the $100 magazines and proprietary 3 lug give me pause. View Quote |
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The P26 that MAC did a review on really helped get the word out. It was insanely quiet. I had an original Tec9 when they came out and it ran but when I took it apart and saw the pot metal/sheet metal parts I dropped it like a bad habit. B&T took that design and did it right! Curious to see what other subguns from the 70s-90s they pick up and rework the Swiss way. We need to have a B&T subforum or at least a Swiss forum other than Sig/Swiss Arms. I'd enjoy getting them all together at a shoot also. Have a friend who has an TP9 SBR'd and suppressed and it is one sweet ride. He and i shot a Steyr SPP i had long ago and we both wished it had an easier ability to stock and suppress. Maybe B&T will redesign some other cool subs like the S&W M76.
Nice score on the P26. |
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Nice collection! ...+1 on the need for a B&T forum. Whatever subgun B&T comes out with next I'll be down to get it. Waiting for GandR Tactical get a shipment of TP9 suppressors in and begin the waiting process.
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https://i.imgur.com/cfiRMd0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wOYL4OI.jpg Finally received my GHM9 and I am not disappointed. A few items are just a little different on the GHM9. The safety levers are a little wider and beefy, especially on the left side. The cocking handle sits just a tiny bit different, nothing bad at all just seat depth is a tiny amount different. Can't wait to SBR and in the mean time use a brace. The B&T handle pictured is not mounted and will not be mounted until the SBR is approved. I just laid it there to get a mental picture. Might get some Griffin Armament micro sights forcitnin the future as well as a red dot. View Quote |
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Not sure yet. The one from Dakota Tactical looks like it may be the one but SB Tactical make great stuff and their customer support is as good as it gets. Neither out right now so we'll see.
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I'm in the same boat, waiting to see what the braces look like. SB Tactical's brace is supposed to be out in a couple more months, Dakota Tactical posted this "top secret" photo on their Instagram of their supposed folding brace.
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I'm in the same boat, waiting to see what the braces look like. SB Tactical's brace is supposed to be out in a couple more months, Dakota Tactical posted this "top secret" photo on their Instagram of their supposed folding brace. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/59839/IMG_1063-359339.JPG View Quote https://techsmithmfg.com/shop?olsPage=products/bt-tailhook-ready-brace-complete-no-tailhook&olsFocus=false |
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I didn't realize anyone had anything out there yet besides the weird adaptor Atlantic was offering that used an AR buffer tube as a brace platform. Thanks for posting.
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Yes, thanks for posting. That is a chunk o' bucks for what looks like the way it should be done. So what, $300+ all together for that and the tail hook? Hats off to them for being first out with a proper solution. Can't blame them for their price but ouch. I may have to wait and see options and prices once a couple others come out with theirs. Almost the same price to just but the real stock and SBR instead of bracing it.
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Agreed for that price, I'll wait to see what else comes out, but I think if all the options are $300+, I'll go to the Form 1 route.
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I'm more of a buy once cry once type of guy, that's why I'm going SBR route.
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Anyone shoot theirs with hollow points or flat nose? One of the reviews I saw said theirs wouldn’t feed either. Was flawless with normal ball though.
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Just returned from the range with my B&T APC9 and my new GHM9. I only brought Winchester White Box 115 grain and American Eagle 147 grain Truncated/flat nose ball. The APC ate it all and asked for seconds but the GHM9 sadly would not feed the flat nose 147 ammo. It would end up misfed with the nose up pressed between the chamber and bolt every time. I found that if I slowly rode the bolt on that ammo it sometimes loaded into the chamber. It'll contact B&T and see what their answer is to the problem. Im curious is a JHP like the Hornady American Handgunner will load properly because of its rounded form. I suspect it might. Still, the GHM9 was flawless with ball ammo and I can't wait to get a nice brace and eventually SBR. I'm still not surprised that the APC9 is still my favorite but the GHM is going to be fun as well.
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Just returned from the range with my B&T APC9 and my new GHM9. I only brought Winchester White Box 115 grain and American Eagle 147 grain Truncated/flat nose ball. The APC ate it all and asked for seconds but the GHM9 sadly would not feed the flat nose 147 ammo. It would end up misfed with the nose up pressed between the chamber and bolt every time. I found that if I slowly rode the bolt on that ammo it sometimes loaded into the chamber. It'll contact B&T and see what their answer is to the problem. Im curious is a JHP like the Hornady American Handgunner will load properly because of its rounded form. I suspect it might. Still, the GHM9 was flawless with ball ammo and I can't wait to get a nice brace and eventually SBR. I'm still not surprised that the APC9 is still my favorite but the GHM is going to be fun as well. View Quote |
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That’s really dissapointing. Was hoping it was just the rifle the guy had that he was doing a review with. Looks like I’ll hold off on it if it has trouble feeding HPs too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just returned from the range with my B&T APC9 and my new GHM9. I only brought Winchester White Box 115 grain and American Eagle 147 grain Truncated/flat nose ball. The APC ate it all and asked for seconds but the GHM9 sadly would not feed the flat nose 147 ammo. It would end up misfed with the nose up pressed between the chamber and bolt every time. I found that if I slowly rode the bolt on that ammo it sometimes loaded into the chamber. It'll contact B&T and see what their answer is to the problem. Im curious is a JHP like the Hornady American Handgunner will load properly because of its rounded form. I suspect it might. Still, the GHM9 was flawless with ball ammo and I can't wait to get a nice brace and eventually SBR. I'm still not surprised that the APC9 is still my favorite but the GHM is going to be fun as well. |
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Quoted:It’s by design. European cops and swat that use 9mm cannot use hollow points, therefore the guns are designed to feed ball. View Quote 1) The Apc9 feeds flat nose 147 and hollow points. 2) B&T text, "The APC9 is first choice, not only for normal police duty, but also for SWAT units". 3) There is no full auto version of the Ghm9, it's semi only. 4) B&T text, "The GHM9 is a perfect and inexpensive semi-automatic carbine for dynamic shooting as well as just for plinking". My impression is the Ghm9 is a consumer oriented, entry level alternative to the Apc9, a Scorpion competitor, and they dropped the ball by not ensuring it works well with 147 and HPs. On a side note, all the extra length at the rear of the Ghm9 receiver makes for a comparably LONG length of pull using their standard stock. |
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I'm having the same problem with my KH9 (not feeding flat point 147 Grain)
Does anyone know if the GHM9 and KH9 barrels are interchangeable? interface looks basically the same (Although the GHM barrel is longer) |
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That's hard to believe for lots of reasons: 1) The Apc9 feeds flat nose 147 and hollow points. 2) B&T text, "The APC9 is first choice, not only for normal police duty, but also for SWAT units". 3) There is no full auto version of the Ghm9, it's semi only. 4) B&T text, "The GHM9 is a perfect and inexpensive semi-automatic carbine for dynamic shooting as well as just for plinking". My impression is the Ghm9 is a consumer oriented, entry level alternative to the Apc9, a Scorpion competitor, and they dropped the ball by not ensuring it works well with 147 and HPs. On a side note, all the extra length at the rear of the Ghm9 receiver makes for a comparably LONG length of pull using their standard stock. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:It’s by design. European cops and swat that use 9mm cannot use hollow points, therefore the guns are designed to feed ball. 1) The Apc9 feeds flat nose 147 and hollow points. 2) B&T text, "The APC9 is first choice, not only for normal police duty, but also for SWAT units". 3) There is no full auto version of the Ghm9, it's semi only. 4) B&T text, "The GHM9 is a perfect and inexpensive semi-automatic carbine for dynamic shooting as well as just for plinking". My impression is the Ghm9 is a consumer oriented, entry level alternative to the Apc9, a Scorpion competitor, and they dropped the ball by not ensuring it works well with 147 and HPs. On a side note, all the extra length at the rear of the Ghm9 receiver makes for a comparably LONG length of pull using their standard stock. |
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Posted by another member in another thread on the APC9:
There are some confirmed reports of the GHM9 not being able to cycle hollow points and flat nosed ammo. B&T is working on a fix that will include a new feed ramp that will be user replaceable. |
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Hollow point and Flat nose ammo was never a factor in my decision to buy ANY of the B&T firearms, I have other sub guns that that can do home defense duty if needed. Hell, if I hear a bump in the night my handgun would be first up anyway!
At least B&T is trying to work a fix for this issue!. |
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It's a non issue to me personally as well, I don't plan on getting a GHM9 only because it would be redundant for me at this point but that's the only reason. I don't shoot a lot of JHP very often to begin with but my APC9 and P26 eat anything I put in them. I do want to try JHP in my Kh9 and TP9 after hearing of this, but I want to wait until my USW gets here
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GHM9 sadly would not feed the flat nose 147 ammo... It'll contact B&T and see what their answer is to the problem. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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https://i.imgur.com/GjoKQfJ.jpg Finally received my GHM9 and I am not disappointed. A few items are just a little different on the GHM9. The safety levers are a little wider and beefy, especially on the left side. The cocking handle sits just a tiny bit different, nothing bad at all just seat depth is a tiny amount different. Can't wait to SBR and in the mean time use a brace. The B&T handle pictured is not mounted and will not be mounted until the SBR is approved. I just laid it there to get a mental picture. Might get some Griffin Armament micro sights forcitnin the future as well as a red dot. View Quote |
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Th APC9 is the workhorse and GHM9 is B&T's answer to to compete with the CZ Scorpion. I own 5 9mm B&Ts, I don't own the GHM9 only because I already had a P26. The are solid guns all the way around, there's a reason they are OEM suppliers for HK. I have yet to have an issue or a hiccup with my APC9 it eats whatever I feed it. I'm currently saving for suppressors so I can't comment on shooting then suppressed....yet
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Th APC9 is the workhorse and GHM9 is B&T's answer to to compete with the CZ Scorpion. I own 5 9mm B&Ts, I don't own the GHM9 only because I already had a P26. The are solid guns all the way around, there's a reason they are OEM suppliers for HK. I have yet to have an issue or a hiccup with my APC9 it eats whatever I feed it. I'm currently saving for suppressors so I can't comment on shooting then suppressed....yet View Quote |
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I've never handled the GHM9 or inspected one, the APC9 has an advanced buffer system, I don't know if that totally explains the price point difference or if the APC9 requires more intricate manufacturing processes...not stating just speculating. Military Arms Channel (MAC) has a great review of the GHM9 on YouTube
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Is there a reason the GHM9 is significantly cheaper? And is there any differences in weight or length. What drew me to the Apc9 is reading about how smooth and precise the action is as well as a great trigger, 3 lug mounting coming stock, and the controls. Since the mpx and the mp5 clones arent that much cheaper the apc9 seem like the better choice, is there any quality loss for the ghm9 View Quote I think people get all caught up on little quirks like "mine don't shoot hollow points", "there's no brace out for it", "for the price you think you'd get....". Like they say opinions are like "ass h@!$" everyone's got one! Buy one now, file your form 1 to SBR and own a very nice sub-gun! My 2cents. |
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In regards to the "low price", don't be fooled. I got the P26 for $1k just because of the limited production quantity status of it. I wasn't expecting much and I was absolutely blown away by when a disassembled it, I couldn't believe it was $1k gun, I honestly don't know how they made any profit on it. Aside from the sights, ( it's intended to run with a red dot anyway) I felt like I stole it.
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In regards to the "low price", don't be fooled. I got the P26 for $1k just because of the limited production quantity status of it. I wasn't expecting much and I was absolutely blown away by when a disassembled it, I couldn't believe it was $1k gun, I honestly don't know how they made any profit on it. Aside from the sights, ( it's intended to run with a red dot anyway) I felt like I stole it. View Quote |
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lol....I guess, may satisfaction with my P26 is already well known.
I'm very interested to see what comes of the compact model GHM9. I'd be all over that if its priced similar to the full size GHM9. B&T has found my weakness for subguns and is exploiting it. |
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lol....I guess, may satisfaction with my P26 is already well known. I'm very interested to see what comes of the compact model GHM9. I'd be all over that if its priced similar to the full size GHM9. B&T has found my weakness for subguns and is exploiting it. View Quote |
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@goloud what happened to the TFB article on the GHM9 compact? There was some good information in that piece.
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@goloud what happened to the TFB article on the GHM9 compact? There was some good information in that piece. View Quote @michealj it’s live again. |
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